| The Duke of Cambridge 16:48 - May 22 with 2726 views | YrAlarch |
So now they have him making political statements. So much for the so-called neutrality of the monarchy.
Ms Sturgeon will not be happy, I guess.
I recall the Queen entering the fray last time around. |  | | |  |
| The Duke of Cambridge on 16:57 - May 22 with 2045 views | onehunglow |
Who are "they"? | |
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| The Duke of Cambridge on 17:00 - May 22 with 2040 views | YrAlarch |
| The Duke of Cambridge on 16:57 - May 22 by onehunglow |
Who are "they"? |
The pro union establishment. | | | |
| The Duke of Cambridge on 18:08 - May 22 with 1993 views | onehunglow |
The pro union establishment .That is YOUR definition
I see.
So you,re a welsh speaking ,English hating indy then.
That explains it all
You are so full of hate and division its painful to behold
thanks | |
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| The Duke of Cambridge on 21:33 - May 22 with 1972 views | 73__73 |
| The Duke of Cambridge on 17:00 - May 22 by YrAlarch |
The pro union establishment. |
Give me the Union 🇬🇧 any day, over a basket case socialist Wales 😂 | |
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| The Duke of Cambridge on 21:44 - May 22 with 1969 views | Kilkennyjack |
| The Duke of Cambridge on 18:08 - May 22 by onehunglow |
The pro union establishment .That is YOUR definition
I see.
So you,re a welsh speaking ,English hating indy then.
That explains it all
You are so full of hate and division its painful to behold
thanks |
I agree with his definition.
Its clear to see if you open your eyes. |  |
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| The Duke of Cambridge on 08:23 - May 23 with 1917 views | YrAlarch |
| The Duke of Cambridge on 18:08 - May 22 by onehunglow |
The pro union establishment .That is YOUR definition
I see.
So you,re a welsh speaking ,English hating indy then.
That explains it all
You are so full of hate and division its painful to behold
thanks |
There you go, missing the point, making assumptions, being personal.
I am sorry you feel the pain. Seriously.
But I'm cool with your outrageous accusations, to be honest. | | | |
| The Duke of Cambridge on 08:38 - May 23 with 1912 views | felixstowe_jack |
| The Duke of Cambridge on 21:44 - May 22 by Kilkennyjack |
I agree with his definition.
Its clear to see if you open your eyes. |
Which statement is that?
The majority people who believe in a United Kingdom have as much right to their opinions as the minority who want independence.
That is how democratic process works. | |
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| The Duke of Cambridge on 10:35 - May 23 with 1896 views | YrAlarch |
| The Duke of Cambridge on 18:08 - May 22 by onehunglow |
The pro union establishment .That is YOUR definition
I see.
So you,re a welsh speaking ,English hating indy then.
That explains it all
You are so full of hate and division its painful to behold
thanks |
Remember (perhaps you don't) the current UK Government (i.e. the Establishment) is in the hands of the Conservative AND UNIONIST Party. | | | |
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| The Duke of Cambridge on 10:39 - May 23 with 1890 views | felixstowe_jack |
| The Duke of Cambridge on 10:35 - May 23 by YrAlarch |
Remember (perhaps you don't) the current UK Government (i.e. the Establishment) is in the hands of the Conservative AND UNIONIST Party. |
Correct the government of the day is always the establishment.
The voters of the United Kingdom democratically elected them. | |
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| The Duke of Cambridge on 10:43 - May 23 with 1890 views | Catullus |
| The Duke of Cambridge on 17:00 - May 22 by YrAlarch |
The pro union establishment. |
But surely when it comes to the Union it's a given that the Monarchy support it, it was their creation after all.
The polls suggest most people in Wales are pro Union but they're not part of the "establishment" though I'm not a great believer in polls and the only way we will know for sure is to have the vote. Even in saying that, of those who voted (Senedd elections) the vast majority voted for Pro Union parties. | |
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| The Duke of Cambridge on 10:49 - May 23 with 1880 views | onehunglow |
Establishment is a word of contempt if people would only open their eyes and more importantly their hearts.
Clearly,killykenny has a new kindred spirit in Moaning Man.
Indy is all about hate and the vast majority of welsh people see it.They are not stupid.
There again,the Welsh Establishment is something I despised . | |
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| The Duke of Cambridge on 11:41 - May 23 with 1868 views | YrAlarch |
| The Duke of Cambridge on 10:43 - May 23 by Catullus |
But surely when it comes to the Union it's a given that the Monarchy support it, it was their creation after all.
The polls suggest most people in Wales are pro Union but they're not part of the "establishment" though I'm not a great believer in polls and the only way we will know for sure is to have the vote. Even in saying that, of those who voted (Senedd elections) the vast majority voted for Pro Union parties. |
The union of England and Scotland was not the creation of the monarchy. It was an accident of birth and death and the two countries may have remained separate were it not for that.
The union with Ireland was a political creation. | | | |
| The Duke of Cambridge on 11:49 - May 23 with 1865 views | YrAlarch |
| The Duke of Cambridge on 10:49 - May 23 by onehunglow |
Establishment is a word of contempt if people would only open their eyes and more importantly their hearts.
Clearly,killykenny has a new kindred spirit in Moaning Man.
Indy is all about hate and the vast majority of welsh people see it.They are not stupid.
There again,the Welsh Establishment is something I despised . |
'Establishment' is NOT a word of contempt. 'Indy', as you put it, is NOT all about hate, it is a legitimate political movement, whether you agree with it or not. You really have some strange thoughts, if I may mention, to be honest. | | | |
| The Duke of Cambridge on 12:03 - May 23 with 1859 views | Catullus |
| The Duke of Cambridge on 11:41 - May 23 by YrAlarch |
The union of England and Scotland was not the creation of the monarchy. It was an accident of birth and death and the two countries may have remained separate were it not for that.
The union with Ireland was a political creation. |
The Union of England and Scotland was an act of Parliament during James 1 reign. Ireland was pretty much forced into it as was Wales, Scotland joined willingly though. It was driven by the monarchy mostly with Edward Longshanks warmongering, determined to create his own empire being largely the start of things.
The union of crowns, which is what I guess you mean by an accident of birth, was the monarchy bringing the two countries together.
The English monarchy had long tried to force the issue. | |
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| The Duke of Cambridge on 15:35 - May 23 with 1814 views | Kilkennyjack |
| The Duke of Cambridge on 11:49 - May 23 by YrAlarch |
'Establishment' is NOT a word of contempt. 'Indy', as you put it, is NOT all about hate, it is a legitimate political movement, whether you agree with it or not. You really have some strange thoughts, if I may mention, to be honest. |
Perch struggles with anything that was not in Vogue in 1973.
Indy has done his head in, pity mun. | |
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| The Duke of Cambridge on 15:36 - May 23 with 1813 views | Flashberryjack |
| The Duke of Cambridge on 10:39 - May 23 by felixstowe_jack |
Correct the government of the day is always the establishment.
The voters of the United Kingdom democratically elected them. |
I think a few on here fail to grasp the meaning of "democracy" |  |
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| The Duke of Cambridge on 15:41 - May 23 with 1808 views | onehunglow |
| The Duke of Cambridge on 15:35 - May 23 by Kilkennyjack |
Perch struggles with anything that was not in Vogue in 1973.
Indy has done his head in, pity mun. |
Normally it’s 1974 so you re drifting backwards .
And why Perch.
Answer ... | |
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| The Duke of Cambridge on 15:42 - May 23 with 1809 views | Kilkennyjack |
| The Duke of Cambridge on 10:43 - May 23 by Catullus |
But surely when it comes to the Union it's a given that the Monarchy support it, it was their creation after all.
The polls suggest most people in Wales are pro Union but they're not part of the "establishment" though I'm not a great believer in polls and the only way we will know for sure is to have the vote. Even in saying that, of those who voted (Senedd elections) the vast majority voted for Pro Union parties. |
Drakeford was specifically against the status quo.
To try to even suggest a vote for Welsh labour was a pro-union vote is to mislead.
This is what Drakers actually said ... the current UK ...’is over’ ....
‘THE United Kingdom “is over” and a new union should be crafted to reflect a “voluntary association of four nations”, Wales’ First Minister has said.
Mark Drakeford warned the break-up of the UK was possible if politicians only offered a “tweaking of the status quo”, and said Boris Johnson’s lack of engagement with the devolved nations undermined efforts to keep them together.’
Thats what welsh people voted for. ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ·ó ¬ó ³ó ¿ | |
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| The Duke of Cambridge on 15:44 - May 23 with 1807 views | Kilkennyjack |
| The Duke of Cambridge on 15:41 - May 23 by onehunglow |
Normally it’s 1974 so you re drifting backwards .
And why Perch.
Answer ... |
Its simply cos its short and i can remember it.
Onehunglow escapes my old brain and is way too long.
Give me a short, sharp alternative and i will use that. 👠| |
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| The Duke of Cambridge on 15:46 - May 23 with 1805 views | onehunglow |
| The Duke of Cambridge on 15:44 - May 23 by Kilkennyjack |
Its simply cos its short and i can remember it.
Onehunglow escapes my old brain and is way too long.
Give me a short, sharp alternative and i will use that. 👠|
Pathetic response.
We are trying move away from old agenda
Old usernames have often poor connotations . | |
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| The Duke of Cambridge on 16:33 - May 23 with 1787 views | Kilkennyjack |
| The Duke of Cambridge on 15:46 - May 23 by onehunglow |
Pathetic response.
We are trying move away from old agenda
Old usernames have often poor connotations . |
Its true.
I will use OHL.
Never will use the former name again. | |
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| The Duke of Cambridge on 17:59 - May 23 with 1747 views | Catullus |
| The Duke of Cambridge on 15:42 - May 23 by Kilkennyjack |
Drakeford was specifically against the status quo.
To try to even suggest a vote for Welsh labour was a pro-union vote is to mislead.
This is what Drakers actually said ... the current UK ...’is over’ ....
‘THE United Kingdom “is over” and a new union should be crafted to reflect a “voluntary association of four nations”, Wales’ First Minister has said.
Mark Drakeford warned the break-up of the UK was possible if politicians only offered a “tweaking of the status quo”, and said Boris Johnson’s lack of engagement with the devolved nations undermined efforts to keep them together.’
Thats what welsh people voted for. ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ·ó ¬ó ³ó ¿ |
You are the one trying to mislead. Drakeford has said there must be change but he has always said he is against Welsh Independence, he has in fact been quite forceful in that. It's you indy supporters who try to dress it up as somehow support for indy, it's not an never has been.
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/mark-drakeford-says-referendum
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-48923999
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/what-mark-drakeford-said-asked-19754
In Drakefords own words, he's not even Indy curious as Plaid tried to claim. You are so wrong, again. | |
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| The Duke of Cambridge on 18:01 - May 23 with 1745 views | londonlisa2001 |
| The Duke of Cambridge on 15:42 - May 23 by Kilkennyjack |
Drakeford was specifically against the status quo.
To try to even suggest a vote for Welsh labour was a pro-union vote is to mislead.
This is what Drakers actually said ... the current UK ...’is over’ ....
‘THE United Kingdom “is over” and a new union should be crafted to reflect a “voluntary association of four nations”, Wales’ First Minister has said.
Mark Drakeford warned the break-up of the UK was possible if politicians only offered a “tweaking of the status quo”, and said Boris Johnson’s lack of engagement with the devolved nations undermined efforts to keep them together.’
Thats what welsh people voted for. ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ·ó ¬ó ³ó ¿ |
Drakeford supports devomax though as he thinks it’s the only way of preventing the breakup of the U.K. its a defensive position. Defending the union.
It’s not consistent with your position pro Indy. In some ways it’s the position most likely to avoid it. | | | |
| The Duke of Cambridge on 20:57 - May 23 with 1706 views | Kilkennyjack |
| The Duke of Cambridge on 18:01 - May 23 by londonlisa2001 |
Drakeford supports devomax though as he thinks it’s the only way of preventing the breakup of the U.K. its a defensive position. Defending the union.
It’s not consistent with your position pro Indy. In some ways it’s the position most likely to avoid it. |
Now then, what happens when Johnson says no to devomax ?
Does Drakers just shrug and say fair enough, gov ?
Or does it move him on the same journey many of us have been on when faced with never ending Tory rule from Westminster ?
I think its the latter, especially as over half Welsh Labour votes are pro-Indy.
Welsh Labour getting behind Indy is a game changer.
You heard it here first.
On the other hand ....if he delivers Devomax then many would be prepared to give that a go. Sadly its not going to happen is it ?
Scotland is some leverage for Drakers.
Devomax for Cymru might even create a Devomax Scotland option. Otherwise Scotland is gone. | |
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| The Duke of Cambridge on 21:07 - May 23 with 1702 views | felixstowe_jack |
| The Duke of Cambridge on 15:42 - May 23 by Kilkennyjack |
Drakeford was specifically against the status quo.
To try to even suggest a vote for Welsh labour was a pro-union vote is to mislead.
This is what Drakers actually said ... the current UK ...’is over’ ....
‘THE United Kingdom “is over” and a new union should be crafted to reflect a “voluntary association of four nations”, Wales’ First Minister has said.
Mark Drakeford warned the break-up of the UK was possible if politicians only offered a “tweaking of the status quo”, and said Boris Johnson’s lack of engagement with the devolved nations undermined efforts to keep them together.’
Thats what welsh people voted for. ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ·ó ¬ó ³ó ¿ |
Official labour party policy is to remain part of the UK
Only 20% of Welsh voters want independence.
The people of Wales voted for the unionist parties who had 80% of votes. Plaid's share fell to 20%.
Drakeford should listen to the people who voted for him they want to remain in the United Kingdom. | |
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