| New regulations in the uk 13:41 - Nov 29 with 5322 views | KeithHaynes |
Will you be wearing a mask on public transport in shops etc ? |  |
| |  |
| New regulations in the uk on 18:35 - Dec 4 with 687 views | Sirjohnalot |
| New regulations in the uk on 18:30 - Dec 4 by Jack123 |
Yes, my evidence would be I suffer anxiety and distress putting one on.. How could you prove otherwise.. Or if someone said 'I can't breathe with one on' how could you disprove that statement?
Regardless if there are so many people claiming exemption , the point is, if people are being prosecuted for this, they shouldn't be, it's a grey area of law, and nothing is crystal clear. |
You could give evidence of course, you don’t need medical evidence but it would obviously assist. It’s likely that you’d only have to show on a ‘balance of probabilities’ what you were suffering with. In reality you’d likely only be prosecuted if you were doing a Piers Corbyn and gobbling off like him. |  | | |
| New regulations in the uk on 18:53 - Dec 4 with 682 views | Jack123 |
| New regulations in the uk on 18:35 - Dec 4 by Sirjohnalot |
You could give evidence of course, you don’t need medical evidence but it would obviously assist. It’s likely that you’d only have to show on a ‘balance of probabilities’ what you were suffering with. In reality you’d likely only be prosecuted if you were doing a Piers Corbyn and gobbling off like him. |
I must say, I am disappointed with that remark..(Piers Corbyn) Regardless of your feelings towards people, no way in the world can you prosecute someone who has self exempted themselves, it's all there in black and white, doctors are not issuing exemption letters, so the only choice is to self exempt yourself.
Also to add I note, you say 'could give evidence'? There is no need. The evidence is saying I am exempt.
Just re-read that ,with regards to Piers comment, so it's like I said unless you incriminate yourself by saying 'fck mask wearing', I don't believe in them' that kind of stuff, would you agree that if someone says I am exempt a prosecution would be futile? [Post edited 4 Dec 2021 19:01]
|  |
| |
| New regulations in the uk on 19:15 - Dec 4 with 659 views | Gwyn737 |
| New regulations in the uk on 18:53 - Dec 4 by Jack123 |
I must say, I am disappointed with that remark..(Piers Corbyn) Regardless of your feelings towards people, no way in the world can you prosecute someone who has self exempted themselves, it's all there in black and white, doctors are not issuing exemption letters, so the only choice is to self exempt yourself.
Also to add I note, you say 'could give evidence'? There is no need. The evidence is saying I am exempt.
Just re-read that ,with regards to Piers comment, so it's like I said unless you incriminate yourself by saying 'fck mask wearing', I don't believe in them' that kind of stuff, would you agree that if someone says I am exempt a prosecution would be futile? [Post edited 4 Dec 2021 19:01]
|
Could you self exempt yourself from wearing a seat belt because it makes you anxious? |  | | |
| New regulations in the uk on 19:21 - Dec 4 with 658 views | Jack123 |
| New regulations in the uk on 19:15 - Dec 4 by Gwyn737 |
Could you self exempt yourself from wearing a seat belt because it makes you anxious? |
I think regarding seat belts, it's written in law. Without looking it up, I seem to recall back problems and letter from gp, that is written. So everyone knows where they stand, unlike this malarkey with mask wearing. | |
| |
| New regulations in the uk on 19:28 - Dec 4 with 657 views | Sirjohnalot |
| New regulations in the uk on 18:53 - Dec 4 by Jack123 |
I must say, I am disappointed with that remark..(Piers Corbyn) Regardless of your feelings towards people, no way in the world can you prosecute someone who has self exempted themselves, it's all there in black and white, doctors are not issuing exemption letters, so the only choice is to self exempt yourself.
Also to add I note, you say 'could give evidence'? There is no need. The evidence is saying I am exempt.
Just re-read that ,with regards to Piers comment, so it's like I said unless you incriminate yourself by saying 'fck mask wearing', I don't believe in them' that kind of stuff, would you agree that if someone says I am exempt a prosecution would be futile? [Post edited 4 Dec 2021 19:01]
|
Unlikely but not futile.
It depends on the circs, but if you were prosecuted and I was defending you, I’d get authority from you to get a letter from your GP to confirm any medical issue you say have and write to the CPS with that to ask them to drop it.
If it went to trial, subject to how you felt, I’d either just present that letter and not call you or call to give evidence to talk about the effect.
I’d also make an application at the end of the prosecution case to end the case there. That would depend on what you said when asked about it. [Post edited 4 Dec 2021 19:28]
| | | |
| New regulations in the uk on 20:37 - Dec 4 with 634 views | Jack123 |
| New regulations in the uk on 19:28 - Dec 4 by Sirjohnalot |
Unlikely but not futile.
It depends on the circs, but if you were prosecuted and I was defending you, I’d get authority from you to get a letter from your GP to confirm any medical issue you say have and write to the CPS with that to ask them to drop it.
If it went to trial, subject to how you felt, I’d either just present that letter and not call you or call to give evidence to talk about the effect.
I’d also make an application at the end of the prosecution case to end the case there. That would depend on what you said when asked about it. [Post edited 4 Dec 2021 19:28]
|
But there would be no letter from the gp, As I have pointed out earlier in the link I provided, the doctors won't issue a letter to provide you with such proof.
I guarantee you John, the way the law is set, it's unjust to charge anyone with non mask wearing. | |
| |
| New regulations in the uk on 20:42 - Dec 4 with 630 views | Sirjohnalot |
| New regulations in the uk on 20:37 - Dec 4 by Jack123 |
But there would be no letter from the gp, As I have pointed out earlier in the link I provided, the doctors won't issue a letter to provide you with such proof.
I guarantee you John, the way the law is set, it's unjust to charge anyone with non mask wearing. |
Personally, unless it’s extreme, shouting abuse, etc I agree. Courts are overwhelming with work
They won’t provide re an exemption but would re confirming depression etc.which is the same thing really | | | |
| New regulations in the uk on 02:13 - Dec 5 with 595 views | Jack123 |
| New regulations in the uk on 20:42 - Dec 4 by Sirjohnalot |
Personally, unless it’s extreme, shouting abuse, etc I agree. Courts are overwhelming with work
They won’t provide re an exemption but would re confirming depression etc.which is the same thing really |
Regardless of the courts overwhelming , it's a simple question, is it not?
Just looking at the way the law lies, they cant do nothing. Would that be correct? | |
| |
Login to get fewer ads
| New regulations in the uk on 10:23 - Dec 5 with 552 views | RonaldStump |
| New regulations in the uk on 02:13 - Dec 5 by Jack123 |
Regardless of the courts overwhelming , it's a simple question, is it not?
Just looking at the way the law lies, they cant do nothing. Would that be correct? |
H knows they can't do nothing, just doesn't want to admit it. | |
| |
| New regulations in the uk on 12:35 - Dec 5 with 536 views | Sirjohnalot |
| New regulations in the uk on 10:23 - Dec 5 by RonaldStump |
H knows they can't do nothing, just doesn't want to admit it. |
H ? Me ?
Well would be a better option than what Line of Duty came up with | | | |
| New regulations in the uk on 12:45 - Dec 5 with 523 views | Sirjohnalot |
| New regulations in the uk on 02:13 - Dec 5 by Jack123 |
Regardless of the courts overwhelming , it's a simple question, is it not?
Just looking at the way the law lies, they cant do nothing. Would that be correct? |
They can yes. If they reasonably suspect someone is lying, they can be charged. As to whether they would, would depends on the circumstances. It’s not up to me nor will I be likely to be involved in any cases as I’m normally in the Crown court but it’s not true to say they can’t do anything | | | |
| New regulations in the uk on 13:02 - Dec 5 with 516 views | Jack123 |
| New regulations in the uk on 12:45 - Dec 5 by Sirjohnalot |
They can yes. If they reasonably suspect someone is lying, they can be charged. As to whether they would, would depends on the circumstances. It’s not up to me nor will I be likely to be involved in any cases as I’m normally in the Crown court but it’s not true to say they can’t do anything |
But surely suspecting someone of lying, would not hold up in court. I would think the ones prosecuting would need evidence to prove it, and when you can self exempt yourself, that would be the only evidence you require. | |
| |
| New regulations in the uk on 13:34 - Dec 5 with 500 views | Sirjohnalot |
| New regulations in the uk on 13:02 - Dec 5 by Jack123 |
But surely suspecting someone of lying, would not hold up in court. I would think the ones prosecuting would need evidence to prove it, and when you can self exempt yourself, that would be the only evidence you require. |
If someone is charged it is likely it won’t be an everyday person saying they’re exempt and not wearing one. It’s likely to be more than that, some form of anti covid, rant eg. If someone were in court, their defence would be they’re exempt, so they’d need to give evidence re that (subject to what I’ve said above)
Of course a shop can still refuse to allow a person in, exempt or not as long as they make reasonable adjustments eg ask the person what they want and bring shopping to them eg, that wouldn’t place them in breach.
Though as I am apparently ‘H’ I can just make them disappear anyway | | | |
| New regulations in the uk on 13:54 - Dec 5 with 491 views | Jack123 |
| New regulations in the uk on 13:34 - Dec 5 by Sirjohnalot |
If someone is charged it is likely it won’t be an everyday person saying they’re exempt and not wearing one. It’s likely to be more than that, some form of anti covid, rant eg. If someone were in court, their defence would be they’re exempt, so they’d need to give evidence re that (subject to what I’ve said above)
Of course a shop can still refuse to allow a person in, exempt or not as long as they make reasonable adjustments eg ask the person what they want and bring shopping to them eg, that wouldn’t place them in breach.
Though as I am apparently ‘H’ I can just make them disappear anyway |
Ok, say for example Piers Corbyn is in Asda unmasked, 2 police officers walk in and ask him to put a mask on, he says 'wearing a mask is like trying to keep a fart in your trousers', and then runs around the shop shouting 'FREEDOM' the police officers arrest and charge him, but when he goes to court he pleads not guilty, and says he's self exempt.
If he was found guilty, do you think that conviction would be unsafe? | |
| |
| New regulations in the uk on 14:17 - Dec 5 with 478 views | Sirjohnalot |
| New regulations in the uk on 13:54 - Dec 5 by Jack123 |
Ok, say for example Piers Corbyn is in Asda unmasked, 2 police officers walk in and ask him to put a mask on, he says 'wearing a mask is like trying to keep a fart in your trousers', and then runs around the shop shouting 'FREEDOM' the police officers arrest and charge him, but when he goes to court he pleads not guilty, and says he's self exempt.
If he was found guilty, do you think that conviction would be unsafe? |
No but I’d love to see the CCTV | | | |
| New regulations in the uk on 14:43 - Dec 5 with 462 views | Jack123 |
| New regulations in the uk on 14:17 - Dec 5 by Sirjohnalot |
No but I’d love to see the CCTV |
 | |
| |
| New regulations in the uk on 15:07 - Dec 5 with 449 views | onehunglow |
It is up to the Shop to serve or not or have they taken that away.
No mask no sale. | |
| |
| New regulations in the uk on 22:12 - Dec 5 with 408 views | GoldenBear |
| New regulations in the uk on 08:41 - Dec 4 by angryjack |
Some people who are exempt can't wear one due to medical problems do respect works both ways [Post edited 4 Dec 2021 8:47]
|
Then you explain you are exempt, they should accept that, and we all move on. No problem. Tidy. :) |  | | |
| |
By continuing to use the site, you agree to our use of cookies and to abide by our Terms and Conditions.