| Don't be Addicks - Charlton Athletic vs QPR Match Thread 03:18 - Feb 4 with 42482 views | Spaceman_P |
Riding high from the previous weekends pant pulling of Coventry.
I feel there is positivity in the camp, weirdly I think Field going may phase the team.
However if its the same team line up and if Vale and Madsen are on fire.
We'll be the Orgasm Addicks not them
Charlton Diuretic 0 QPR 3
Kone, Dunne and Vale
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| Don't be Addicks - Charlton Athletic vs QPR Match Thread on 17:00 - Feb 7 with 2209 views | baz_qpr |
I do think what the opponent does, has some impact on us. Last night Dykes was causing us real problems, Charlton were very direct and very physical, because Dykes was winning so much in the air and Kelman was running beyond to win those flicks, it pulled us really deep 1st half, to counter it so we could not get out and the attackers were isolated. We started with Saito on the left, Smyth on the right and switched after 5 or 10 minutes because Norrington Davies kept getting exposed and needed more protection.
They man marked Madsen and Vale and made sure it was always Hayden who had the ball in space.
2nd half we pressed to stop the long ball / cross field ball and the defence pushed higher which allowed us to take back control of midfield and get Madsen and Vale more into the game
Walsh had a good game, but concede any of those bar the Coady chance and we would be complaining. We actually defended really well and Cook had an epic game, as did their centre back marking Kone
Jones deserves credit for his gameplan, Stephen deserves credit for his adjustments 2nd half.
And he nearly nicked it.
We do struggle against the more direct scrappy physical teams, whereas we can dominate physically against the more technical teams.
Would have lost that game last year [Post edited 7 Feb 17:01]
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| Don't be Addicks - Charlton Athletic vs QPR Match Thread on 17:08 - Feb 7 with 2174 views | nix |
| Don't be Addicks - Charlton Athletic vs QPR Match Thread on 15:10 - Feb 7 by Wegerles_Stairs |
I think it's okay to criticise him though. Three draws = one win and two defeats. Warnock wins that match last night; that's the difference between our current manager and what we've had in the past. I just can't stop thinking this season was our best opportunity to get in the play-offs for years and 0-0s at Charlton, while not the end of the world, don't achieve anything. |
Of course it’s okay to criticise. But it’s also okay to push back on posts that imply he’s not up to the level when the evidence for that just isn’t there.
I’m not sure Neil Warnock would have achieved quite so much without Adel Taarabt scoring 19 goals that season or if Mackie or Faurlin had been out injured for half the season. Also the average age of that squad was I’m guessing three or four years older than our current squad. It’s like when Wrexham were bringing on Rathbone and Windass and we’d be bringing on Bennie and Kolli. That squad wouldn’t have had a lower division player playing their first year in the Championship and learning not to get sent off.
Point being Warnock had largely players in their prime. JS is trying to marshall a team who are largely inexperienced at this level and in many cases in senior football generally. And we’re still doing better than a load of parachute teams. We could have gone for breaking the bank on experienced players with no resale value but we’ve tried that and it’s pretty sh*t when you still don’t go up and you’ve got to play Gubbins and Kakay cos that’s all you can afford the following season. |  | | |
| Don't be Addicks - Charlton Athletic vs QPR Match Thread on 19:04 - Feb 7 with 2040 views | charmr |
Look it’s not this player that player it’s how the team is set up.
These 0-0,s have more to do with the opossition being poor and not taking their chances then anything else. As performances go the last 5 away games have been devoid of any serious intent to go forward.
Personally comparing the manager to others we have and seeing JS as an improvement is a no brainer. If this lack of any ambition carry’s on questions might start being asked. He seems a very fearful football manager inmo.
Calling the Arsenal game boring and that game not is ridiculous. Any team that comes to LR and plays like we have been doing away gets plenty of grief and comments like I’m glad I don’t support/follow that team.
We are better then this so JS take the shackles off and let them play. That’s all.
Ps not convinced the players enjoy playing so restricted either. [Post edited 7 Feb 19:12]
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| Don't be Addicks - Charlton Athletic vs QPR Match Thread on 20:09 - Feb 7 with 1916 views | Superhoops2808 |
Not for the first time this season, and I'll post again, if you average 2 points a game, which we have not been far off since beginning of September - 1.7 points you will be there or thereabouts for the play offs.
Do I enjoy 0-0 draws, most definitely not but I would prefer them to losing (especially 7-1) when we go all gung-ho in an attempt to win. Had we conceded a goal against Oxford, Charlton or Stoke because we were being more adventurous they would have put everyone behind the ball and we would be unlikely to get a goal. Its why in my opinion that we do better against sides like Coventry, because if they score first they dont rest on their laurels they continue to attack leaving gaps for us to then go and get a few goals.
As it stands, as a result of this point and after todays games, we have gained a point on the play off standings this weekend so its all good and on to Blackburn next weekend who continue to look woeful
As for JS, we cannot let him go, he needs a full preseason with the team and a fully fit squad to pick from. Get close to the play offs this season and I think the management will see what can be done with a half available squad all season and back him in the Summer transfer window.
I'd much rather this state of play than looking over our shoulder or looking up to see how many more points we need to get out of the bottom three thanks |  | | |
| Don't be Addicks - Charlton Athletic vs QPR Match Thread on 20:17 - Feb 7 with 1881 views | nix |
| Don't be Addicks - Charlton Athletic vs QPR Match Thread on 19:04 - Feb 7 by charmr |
Look it’s not this player that player it’s how the team is set up.
These 0-0,s have more to do with the opossition being poor and not taking their chances then anything else. As performances go the last 5 away games have been devoid of any serious intent to go forward.
Personally comparing the manager to others we have and seeing JS as an improvement is a no brainer. If this lack of any ambition carry’s on questions might start being asked. He seems a very fearful football manager inmo.
Calling the Arsenal game boring and that game not is ridiculous. Any team that comes to LR and plays like we have been doing away gets plenty of grief and comments like I’m glad I don’t support/follow that team.
We are better then this so JS take the shackles off and let them play. That’s all.
Ps not convinced the players enjoy playing so restricted either. [Post edited 7 Feb 19:12]
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Well that’s how you see it. Don’t agree.
Individual players’ performances seem pretty relevant to me. If you’re spraying the ball around one week and then barely making a pass the next that makes a difference. If you’re not making your duels, running back to defend, going for the second ball that makes a difference. You could see how much difference it made when Kolli and Bennie came on. Same manager, same set up. Different energy and intensity.
And the past managers are obviously relevant to the discussions. People always think there’s a better manager out there. But look what can happen if you always think there’s better round the corner: you sack Warnock and end up with Hughes; you sack Holloway and end up with McClaren; you sack Mark Warburton and end up with Michael Beale and bang goes Willock’s hamstrings forever.
Yeah if the manager is terrible they have to go but personally within three points of the playoffs I prefer some stability than the next effing Mark Hughes. | | | |
| Don't be Addicks - Charlton Athletic vs QPR Match Thread on 20:35 - Feb 7 with 1828 views | colinallcars |
| Don't be Addicks - Charlton Athletic vs QPR Match Thread on 22:49 - Feb 6 by stainrods_elbow |
We only got to 0-0 at half-time thanks to Walsh literally saving us on two or three occasions, and Charlton/Dykes being so inept. No offence, but your support for that set-up can get in the sea as far as I'm concerned. Mind you, I'm sure the manager would give you (French) kisses. |
Love that expression “ get in the sea ”, which I haven't heard for many a year. My old workmate Chris McNamara used to tell me to do that.
He went back to Dublin upon retirement and sadly only lasted a few years. |  | | |
| Don't be Addicks - Charlton Athletic vs QPR Match Thread on 21:15 - Feb 7 with 1735 views | charmr |
I keep reading about attacking expansive play, being open.
Isn’t Football about defending as a team, attacking as a team and having a plan/strategy around transitions when the ball is won and the ball is lost. Kone is in our own half more than the other.
Averages and percentages attain that this can just as easily go the other way. Hope they don’t score is not a strategy.
Brentford today were brilliant at Newcastle, did all the above.
My point is these 0-0,s could have easily been defeats and the Norwich, Portsmouth and WBA games we’re abject and embarrassing performances . These 0-0,s inmo RESULTS are masking performances and a lack of any coherent plan or team identify.
It’s gonna bite him on the bum if he isn’t careful.
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| Don't be Addicks - Charlton Athletic vs QPR Match Thread on 22:48 - Feb 7 with 1612 views | BrizR |
In the very recent past these 0-0s WOULD have been defeats. It's a good thing they're not. Wins are better than draws, but draws are a hell of a lot better than losses. With half the first team in the treatment room and a bench with a single senior pro on it among the outfielders, I'll take a dour 0-0 where we go out and set up to be hard to beat over expansive football where we go down 1-0 early on and have minimal options to change anything up. | | | |
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| Don't be Addicks - Charlton Athletic vs QPR Match Thread on 23:53 - Feb 7 with 1525 views | kensalriser |
| Don't be Addicks - Charlton Athletic vs QPR Match Thread on 21:15 - Feb 7 by charmr |
I keep reading about attacking expansive play, being open.
Isn’t Football about defending as a team, attacking as a team and having a plan/strategy around transitions when the ball is won and the ball is lost. Kone is in our own half more than the other.
Averages and percentages attain that this can just as easily go the other way. Hope they don’t score is not a strategy.
Brentford today were brilliant at Newcastle, did all the above.
My point is these 0-0,s could have easily been defeats and the Norwich, Portsmouth and WBA games we’re abject and embarrassing performances . These 0-0,s inmo RESULTS are masking performances and a lack of any coherent plan or team identify.
It’s gonna bite him on the bum if he isn’t careful.
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They could easily have been wins, too. |  |
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| Don't be Addicks - Charlton Athletic vs QPR Match Thread on 23:53 - Feb 7 with 1522 views | Myke |
In my opinion, anyone associated with QPR (players/board/staff/fans) who thinks getting a 0-0 draw at Charlton or Oxford (or a 1-1 draw at Portsmouth for that matter) as a ‘decent result’ has unacceptably low expectations of what this club should be able to achieve. | | | |
| Don't be Addicks - Charlton Athletic vs QPR Match Thread on 13:13 - Feb 8 with 1321 views | charmr |
To win a game you have to create chances.
Not have your Gk motm and ex-players missing chances who was replaced by league ones best striker who is in our half more then theirs. | | | |
| Don't be Addicks - Charlton Athletic vs QPR Match Thread on 13:14 - Feb 8 with 1322 views | mart_Goblin |
| Don't be Addicks - Charlton Athletic vs QPR Match Thread on 23:53 - Feb 7 by Myke |
In my opinion, anyone associated with QPR (players/board/staff/fans) who thinks getting a 0-0 draw at Charlton or Oxford (or a 1-1 draw at Portsmouth for that matter) as a ‘decent result’ has unacceptably low expectations of what this club should be able to achieve. |
I think there is a very thin line between high expectation and an arrogant entitlement.
Not saying you or anyone else is displaying those things but it’s not a great leap .
Every game should be taken individually on its own merits with all sorts of things to be considered, including the main one that’s often forgotten, an opponent who is trying to stop you and beat you .
We’ve been very disappointing away from home in the main this season, I Don’t think anyone is denying that.
I thought we might win Friday ….but I didn’t expect it .
Those 2 things are worlds apart and any QPR fan ‘expecting’ to win any match is a touch delusional and learned zero from all the years of support behind them. [Post edited 8 Feb 13:15]
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| Don't be Addicks - Charlton Athletic vs QPR Match Thread on 13:26 - Feb 8 with 1282 views | nix |
| Don't be Addicks - Charlton Athletic vs QPR Match Thread on 13:13 - Feb 8 by charmr |
To win a game you have to create chances.
Not have your Gk motm and ex-players missing chances who was replaced by league ones best striker who is in our half more then theirs. |
Yes and we lost ten of our last eighteen matches last season. Sometimes like the man said you have to be difficult to beat, particularly away from home. Sometimes you’re not at your best and the other team is setting up to make it difficult. What we are doing is keeping in touch. I don’t believe many of us thought we’d be where we are now at the beginning of the season, so we’ve made progress.
I know that’s not good enough for you but we’re just not quite good enough with the injuries we’ve had and the fact that inexperienced players are generally more inconsistent. You can keep on whinging about it or you can support the manager and the team. | | | |
| Don't be Addicks - Charlton Athletic vs QPR Match Thread on 13:38 - Feb 8 with 1253 views | OldPedro |
Thr frustrating part for me is that if we have a chance to finish 6th, we need to turn some of these away draws into wins by being more positive, even if it leads to the odd defeat. 4 recent aways draws at Sheff Utd, Stoke, Oxford and Charlton all felt like we could have won a couple of them by being more positive earlier in the game. If we had won two and lost two, we would be 2 points better off. |  |
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| Don't be Addicks - Charlton Athletic vs QPR Match Thread on 14:01 - Feb 8 with 1181 views | charmr |
Come on be honest. Who after that wonderful game beating the lead leaders thought we were going to witness that slop again. Personally I’m seeing a lot of excuses made for him rather than actually look at what he’s doing at away games. Let’s see how it develops.
Ps I do not have any part of my anatomy named after a beautiful and wonderful ex striker of ours. [Post edited 8 Feb 14:58]
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| Don't be Addicks - Charlton Athletic vs QPR Match Thread on 12:19 - Feb 9 with 859 views | E15Hoop |
| Don't be Addicks - Charlton Athletic vs QPR Match Thread on 14:01 - Feb 8 by charmr |
Come on be honest. Who after that wonderful game beating the lead leaders thought we were going to witness that slop again. Personally I’m seeing a lot of excuses made for him rather than actually look at what he’s doing at away games. Let’s see how it develops.
Ps I do not have any part of my anatomy named after a beautiful and wonderful ex striker of ours. [Post edited 8 Feb 14:58]
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We had 4 clear-cut chances to win that in injury time - Cook's header in particular was literally millimetres over the bar.
Would you still be whingeing like this if we'd nicked the match 0-1? | | | |
| Don't be Addicks - Charlton Athletic vs QPR Match Thread on 13:15 - Feb 9 with 765 views | wombat |
| Don't be Addicks - Charlton Athletic vs QPR Match Thread on 12:19 - Feb 9 by E15Hoop |
We had 4 clear-cut chances to win that in injury time - Cook's header in particular was literally millimetres over the bar.
Would you still be whingeing like this if we'd nicked the match 0-1? |
lucky enough to be able to do all the away games and lets be honest for months now we might asw well stay downstairs in the first half and not bother watching us play , its the same every single game , no ambition shown , no attacking just hang on until half time and see if we can nick it late on, marti did it and it was crap but he had way worse players at his disposal than we presently do . yes the bench is empty and has been for a while but show something in the first half , not sure if anyone has the stats handy for how many shows on target we have had in the last say 6 away games ! it wont be many id bet. losing burrell has obv killed us on the counter attack , and the 3 up front for conrers seemed to be a one off experiment for coventry . just show some ambition for one game away from home . |  |
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| Don't be Addicks - Charlton Athletic vs QPR Match Thread on 09:43 - Feb 10 with 508 views | Spaghetti_Hoops |
| Don't be Addicks - Charlton Athletic vs QPR Match Thread on 22:56 - Feb 6 by Northernr |
Charlton are poor though. As are Oxford. It's not a controversial point of view.
Between them they've won six of their last 36 Championship games. |
What’s poor about Charlton is their strikers. Seemed to me that the rest of the team includes some talented players and was close to average for the Championship eg currently 12th on Game Control. | | | |
| Don't be Addicks - Charlton Athletic vs QPR Match Thread on 09:56 - Feb 10 with 473 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
| Don't be Addicks - Charlton Athletic vs QPR Match Thread on 12:19 - Feb 9 by E15Hoop |
We had 4 clear-cut chances to win that in injury time - Cook's header in particular was literally millimetres over the bar.
Would you still be whingeing like this if we'd nicked the match 0-1? |
But for Walsh and their awful shooting, we could easily have been three down by injury time. | | | |
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