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This combines the best of 2 worlds, the Electric Vehicle with Hydrogen. It replaces the big heavy battery with stored Hydrogen and a Hydrogen fuel cell. But it supposedly overcomes the problem of storing the Hydrogen under very high pressure and should there prevent the majority of Hydrogen leaks and explosions.
Whether it will ever come to anything remains to be seen, they talk a good talk.
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A post for those interested in future technologies. on 16:04 - Nov 21 with 780 views
A post for those interested in future technologies. on 15:38 - Nov 21 by Catullus
You don't like the tech? What's the problem then?
It doesn't work, it's dangerous so until it does work and is safe we can ignore it.
If somebody else insults you does that give you the right to insult me? Now that you insulted me does that give me the right to insult you?
The Prof, by the way, has spoken to people who are experts in these fields, he understands the information and data which is more than you or I do.
I neither like or dislike it, it should lead to cleaner vehicles, but may work out expensive, even though they say it is cheaper than batteries.
There you go, "It doesn't work, it's dangerous so until it does work and is safe we can ignore it."
Where do you get that information from?
I insulted you, if that is what you want to call it, because you were and still are ignoring the actual technology and attacking it's veracity because I posted it and tried to explain how it works. What do you call it when a poster attacks a subject based on who posted it rather than on the actual subject itself?
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A post for those interested in future technologies. on 16:06 - Nov 21 with 776 views
A post for those interested in future technologies. on 16:03 - Nov 21 by felixstowe_jack
They don't cost anywhere near £10,000 more than a petrol or diesel equivalent.
I wouldn't pay 10k for a car never mind 10k more.
My current car was 6,500k If I can't buy a petrol car anymore and can't afford an EV, then what? No car I guess. AS soon as my son can drive I'm giving it up anyway so 4/5 years.
A post for those interested in future technologies. on 13:07 - Nov 21 by Catullus
Ok then, you said,
"But it supposedly overcomes the problem of storing the Hydrogen under very high pressure and should there prevent the majority of Hydrogen leaks and explosions."
So it only supposedly overcomes the problem and when you say majority, how big is that majority, does it cut out 60/70/80 or 90% of explosions. Then , if the biggest risk is at refuelling, what if a refuelling station is full and a car goes boom, will they all go up? That's assuming a refuelling station holds multiple cars.
Again it's a safety issue. You like this tech though so you'll push it. Yet with vaccines....
You know what I find odd, you are an engineer, you worked for Ford so I can accept you know more about this than me. What's odd is that the professor is an expert in his field yet you won't believe him.
Maybe as an ex Ford employee I should just call you a paid liar? Are you just a stooge for the tech company here? I don't really believe that mind, I'm just pointing out that while you refuse to believe an expert in his field you somehow expect others to believe you.
PS, name calling, naughty boy, you know it's not allowed.
"Maybe as an ex Ford employee I should just call you a paid liar? Are you just a stooge for the tech company here? "
BOOM!
It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan
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A post for those interested in future technologies. on 19:35 - Nov 21 with 741 views
A post for those interested in future technologies. on 10:40 - Nov 21 by A_Fans_Dad
Why do you want to pay around £10,000 more for an EV, do you have money to burn? Because most of us don't.
The initial outlay MAYBE more expensive but the running costs will be significantly lower The main thing that drives up the costs of an electric car is the battery installed in the vehicle’s underbody. It accounts for about one-third of the purchase price but year on the cost has fallen substantially . When it comes to depreciation, electric cars hold their value twice as well as petrol cars, only losing 12 per cent of their value per year compared to 24 per cent for the petrol cars.
"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."
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A post for those interested in future technologies. on 19:56 - Nov 21 with 739 views
A post for those interested in future technologies. on 16:03 - Nov 21 by felixstowe_jack
They don't cost anywhere near £10,000 more than a petrol or diesel equivalent.
Well that depends on the Car doesn't it? Lower priced cars for you to check Mini 3 door. Volkswagen Up Volkswagen Golf Peugot 208 and 3008 Vauxhall Corsa
All pretty much around the £9000-£10000 price difference. Perhaps you could provide some prices that have much smaller price differences.
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A post for those interested in future technologies. on 20:52 - Nov 21 with 721 views
A post for those interested in future technologies. on 19:35 - Nov 21 by Boundy
The initial outlay MAYBE more expensive but the running costs will be significantly lower The main thing that drives up the costs of an electric car is the battery installed in the vehicle’s underbody. It accounts for about one-third of the purchase price but year on the cost has fallen substantially . When it comes to depreciation, electric cars hold their value twice as well as petrol cars, only losing 12 per cent of their value per year compared to 24 per cent for the petrol cars.
The only reason that the EV running costs are cheaper is because all petrol and diesel car owners are subsidising the cost of the electricity. Almost 70% of the price of petrol is TAX, if Electric cars had to pay the equivelent tax or the tax was removed from petrol they would not be more economical. So let's consider my position, my Kia Picanto is 7.5 years old and has done 8600 miles in that time. At an approximate cost of 7 miles per £ it has cost me about £1228 in fuel costs. So to recoup £10,000 I would need to run an EV version another 43 years to break even.
I don't think I will bother.
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A post for those interested in future technologies. on 21:20 - Nov 21 with 711 views
A post for those interested in future technologies. on 20:52 - Nov 21 by A_Fans_Dad
The only reason that the EV running costs are cheaper is because all petrol and diesel car owners are subsidising the cost of the electricity. Almost 70% of the price of petrol is TAX, if Electric cars had to pay the equivelent tax or the tax was removed from petrol they would not be more economical. So let's consider my position, my Kia Picanto is 7.5 years old and has done 8600 miles in that time. At an approximate cost of 7 miles per £ it has cost me about £1228 in fuel costs. So to recoup £10,000 I would need to run an EV version another 43 years to break even.
I don't think I will bother.
" The only reason that the EV running costs are cheaper is because all petrol and diesel car owners are subsidising the cost of the electricity." . Honestly, We always have & will continue to pay a large proportion of the cost of fuel as Tax , that will never change as its a major source of income for the treasury. so you can forget that as a comparison . Your Kia Picanto is depreciating as I type this and at at at 7.5 years its lost more than 63% of its original value .EV lose value slower at an equivalent rate have less moving parts so no gearbox and with it a clutch replacement for example and an EV is over 50% cheaper to run . If you lease an EV then the BIK Zero emission EVs (BEVs) are zero-rated standard tax for both the first year and all subsequent years. That means you don't pay any road tax on a pure electric vehicle so another saving .
"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."
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A post for those interested in future technologies. on 23:13 - Nov 21 with 696 views
A post for those interested in future technologies. on 21:20 - Nov 21 by Boundy
" The only reason that the EV running costs are cheaper is because all petrol and diesel car owners are subsidising the cost of the electricity." . Honestly, We always have & will continue to pay a large proportion of the cost of fuel as Tax , that will never change as its a major source of income for the treasury. so you can forget that as a comparison . Your Kia Picanto is depreciating as I type this and at at at 7.5 years its lost more than 63% of its original value .EV lose value slower at an equivalent rate have less moving parts so no gearbox and with it a clutch replacement for example and an EV is over 50% cheaper to run . If you lease an EV then the BIK Zero emission EVs (BEVs) are zero-rated standard tax for both the first year and all subsequent years. That means you don't pay any road tax on a pure electric vehicle so another saving .
I don't pay any road tax either. My Picanto cost £8700 and is currently worth approximately £3000. So I have lost £5700 in 7.5 years, about £800/year. The only replacement parts are a brake seal, 1 set of windscreen wipers, a battery and a set of tyres 1 from wear, 3 from ageing (splitting). All of which can apply to an EV. Like I said EVs are only 50% cheaper to run is because you don't pay any Duty, if the duty was added to the Electricity they wouldn't be any cheaper.
A post for those interested in future technologies. on 23:13 - Nov 21 by A_Fans_Dad
I don't pay any road tax either. My Picanto cost £8700 and is currently worth approximately £3000. So I have lost £5700 in 7.5 years, about £800/year. The only replacement parts are a brake seal, 1 set of windscreen wipers, a battery and a set of tyres 1 from wear, 3 from ageing (splitting). All of which can apply to an EV. Like I said EVs are only 50% cheaper to run is because you don't pay any Duty, if the duty was added to the Electricity they wouldn't be any cheaper.
You would pay tax on if registered now though. EVs initial purchase prices is still beyond many people. Not that you would know by the number of Teslas around here. Infrastructure not there either. Out town car park and the nearby merseyrail park and ride have chargers, but no workplace charging around here as yet.
So had a read about hydrogen in matrices-not that god awful video. The tech is not banned, the video is incorrect. It was funded by the US Department of Energy, but the program was cut by both Obama and Trump. There seem to be two ways of getting a matrix-theoretically using graphene and practically using metals-so the matrix forms a metal hydride. As far as I can see the problems are the metal (same issues as batteries), weight as the cells are still too large for a personal vehicles, its not clear how the cells will degrade over time and re-charging with hydrogen seems to be an issue. They will work, but the range is going to be too low unless there is a real change in the tech.
Problem is batteries are getting the investment and have become the established technology in the marketplace. Only seems like Hyundai are taking hydrogen seriously from the manufacturers- OK for you as you may get a H2 powered Picanto. We may get out daughter an i10 for placements next year.
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A post for those interested in future technologies. on 09:35 - Nov 22 with 648 views
A post for those interested in future technologies. on 16:04 - Nov 21 by A_Fans_Dad
I neither like or dislike it, it should lead to cleaner vehicles, but may work out expensive, even though they say it is cheaper than batteries.
There you go, "It doesn't work, it's dangerous so until it does work and is safe we can ignore it."
Where do you get that information from?
I insulted you, if that is what you want to call it, because you were and still are ignoring the actual technology and attacking it's veracity because I posted it and tried to explain how it works. What do you call it when a poster attacks a subject based on who posted it rather than on the actual subject itself?
I got that info from you when you said it stops the majority of explosions, you kind of gave it away.
The majority, you see, is a large area, 51% is a majority so there could still be a lot of explosions.
I didn't attack the tech, again that's your perception. I said it's useless til it's safe which is a fact. How many people will buy a car with a large chance of it exploding when they try to refuel it? I pointed out the reality, I didn't attack the subject. Then, when you had a go at me I pointed out the contradiction in your approach
A post for those interested in future technologies. on 19:35 - Nov 21 by Boundy
The initial outlay MAYBE more expensive but the running costs will be significantly lower The main thing that drives up the costs of an electric car is the battery installed in the vehicle’s underbody. It accounts for about one-third of the purchase price but year on the cost has fallen substantially . When it comes to depreciation, electric cars hold their value twice as well as petrol cars, only losing 12 per cent of their value per year compared to 24 per cent for the petrol cars.
Depreciation for EV's is only lower because of the limited supply of second hand vehicles - just supply & demand. That'll change over the next few years.
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A post for those interested in future technologies. on 13:56 - Nov 22 with 617 views
A post for those interested in future technologies. on 19:35 - Nov 21 by Boundy
The initial outlay MAYBE more expensive but the running costs will be significantly lower The main thing that drives up the costs of an electric car is the battery installed in the vehicle’s underbody. It accounts for about one-third of the purchase price but year on the cost has fallen substantially . When it comes to depreciation, electric cars hold their value twice as well as petrol cars, only losing 12 per cent of their value per year compared to 24 per cent for the petrol cars.
So take a Volkswagen UP, Petrol version £13000, E Up £23000. Petrol depreciation = £3120 Electric depreciation = £2760 Saving £360 Still going to take a while to get your £10000 extra cost back and when you do you will have an old secondhand car with a declining battery.
Like I keep saying EV owners are not paying their way, just like subsidised Solar panel owners, parasites on the rest of society and authorised by the government.
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A post for those interested in future technologies. on 15:01 - Nov 22 with 604 views
A post for those interested in future technologies. on 13:56 - Nov 22 by A_Fans_Dad
So take a Volkswagen UP, Petrol version £13000, E Up £23000. Petrol depreciation = £3120 Electric depreciation = £2760 Saving £360 Still going to take a while to get your £10000 extra cost back and when you do you will have an old secondhand car with a declining battery.
Like I keep saying EV owners are not paying their way, just like subsidised Solar panel owners, parasites on the rest of society and authorised by the government.
there we are then
"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."
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A post for those interested in future technologies. on 19:26 - Nov 24 with 550 views
A post for those interested in future technologies. on 20:52 - Nov 21 by A_Fans_Dad
The only reason that the EV running costs are cheaper is because all petrol and diesel car owners are subsidising the cost of the electricity. Almost 70% of the price of petrol is TAX, if Electric cars had to pay the equivelent tax or the tax was removed from petrol they would not be more economical. So let's consider my position, my Kia Picanto is 7.5 years old and has done 8600 miles in that time. At an approximate cost of 7 miles per £ it has cost me about £1228 in fuel costs. So to recoup £10,000 I would need to run an EV version another 43 years to break even.
I don't think I will bother.
I charge my EV ftom my solar panels for 90% of the time so does not really worry me if about tax on electricity. With the small amount of electricity I use , mainly when I charge away from home That works out at 1p per mile.
A post for those interested in future technologies. on 13:56 - Nov 22 by A_Fans_Dad
So take a Volkswagen UP, Petrol version £13000, E Up £23000. Petrol depreciation = £3120 Electric depreciation = £2760 Saving £360 Still going to take a while to get your £10000 extra cost back and when you do you will have an old secondhand car with a declining battery.
Like I keep saying EV owners are not paying their way, just like subsidised Solar panel owners, parasites on the rest of society and authorised by the government.
Solar panels are now longer subsidised full cost up front. Though they do get paid 5p KW they feed back into the national grid, which the electricity companies then charge you 20p per KW.
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