| WALES HAS NO VOICE IN WESTMINSTER 09:54 - Feb 25 with 5390 views | johnlangy |
This is a letter I sent to the EP on Sunday.
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Welsh votes count for almost nothing. It doesn’t matter how we vote, the Westminster government will be decided by voters in England. With just 40 MP’s Wales is represented in Westminster by just 6% of MP’s. If the boundary commission proposals are implemented and the 40 is reduced to 29 we’ll have just 4.5%.
In Assembly elections voters in Wales have TOTAL control over who runs the Welsh parliament. I’m no fan of Labour but the fact is that it was voters in Wales who elected them. And if we think they are doing a bad job we have the ability to vote them out. It’s our choice.
So I find it incredibly strange that some people want to abolish the Assembly and pass all their powers back to Westminster. To what end ? When Labour are in power in Westminster then, in theory, Wales IS represented. But that’s only because this coincides with what voters in England want. They decide who governs by having 533 MP’s to vote in. But even then, if England decides to vote Labour into government, the 40/29 Welsh Labour MP’s would still be just a small fraction of the 330 or so Labour MP’s in parliament. Their voice will still be minute.
Over the last 100 years there have been 28 General Elections. In that time Wales has NEVER voted for a Tory government but has had to endure being governed by the Torys after 20 of those elections.
So I’ll ask the question again. If Wales almost never gets the government it wants at Westminster what on earth is the logic in saying we should scrap the Welsh government and give what little control we have back to Westminster ?
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| WALES HAS NO VOICE IN WESTMINSTER on 15:00 - Feb 27 with 795 views | johnlangy |
| WALES HAS NO VOICE IN WESTMINSTER on 11:10 - Feb 27 by Catullus |
John, that is exactly the point that many are making. Wales is massively in favour of remaining in the Union, more people are in favour of abolishing the Senedd and reversing devolution than want independence, that was the latest poll as analysed by Professor Awan Scully.
As such Wales is part of the union by majority concensus, we are deciding the path we want to take. That path we want to take should only change when a majority want independence.
When talking about democracy and what Wales should do, as if anyone needs reminding, Wales voted to leave the EU too so all this noise about Wales going Indy and rejoining the EU is going against the wishes of the majority. Until or unless we have a proper debate, referendum and have voted for both those things nothing should change. That's why I'm in favour of a proper, fact and truth based debate and a vote so we can put the argument to bed, one way or the other.
Going on your figures for MP's and comparing it to the Senedd, don't we have too many AM's? Then remember they want to increae their number. It's a gravy train for incompetent, parochial politicians who are failing Wales. |
Correct for the most part Catullus. There is a large majority in favour of the Union at present. And that can't change until a majority want Independence.
The same applies if Wales ever had a referendum on rejoining the EU. The majority would win. So we'd rejoin  .
The last para is not correct. It would be if constituencies were calculated in the same way for Assembly elections as for GE's but they're not (don't ask me why). A Welsh AM represents approx 50,000 people. In Scotland the figure is 46,500 and in NI it's a measly 17,000. | | | |
| WALES HAS NO VOICE IN WESTMINSTER on 15:56 - Feb 27 with 783 views | LeonWasGod |
| WALES HAS NO VOICE IN WESTMINSTER on 13:43 - Feb 27 by Catullus |
The UK doesn't govern devolved matters though.
Otherwise we are just into groundhog day again, pointless.
Apart from that, obviously I agree on the HoL. An outdated, out of touch bunch of "benefits cheats" who need putting out to pasture and replcing with an elected upper chamber. |
On devolution, yeah of course.
We are into groundhog day and yes, it's pointless. But the relationship between the UK and Wales is clearly not the same as the relationship between the UK and the EU (as was). I get it, people don't like the EU. Fine. But to claim the relationships are/were the same is not correct. |  | | |
| WALES HAS NO VOICE IN WESTMINSTER on 21:59 - Feb 27 with 744 views | Kilkennyjack |
| WALES HAS NO VOICE IN WESTMINSTER on 13:15 - Feb 27 by Catullus |
The Irish are happy to stay and it's their choice, should we decide what to based on another country's choice?
Wales' choice was made at the ballot box (to leave the EU) nd Wales is happy to stay in the UK, THAT is our choice.
You go on to say the current arrangements cannot stand well that is your opinion. My opinion is current arrangements cannot change until it's what the majority want. If the majority want change but WEstminster/Downing Street won't allow us then it will be time to start taking action.
For the record, I want to stay in the UK but if the majority voted a different way or it can be proven that the majority of public opinion is behind independence then I will back it. I will still be saying I want to stay but I will still go with the majority and try to make it work. |
Not really.
Leave beat Remain in Wales by circa 80,000 votes.
So if about 40,001 people changed their minds, then Wales would be Remain.
So less than the population of Llanelli. Very close.
But Wales has voted since the EU Ref.
Pro-Remain parties have had more votes than Pro-Leave parties.
Thats just a fact.
In GE19 the Brexit party got just 5.4 % of the vote.
Not close at all.
Wales would vote to rejoin EU tomorrow.
Thank you for supporting the inevitability of Indy Wales, welcome aboard. |  |
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| WALES HAS NO VOICE IN WESTMINSTER on 11:37 - Feb 28 with 709 views | Catullus |
| WALES HAS NO VOICE IN WESTMINSTER on 21:59 - Feb 27 by Kilkennyjack |
Not really.
Leave beat Remain in Wales by circa 80,000 votes.
So if about 40,001 people changed their minds, then Wales would be Remain.
So less than the population of Llanelli. Very close.
But Wales has voted since the EU Ref.
Pro-Remain parties have had more votes than Pro-Leave parties.
Thats just a fact.
In GE19 the Brexit party got just 5.4 % of the vote.
Not close at all.
Wales would vote to rejoin EU tomorrow.
Thank you for supporting the inevitability of Indy Wales, welcome aboard. |
More spinning of facts and baseless assertions.
How Wales would vote can only be known after the votes are counted, what you believe and what is fact is probably different and impossible to know.
I'm not supporting the inevitability of anything other than the debate and vote happening one day. I am supporting what the majority want even if it's not what I voted for because that is how our democracy is supposed to work. | |
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