| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan 18:32 - Nov 29 with 7095 views | stainrods_elbow |
'We’ve done lots of travelling this week, but I don't want to use that as excuse. It’s probably part of the explanation when you come back at four o'clock in the night between Wednesday and Thursday, and you have to travel again for four hours.'
QED! Again!
It's a funny way to talk about not using something as an excuse then presenting it, in detail, as an excuse - sorry, 'explanation'!
If I weren't a Francophile and a hater of Republican America, I might call JS a cheese-eating surrender monkey.
It's clear that it's now thought acceptable in Champ football to incorporate reference to a two-day turnaround for an away game as a factor in a flaccid defeat.
Not to me it isn't.
Why even turn up if that's the attitude coming down from the top?
I'd like to hear from some of the fantastic fans who went today. Aren't they feeling at least a little bit cheated? I live in Ireland and watched on a stream, so apparently that doesn't count as being a supporter/having a view according to some, but, unfortunately for them, I have one anyway.
In two words, (to which I'd append two fingers) - ça pue!
PS Since when does it take 4 hours to drive 120m from HQ to Norwich? Tw*t! [Post edited 29 Nov 18:49]
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| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 19:53 - Dec 1 with 1849 views | stainrods_elbow |
| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 18:57 - Dec 1 by Northernr |
“I know I'm supposed by some to be some kind of freak for asking for honesty and not being treated like a mug by the senior staff of my club…”
You were fine with it on Friday. |
You've lost me, sorry! | |
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| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 19:57 - Dec 1 with 1845 views | TK1 |
| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 17:30 - Dec 1 by stainrods_elbow |
Dave Sexton
Tommy Docherty
Terry Venables
Gerry Francis (phase 1)
Ian Holloway (phase 1)
Jim Magilton |
Jim Magilton is the last QPR manager you liked. A manager who was in charge for 24 games in 2009, of which he won 9, lost six. 37%.
What was it that he did that so charmed you? Was it losing 1-5 at home to Boro and then 1-3 away at Watford the next game? (Not much travel between those two games)? What in his managerial career marks him out for you? |  | | |
| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 21:29 - Dec 1 with 1733 views | Northernr |
| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 19:53 - Dec 1 by stainrods_elbow |
You've lost me, sorry! |
"though I'm a bit surprised by Furlong's departure, the club statement reads well enough to me (while, because of course, not telling us anything about the reasons), and he doesn't sound too unhappy about it" |  | | |
| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 21:35 - Dec 1 with 1714 views | bosh67 |
| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 22:15 - Nov 29 by Benny_the_Ball |
Yes, but that's because he started with the same players. They were physically and mentally fatigued. That's on the head coach. |
They're professional footballers. They're meant to be able to do this. The teams we are playing are more or less in the same boat and they seem to be able to do a 3 game week. I go back to times when we played 3 times a week on churned mud with one sub. It's also on the players to say, I'm not sure I can do 90 gaffer. But, they should be able to play 3 times a week. That's the job. It's hardly a mad surprise on them. |  |
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| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 21:35 - Dec 1 with 1713 views | Northernr |
| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 19:57 - Dec 1 by TK1 |
Jim Magilton is the last QPR manager you liked. A manager who was in charge for 24 games in 2009, of which he won 9, lost six. 37%.
What was it that he did that so charmed you? Was it losing 1-5 at home to Boro and then 1-3 away at Watford the next game? (Not much travel between those two games)? What in his managerial career marks him out for you? |
Had a fcking insanely talented squad as well, relative to what people like Warburton, Holloway, Cifuentes have had to work with.
Helguson up front with Akos Buzsaky, Wayne Routledge and Adel Taarabt behind. Ale Faurlin behind that. Cover provided by the likes of Rowan Vine, Hogan Ephraim, Ben Watson, Martin Rowlands, Jay Simpson, Gareth Aunsworth.
Drew 1-1 at home to Blackpool, Peterborough and Palace, drew at Plymouth, lost to Doncaster Rovers, got done 5-1 at home by Middlesbrough, got humiliated on TV at Watford.
Basically ran hot for a week, then headbutted his best player and got the sack, never got a proper job again after that. | | | |
| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 21:43 - Dec 1 with 1680 views | JamesB1979 |
| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 18:30 - Dec 1 by stainrods_elbow |
Effective, but not really my cup of tea, tbh |
Jim Magilton was your cup of tea? | | | |
| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 21:52 - Dec 1 with 1657 views | wombat |
| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 21:43 - Dec 1 by JamesB1979 |
Jim Magilton was your cup of tea? |
Think it warnock he’s referring to . |  |
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| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 09:01 - Dec 2 with 1455 views | TheChef |
| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 21:35 - Dec 1 by Northernr |
Had a fcking insanely talented squad as well, relative to what people like Warburton, Holloway, Cifuentes have had to work with.
Helguson up front with Akos Buzsaky, Wayne Routledge and Adel Taarabt behind. Ale Faurlin behind that. Cover provided by the likes of Rowan Vine, Hogan Ephraim, Ben Watson, Martin Rowlands, Jay Simpson, Gareth Aunsworth.
Drew 1-1 at home to Blackpool, Peterborough and Palace, drew at Plymouth, lost to Doncaster Rovers, got done 5-1 at home by Middlesbrough, got humiliated on TV at Watford.
Basically ran hot for a week, then headbutted his best player and got the sack, never got a proper job again after that. |
Ah but man that hot week, that was HOT.
But yeah proper tear in the fabric of reality stuff. |  |
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| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 15:56 - Dec 2 with 1321 views | stainrods_elbow |
| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 21:29 - Dec 1 by Northernr |
"though I'm a bit surprised by Furlong's departure, the club statement reads well enough to me (while, because of course, not telling us anything about the reasons), and he doesn't sound too unhappy about it" |
It's not that hard, surely? I didn't feel (rightly or wrongly - there's a seemingly endless thread about it) I was being mugged off by the club on that particular occasion, that's all. Even I sometimes pedal back on the critical thinking just a tad, especially as I realise one must be pretty dense to go to a football club of all things for transparency (even if, probably because I am bit stupid, being a fanatical, I often rail against it). | |
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| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 16:00 - Dec 2 with 1311 views | stainrods_elbow |
| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 19:57 - Dec 1 by TK1 |
Jim Magilton is the last QPR manager you liked. A manager who was in charge for 24 games in 2009, of which he won 9, lost six. 37%.
What was it that he did that so charmed you? Was it losing 1-5 at home to Boro and then 1-3 away at Watford the next game? (Not much travel between those two games)? What in his managerial career marks him out for you? |
I didn't say I admired his record, just that I liked the cut of his jib. (In fact, from memory, we started pretty well under him, before the wheels came off.)
We could use a manager like him now, imo. who might get in the faces of the likes of soft centres like Madsen and Varane | |
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| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 16:14 - Dec 2 with 1290 views | stainrods_elbow |
| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 21:35 - Dec 1 by Northernr |
Had a fcking insanely talented squad as well, relative to what people like Warburton, Holloway, Cifuentes have had to work with.
Helguson up front with Akos Buzsaky, Wayne Routledge and Adel Taarabt behind. Ale Faurlin behind that. Cover provided by the likes of Rowan Vine, Hogan Ephraim, Ben Watson, Martin Rowlands, Jay Simpson, Gareth Aunsworth.
Drew 1-1 at home to Blackpool, Peterborough and Palace, drew at Plymouth, lost to Doncaster Rovers, got done 5-1 at home by Middlesbrough, got humiliated on TV at Watford.
Basically ran hot for a week, then headbutted his best player and got the sack, never got a proper job again after that. |
Allegedly headbutted a player - unless you're simply swallowing the propaganda of the rich lunatics who were hiring and firing on a virtually monthly basis at the time.
A (presumably player) source in the dressing room later denied any head-butt happened, as did Marc Bircham, and at the time John Gorman and the reserve manager walked out in support of the manager (who also denied it). It was discussed on a thread on this very messageboard on 9 October.
https://www.wearetherangersboys.com/forum/general/qpr-fans/16858-did-buz-embelis
I suspect what happened is that the player concerned, and probably some of the rest of them, didn't like a bit of managerial passion going up against their lack of it, and the twunts running the show wanted to flex their scrawny muscles once again.
PS Re Magilton's CV, he and the IFA might disagree with your assessment that his managing the Irish U-21 set-up for three years isn't a 'pwoper job'. [Post edited 2 Dec 16:34]
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| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 17:36 - Dec 2 with 1229 views | stainrods_elbow |
| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 21:35 - Dec 1 by bosh67 |
They're professional footballers. They're meant to be able to do this. The teams we are playing are more or less in the same boat and they seem to be able to do a 3 game week. I go back to times when we played 3 times a week on churned mud with one sub. It's also on the players to say, I'm not sure I can do 90 gaffer. But, they should be able to play 3 times a week. That's the job. It's hardly a mad surprise on them. |
Careful - sanity like yours might be catching!
I suspect many of those who are defended the 'player fatigue' thesis haven't been watching football for more than a couple of decades or so. | |
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| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 18:52 - Dec 2 with 1154 views | KensalT |
| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 17:36 - Dec 2 by stainrods_elbow |
Careful - sanity like yours might be catching!
I suspect many of those who are defended the 'player fatigue' thesis haven't been watching football for more than a couple of decades or so. |
I agree with some of what you say about the Norwich selection and performance but I'm going to push back on your glib remarks about player fatigue.
In all your years watching football you might have noticed that the game has got a lot faster and more intense.
What you might not be aware of is the sharp increase in the number of player fatalities from onfield incidents.
In the whole of the 20th Century there were 67 fatalities worldwide.
In the last 25 years there have been 152.
There are a range of causes such as collisions or lightning strikes but the biggest risk factor is cardiac arrest.
There's a Wikipedia page with the full list but the breakdown over time is as follows:
pre 1900 - 22
1900-49 - 31
1950-99 - 36
2000-09 - 45
2010-19 - 71
2020-25 - 36
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_association_footballers_who_died_after_on-
"The primary causes of on-field deaths have evolved over time. Improvements in infection control and emergency surgery since the early days of organised soccer have mostly eliminated the fatal complications that were once common after routine sporting injuries. Squad rotation and substitutes have also reduced the need for seriously ill players to start, or remain in, games, and lifestyle factors are now tightly controlled.
However, deaths from heart failure have increased as the intense pace of the modern game has placed higher demands on players' aerobic conditioning. Following an increase in heart-related deaths,[1] both during matches and training, in 2007 the International Federation of Association Football (FIFA) considered mandatory cardiac testing,[2] already in place for years in some countries, such as Italy.[3] By 2009, FIFA pre-competition medical assessment included family history, heart rhythm, sounds, and electrocardiogram results.[4] The Union of European Football Associations (UEFA) required extensive medical tests, including electrocardiogram and echocardiogram for players in the Europa League 2011–12.[5] Constant monitoring has been advised.[6]
The FIFA Sudden Death Report (FIFA-SDR), was carried out by Saarland University and published in 2020.[7] The report recorded worldwide deaths attributed to sudden cardiac arrest or other unexplained sudden death while playing (or shortly after playing) football during the period from 2014 to 2018. There were 617 cases during the five-year period. In the majority of cases where an autopsy was carried out, the cause of death was coronary heart disease.
Most non-cardiac deaths are the result of blunt trauma to the head or torso, resulting in life-threatening conditions such as intracerebral hemorrhage and peritonitis, caused by colliding with other players, goalposts or stadium architecture. Challenging another player by targeting their body, an important part of soccer for most of the 20th century, is penalised automatically under modern refereeing guidelines, as is "dangerous play" such as playing the ball with a foot above shoulder height.
As with other forms of outdoor recreation, fatal lightning strikes are a rare but persistent problem, especially at training grounds where there is no stadium structure to draw the lightning away." | | | |
| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 19:04 - Dec 2 with 1135 views | VancouverHoop |
I'm guessing that accurate worldwide stats, prior to the latter years of the last century, were a bit hit and miss. Still the overall trend is startling.
Long term Injuries have almost certainly increased too. Lighter equipment and less body-fat on players to facilitate speed and mobility have contributed to that. | | | |
| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 19:44 - Dec 2 with 1072 views | stainrods_elbow |
If anyone seriously wants to argue that football is more tiring to players (let alone threatening to life and limb) in the 2020s compared to any other time, what with, ooh let's see:
near-perfect pitches
dieticians
psychologists
culturally legitimised squad rotations (i.e. cheating) for cup competitions
actual withdrawal from cup competitions in the case of Manure
friendly game-level substitutions
simulation
international breaks
water breaks
and whatever else,
I despair.
In 2025/26, the ball isn't even in play in a Premier League game for more than about half of the 90 minutes on average (see https://www.theguardian.com/football/2025/oct/15/longer-games-less-football-ball ), the lowest in 11 seasons since records began. (If we had records for previous decades, those of us with souls could all vomit in unison!) You don't have to be a statistician to see there is an inverse correlation between the enrirchment of players and clubs and the value to the fan, which is, in my opinion, the reason that the Julien Stephans of this world now agree to cynically manage down expectations at every opportunity with bullsh*t about 3-game weeks - and don't get me started on the likes of Ferguson and Klopp!
Good journalists would be shouting about this stuff every week in the influential media and throwing it back at the clubs on our behalf. That they aren't tells you something, but I'll leave that to you to work out.
Then again, it could all be a conspiracy theory, and I can be the child in the room again if you prefer. [Post edited 2 Dec 20:06]
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| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 20:04 - Dec 2 with 1041 views | KensalT |
| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 19:44 - Dec 2 by stainrods_elbow |
If anyone seriously wants to argue that football is more tiring to players (let alone threatening to life and limb) in the 2020s compared to any other time, what with, ooh let's see:
near-perfect pitches
dieticians
psychologists
culturally legitimised squad rotations (i.e. cheating) for cup competitions
actual withdrawal from cup competitions in the case of Manure
friendly game-level substitutions
simulation
international breaks
water breaks
and whatever else,
I despair.
In 2025/26, the ball isn't even in play in a Premier League game for more than about half of the 90 minutes on average (see https://www.theguardian.com/football/2025/oct/15/longer-games-less-football-ball ), the lowest in 11 seasons since records began. (If we had records for previous decades, those of us with souls could all vomit in unison!) You don't have to be a statistician to see there is an inverse correlation between the enrirchment of players and clubs and the value to the fan, which is, in my opinion, the reason that the Julien Stephans of this world now agree to cynically manage down expectations at every opportunity with bullsh*t about 3-game weeks - and don't get me started on the likes of Ferguson and Klopp!
Good journalists would be shouting about this stuff every week in the influential media and throwing it back at the clubs on our behalf. That they aren't tells you something, but I'll leave that to you to work out.
Then again, it could all be a conspiracy theory, and I can be the child in the room again if you prefer. [Post edited 2 Dec 20:06]
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I think good investigative journalism went out of fashion with Watergate (no offence Clive).
It is possible to agree with everything you say about what is wrong with the modern game and still accept the fact that players are running a lot more than ever before, sprinting a lot more than ever before, and unfortunately dying from heart failure at a significantly higher rate than ever before.
And yet as bad as it is now it could still get worse. I read somewhere that for years FIFA has been investigating the feasibility of playing to a one hour clock which stops every time the ball is out of play, and for the game to be split into four quarters of 15 minutes with a lengthy half time break.
That would guarantee the fans their sixty minutes of action, which is more than we get now. But it doesn't sound like progress to me. In fact I think there would be a lot of opposition to it. Which might be the only reason it hasn't been tried already. [Post edited 2 Dec 20:06]
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| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 21:01 - Dec 2 with 961 views | TwoHalves |
| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 17:30 - Dec 1 by stainrods_elbow |
Dave Sexton
Tommy Docherty
Terry Venables
Gerry Francis (phase 1)
Ian Holloway (phase 1)
Jim Magilton |
Gordon Jago? My first manager. Brought in Bowles, Thomas and Givens. | | | |
| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 22:57 - Dec 2 with 859 views | Northernr |
| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 15:56 - Dec 2 by stainrods_elbow |
It's not that hard, surely? I didn't feel (rightly or wrongly - there's a seemingly endless thread about it) I was being mugged off by the club on that particular occasion, that's all. Even I sometimes pedal back on the critical thinking just a tad, especially as I realise one must be pretty dense to go to a football club of all things for transparency (even if, probably because I am bit stupid, being a fanatical, I often rail against it). |
Okay, that's fine.
It's just important to establish standards and consistencies, seeing as that's what you're constantly, aggressively demanding of the posters on here and the club. Sacking Paul Furlong fine, losing away to Norwich not fine.
Let's get some precedent established.
You think their belated statement on sacking a modern day club legend is FINE, even though, as you say, it gives no reason why it was done, and was shoved out at 5pm on a Friday night.
You think manager 3.8 making some partially justified excuses for a weekend no show at Norwich in a generic post match press conference is APPALLING.
If you are going to "sometimes pedal back on the critical thinking just a tad" may I suggest you're picking the wrong cause. | | | |
| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 23:09 - Dec 2 with 833 views | Northernr |
| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 21:01 - Dec 2 by TwoHalves |
Gordon Jago? My first manager. Brought in Bowles, Thomas and Givens. |
Bear with mate, he's just whacking that through ChatGPT. | | | |
| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 01:09 - Dec 3 with 714 views | stainrods_elbow |
| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 22:57 - Dec 2 by Northernr |
Okay, that's fine.
It's just important to establish standards and consistencies, seeing as that's what you're constantly, aggressively demanding of the posters on here and the club. Sacking Paul Furlong fine, losing away to Norwich not fine.
Let's get some precedent established.
You think their belated statement on sacking a modern day club legend is FINE, even though, as you say, it gives no reason why it was done, and was shoved out at 5pm on a Friday night.
You think manager 3.8 making some partially justified excuses for a weekend no show at Norwich in a generic post match press conference is APPALLING.
If you are going to "sometimes pedal back on the critical thinking just a tad" may I suggest you're picking the wrong cause. |
That's fine too - we can just agree to disagree.
For the record, ultimately, I don't actually think it's human to be (fully) consistent - contradiction (inc. self-contradiction) is what keeps conversations like those on a football message board in business, as well as interesting. This isn't a court of law, after all - fans are irrationalists! [Post edited 3 Dec 1:16]
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| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 07:59 - Dec 3 with 586 views | Burnleyhoop |
| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 23:56 - Nov 29 by ManinBlack |
Don't forget that Sheffield Wednesday got one of their two home points against us. Everyone else has won there basically scoring at least three in the process. We don't score enough goals to take the pressure off the defence.
If Norwich still had the manager that lost seven home games on the bounce we might have got something but getting a new man in is a fresh start and bad timing for us. The other issue is I read in the last 42 meetings with Norwich, we have only won 9 compared to 22 wins for them so it seems ingrained in us they are a big club so we generally go to Carrow Road with a defeatist attitude.
Last season's 3-0 home win was our first victory over Norwich for years and Kolli scored twice. Alas this manager thought Frey was a better option today whereas the Norwich defence might have been more concerned facing Kolli. Now we face West Brom, another team who have done us 7-1 and a team we haven't beaten for a few years. |
We all know what to expect from West Brom, another team that bullies us into submission every season, but will JS and his staff be fully aware of what they are facing.
Unless we change our line up and add a bit of physicality, another humbling is on the cards.
Field now likely injured, but Hayden and RND must start. Varane and Saito need to sit this one out. | | | |
| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 08:37 - Dec 3 with 541 views | francisbowles |
| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 19:44 - Dec 2 by stainrods_elbow |
If anyone seriously wants to argue that football is more tiring to players (let alone threatening to life and limb) in the 2020s compared to any other time, what with, ooh let's see:
near-perfect pitches
dieticians
psychologists
culturally legitimised squad rotations (i.e. cheating) for cup competitions
actual withdrawal from cup competitions in the case of Manure
friendly game-level substitutions
simulation
international breaks
water breaks
and whatever else,
I despair.
In 2025/26, the ball isn't even in play in a Premier League game for more than about half of the 90 minutes on average (see https://www.theguardian.com/football/2025/oct/15/longer-games-less-football-ball ), the lowest in 11 seasons since records began. (If we had records for previous decades, those of us with souls could all vomit in unison!) You don't have to be a statistician to see there is an inverse correlation between the enrirchment of players and clubs and the value to the fan, which is, in my opinion, the reason that the Julien Stephans of this world now agree to cynically manage down expectations at every opportunity with bullsh*t about 3-game weeks - and don't get me started on the likes of Ferguson and Klopp!
Good journalists would be shouting about this stuff every week in the influential media and throwing it back at the clubs on our behalf. That they aren't tells you something, but I'll leave that to you to work out.
Then again, it could all be a conspiracy theory, and I can be the child in the room again if you prefer. [Post edited 2 Dec 20:06]
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I despair, that you cannot see that your list is made up with numerous reasons why the intensity of the game (when the ball is in play) has increased over the years.
This list directly contributes to fatigue and injuries. It also seems to be more, as you put it, "threatening to life and limb" as per the stats posted by KensalT.
Do you ever look back at old matches from the 70's. They are almost pedestrian in comparison. They might have been more entertaining, and defenders might have been trying to kick lumps out of 'the mavericks' but they pale into insignificance, when compared to, the sheer force of todays challenges, fair and foul (a fine margin, sometimes). | | | |
| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 08:39 - Dec 3 with 532 views | francisbowles |
| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 18:52 - Dec 2 by KensalT |
I agree with some of what you say about the Norwich selection and performance but I'm going to push back on your glib remarks about player fatigue.
In all your years watching football you might have noticed that the game has got a lot faster and more intense.
What you might not be aware of is the sharp increase in the number of player fatalities from onfield incidents.
In the whole of the 20th Century there were 67 fatalities worldwide.
In the last 25 years there have been 152.
There are a range of causes such as collisions or lightning strikes but the biggest risk factor is cardiac arrest.
There's a Wikipedia page with the full list but the breakdown over time is as follows:
pre 1900 - 22
1900-49 - 31
1950-99 - 36
2000-09 - 45
2010-19 - 71
2020-25 - 36
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_association_footballers_who_died_after_on-
"The primary causes of on-field deaths have evolved over time. Improvements in infection control and emergency surgery since the early days of organised soccer have mostly eliminated the fatal complications that were once common after routine sporting injuries. Squad rotation and substitutes have also reduced the need for seriously ill players to start, or remain in, games, and lifestyle factors are now tightly controlled.
However, deaths from heart failure have increased as the intense pace of the modern game has placed higher demands on players' aerobic conditioning. Following an increase in heart-related deaths,[1] both during matches and training, in 2007 the International Federation of Association Football (FIFA) considered mandatory cardiac testing,[2] already in place for years in some countries, such as Italy.[3] By 2009, FIFA pre-competition medical assessment included family history, heart rhythm, sounds, and electrocardiogram results.[4] The Union of European Football Associations (UEFA) required extensive medical tests, including electrocardiogram and echocardiogram for players in the Europa League 2011–12.[5] Constant monitoring has been advised.[6]
The FIFA Sudden Death Report (FIFA-SDR), was carried out by Saarland University and published in 2020.[7] The report recorded worldwide deaths attributed to sudden cardiac arrest or other unexplained sudden death while playing (or shortly after playing) football during the period from 2014 to 2018. There were 617 cases during the five-year period. In the majority of cases where an autopsy was carried out, the cause of death was coronary heart disease.
Most non-cardiac deaths are the result of blunt trauma to the head or torso, resulting in life-threatening conditions such as intracerebral hemorrhage and peritonitis, caused by colliding with other players, goalposts or stadium architecture. Challenging another player by targeting their body, an important part of soccer for most of the 20th century, is penalised automatically under modern refereeing guidelines, as is "dangerous play" such as playing the ball with a foot above shoulder height.
As with other forms of outdoor recreation, fatal lightning strikes are a rare but persistent problem, especially at training grounds where there is no stadium structure to draw the lightning away." |
Good info, KensalT. Thank you. | | | |
| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 08:41 - Dec 3 with 517 views | Northernr |
| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 01:09 - Dec 3 by stainrods_elbow |
That's fine too - we can just agree to disagree.
For the record, ultimately, I don't actually think it's human to be (fully) consistent - contradiction (inc. self-contradiction) is what keeps conversations like those on a football message board in business, as well as interesting. This isn't a court of law, after all - fans are irrationalists! [Post edited 3 Dec 1:16]
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Ah yes, of course, this routine again... I am but a man, of flesh and bone, not machine, a poet not a scientist, I am a fan, a fanatic, my only consistency is my inconsistency, I will not apologise for my yearning soul...
i.e. you've been caught out talking contradictory nonsense again. | | | |
| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 09:33 - Dec 3 with 408 views | TheChef |
| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 01:09 - Dec 3 by stainrods_elbow |
That's fine too - we can just agree to disagree.
For the record, ultimately, I don't actually think it's human to be (fully) consistent - contradiction (inc. self-contradiction) is what keeps conversations like those on a football message board in business, as well as interesting. This isn't a court of law, after all - fans are irrationalists! [Post edited 3 Dec 1:16]
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You read it here everyone, Stainrod said you don't have to be perfect! | |
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