| Mr Cooper 14:56 - Dec 5 with 3639 views | builthjack |
What reception will he get then ? |  |
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| Mr Cooper on 12:59 - Dec 8 with 799 views | Boundy |
| Mr Cooper on 12:42 - Dec 8 by Dr_Parnassus |
Do you have any statistics to prove the accusation?
If so then I’m happy to look at it. Otherwise it sounds pretty baseless to me.
Trolling again. |
Your statement" It is sad to say it, because it’s clearly not true" I simply asked you can you substantiate that statement .Not sure what trolling was going , perhaps a figment of your imagination, who knows and cares |  |
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| Mr Cooper on 13:16 - Dec 8 with 772 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Mr Cooper on 12:59 - Dec 8 by Boundy |
Your statement" It is sad to say it, because it’s clearly not true" I simply asked you can you substantiate that statement .Not sure what trolling was going , perhaps a figment of your imagination, who knows and cares |
Of course I can, there is no evidence to suggest anyone on here enjoys us losing. It’s a ludicrous statement.
But of course you know that and just getting twitchy because Cooper is about to come to town and people have dug themselves a hole.
They are laying the groundwork that if we do lose then instead of eating a bit of humble pie they will be accusing the sensible among us who correct they lies about him of enjoying it.
Predictable behaviour and straight out of the trolling manual.
If you do have any evidence to substantiate the claim people will enjoy it though, then I’d be happy to take a look. |  |
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| Mr Cooper on 13:21 - Dec 8 with 769 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Mr Cooper on 12:51 - Dec 8 by onehunglow |
Our failure to win play offs was down to Cooper especially when Brentford went a man down. No excuses.
He did achieve a play off place two seasons running.
It is my belief Martin will not.We have been primed not to expect this.
If we lose against Forest I will be nothing like happy no matter what some posters might think.
We all -at least most of us-put the club above personal opinion. If individuals are right or wrong,it matters not. |
Our defeat in the play offs was down to Brentford being better than us.
In our previous 6 meetings prior to that Final which covers Coopers 2 seasons, we lost 11-5 over the course of them. They beat us by 2 goals or more in 50% of those meetings. Their squad was far superior to ours as they are now showing in the Premier League as they occupy 13th position.
Anyone expecting a win or suggesting we should clearly hadn’t been paying attention.
Also Brentford didn’t go a man down, we did. We had 10 men for a third of the game. People conveniently forget that.
A freak red card where his boot got caught in the other players making the challenge look far worse than it was. [Post edited 8 Dec 2021 13:23]
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| Mr Cooper on 13:31 - Dec 8 with 758 views | Whiterockin |
| Mr Cooper on 13:21 - Dec 8 by Dr_Parnassus |
Our defeat in the play offs was down to Brentford being better than us.
In our previous 6 meetings prior to that Final which covers Coopers 2 seasons, we lost 11-5 over the course of them. They beat us by 2 goals or more in 50% of those meetings. Their squad was far superior to ours as they are now showing in the Premier League as they occupy 13th position.
Anyone expecting a win or suggesting we should clearly hadn’t been paying attention.
Also Brentford didn’t go a man down, we did. We had 10 men for a third of the game. People conveniently forget that.
A freak red card where his boot got caught in the other players making the challenge look far worse than it was. [Post edited 8 Dec 2021 13:23]
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We were 2-0 down when we had 11 players on the pitch. We did not have a shot on target when we had 11 players on the pitch. Those as you say are facts. |  | | |
| Mr Cooper on 13:34 - Dec 8 with 751 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Mr Cooper on 13:31 - Dec 8 by Whiterockin |
We were 2-0 down when we had 11 players on the pitch. We did not have a shot on target when we had 11 players on the pitch. Those as you say are facts. |
They are facts yes. Because Brentford were better than us and were consistently better than us for years previous.
The fact you are trying to reduce Coopers successful 2 year reign on losing a single match to a better team when we had 10 men for a third of it says it all.
We have had 12 months of this nonsense though so you are in good company. | |
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| Mr Cooper on 13:39 - Dec 8 with 740 views | Thornburyswan |
| Mr Cooper on 12:43 - Dec 8 by Dr_Parnassus |
He did a fantastic job. Far more than ok.
He equalled Brendan Rodgers’ record who is arguably one of the best managers in the Premier League. |
Statistically he did - & I know you believe all statistics are facts - but we became a side better watched via notifications rather than in the flesh or on a big screen so it qualifies as ‘ok’ for me.
Just to be clear I am aware that is my opinion & not a fact.
PS & to be absolutely clear nowhere near Brendan Rodgers level. | | | |
| Mr Cooper on 13:46 - Dec 8 with 732 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Mr Cooper on 13:39 - Dec 8 by Thornburyswan |
Statistically he did - & I know you believe all statistics are facts - but we became a side better watched via notifications rather than in the flesh or on a big screen so it qualifies as ‘ok’ for me.
Just to be clear I am aware that is my opinion & not a fact.
PS & to be absolutely clear nowhere near Brendan Rodgers level. |
Statistics are facts. We got 80 points, that’s absolutely factual.
We became a side that YOU preferred to watch via notifications maybe, I loved it. I always enjoy it when Swansea are competing at the top end of the table, can’t remember missing a game.
We were of course more attacking under Cooper than we are this season, and most people enjoy attacking side of the game.
We have no idea what level Cooper can get to. He equalled Brendans record League total and has taken bottom of the league Forest to above us very quickly, at a points per game ratio that would net the club around 85 points over the course of a 46 game season.
When he gets a Premier League job we can also compare achievements there. But to pretend he didn’t overachieve here is just bitter nonsense. | |
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| Mr Cooper on 13:58 - Dec 8 with 733 views | Whiterockin |
| Mr Cooper on 13:34 - Dec 8 by Dr_Parnassus |
They are facts yes. Because Brentford were better than us and were consistently better than us for years previous.
The fact you are trying to reduce Coopers successful 2 year reign on losing a single match to a better team when we had 10 men for a third of it says it all.
We have had 12 months of this nonsense though so you are in good company. |
You know from my previous posts that you have replied to, that it is not all down to the Brentford, game its just that was the final straw for many. Do not continue to say that I can not judge the feeling from fellow supporters when I live in the city, meet with them and speak to them, where as you can from the other side of the world. Many supporters wanted him gone long before the play off final. In your world we were all wrong or you insist on not believing it. It just shows how detached you are from what Swansea supporters wanted. | | | |
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| Mr Cooper on 14:01 - Dec 8 with 721 views | Whiterockin |
| Mr Cooper on 13:46 - Dec 8 by Dr_Parnassus |
Statistics are facts. We got 80 points, that’s absolutely factual.
We became a side that YOU preferred to watch via notifications maybe, I loved it. I always enjoy it when Swansea are competing at the top end of the table, can’t remember missing a game.
We were of course more attacking under Cooper than we are this season, and most people enjoy attacking side of the game.
We have no idea what level Cooper can get to. He equalled Brendans record League total and has taken bottom of the league Forest to above us very quickly, at a points per game ratio that would net the club around 85 points over the course of a 46 game season.
When he gets a Premier League job we can also compare achievements there. But to pretend he didn’t overachieve here is just bitter nonsense. |
When he gets a Premier League job we can also compare achievements there.
Opinion again, not possibly a fact because it may or not be in the future. I thought you only posted facts. | | | |
| Mr Cooper on 14:02 - Dec 8 with 712 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Mr Cooper on 13:58 - Dec 8 by Whiterockin |
You know from my previous posts that you have replied to, that it is not all down to the Brentford, game its just that was the final straw for many. Do not continue to say that I can not judge the feeling from fellow supporters when I live in the city, meet with them and speak to them, where as you can from the other side of the world. Many supporters wanted him gone long before the play off final. In your world we were all wrong or you insist on not believing it. It just shows how detached you are from what Swansea supporters wanted. |
Your previous posts referred to the second half of the season. You suggested we blew automatic promotion.
Except as I told you, even had we kept up the form from the first half of the season (which is an incredibly unfair expectation given our squad) then we would still have missed out on automatic promotion by quite some distance.
If continuing to progress year on year led to the final straw being losing to a clearly better side then you have to question the sense of those fans that claim it was the “final straw”.
If you accuse Cooper of being negative and lacking attacking intent despite being 4th, then I can only imagine how beside yourself you are now we are less attacking and 14th despite spending millions in transfer fees. [Post edited 8 Dec 2021 14:05]
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| Mr Cooper on 14:03 - Dec 8 with 701 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Mr Cooper on 14:01 - Dec 8 by Whiterockin |
When he gets a Premier League job we can also compare achievements there.
Opinion again, not possibly a fact because it may or not be in the future. I thought you only posted facts. |
Where is the opinion? That’s a fact.
When I wake up I’ll have breakfast, if I don’t wake up then I probably won’t.
Another fact for you.
Although not sure where you have read I only post facts. Only post sense seems more accurate, a lot of which will be factual, yes. [Post edited 8 Dec 2021 14:04]
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| Mr Cooper on 14:04 - Dec 8 with 702 views | Whiterockin |
| Mr Cooper on 14:02 - Dec 8 by Dr_Parnassus |
Your previous posts referred to the second half of the season. You suggested we blew automatic promotion.
Except as I told you, even had we kept up the form from the first half of the season (which is an incredibly unfair expectation given our squad) then we would still have missed out on automatic promotion by quite some distance.
If continuing to progress year on year led to the final straw being losing to a clearly better side then you have to question the sense of those fans that claim it was the “final straw”.
If you accuse Cooper of being negative and lacking attacking intent despite being 4th, then I can only imagine how beside yourself you are now we are less attacking and 14th despite spending millions in transfer fees. [Post edited 8 Dec 2021 14:05]
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No problem with the current situation mate. Enjoying the season and looking forward to a bright future. | | | |
| Mr Cooper on 14:07 - Dec 8 with 688 views | Whiterockin |
| Mr Cooper on 14:03 - Dec 8 by Dr_Parnassus |
Where is the opinion? That’s a fact.
When I wake up I’ll have breakfast, if I don’t wake up then I probably won’t.
Another fact for you.
Although not sure where you have read I only post facts. Only post sense seems more accurate, a lot of which will be factual, yes. [Post edited 8 Dec 2021 14:04]
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More damage limitation when you are pulled. Getting to be a habit. | | | |
| Mr Cooper on 14:09 - Dec 8 with 677 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Mr Cooper on 14:04 - Dec 8 by Whiterockin |
No problem with the current situation mate. Enjoying the season and looking forward to a bright future. |
Which is why people can’t take the people with Cooperitis seriously.
If someone who slated Cooper for lacking attacking intent and not achieving a league position they think we should… suddenly decides they are happy attacking less and being in the bottom half, suggests it was more a vendetta than actual sensible issues they had.
I completely accept anyone who was unhappy with the lack of attacking intent under Cooper and continues to be unhappy with the even less attacking under Martin. The story makes sense.
I can’t be buying the contradicting rubbish trotted out though. Far too transparent to take seriously. [Post edited 8 Dec 2021 14:13]
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| Mr Cooper on 14:10 - Dec 8 with 670 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Mr Cooper on 14:07 - Dec 8 by Whiterockin |
More damage limitation when you are pulled. Getting to be a habit. |
Damage limitation when pulled?
No idea what that means I’m afraid. Explain.
I was gracious enough to explain the post you incorrectly interpreted. Even showed you with a nice example to boot.
Can’t help you further if you don’t want to be corrected. [Post edited 8 Dec 2021 14:10]
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| Mr Cooper on 16:18 - Dec 8 with 606 views | Thornburyswan |
| Mr Cooper on 13:46 - Dec 8 by Dr_Parnassus |
Statistics are facts. We got 80 points, that’s absolutely factual.
We became a side that YOU preferred to watch via notifications maybe, I loved it. I always enjoy it when Swansea are competing at the top end of the table, can’t remember missing a game.
We were of course more attacking under Cooper than we are this season, and most people enjoy attacking side of the game.
We have no idea what level Cooper can get to. He equalled Brendans record League total and has taken bottom of the league Forest to above us very quickly, at a points per game ratio that would net the club around 85 points over the course of a 46 game season.
When he gets a Premier League job we can also compare achievements there. But to pretend he didn’t overachieve here is just bitter nonsense. |
80 points is a fact absolutely - that is not the same as all statistics are facts
As I stated previously my dislike of our style was my preference as is your love of it - the result is only one part of football not everything.
Again I said nothing about his achievement, be it over or under expectation as that depends on your expectation, I personally believe he had a stronger squad than we have now so had he stayed I would have expected a drop off vs last two seasons.
I agree that, so far, we were ‘more attacking’ - although not 100% sure that is a recognised measure - under Cooper vs so far under RM but he has a further season & half to change that comparison for it to be equitable.
I guess our differences lay in our preferences on the eye or style of play vs pure results - I’m a Martinez/Rodgers/Laudrup vs Sousa/Monk/Cooper despite the fact we had similar statistical results, at least for a period of time, under all of them.
Each to their own I guess. | | | |
| Mr Cooper on 16:39 - Dec 8 with 599 views | Boundy |
| Mr Cooper on 13:16 - Dec 8 by Dr_Parnassus |
Of course I can, there is no evidence to suggest anyone on here enjoys us losing. It’s a ludicrous statement.
But of course you know that and just getting twitchy because Cooper is about to come to town and people have dug themselves a hole.
They are laying the groundwork that if we do lose then instead of eating a bit of humble pie they will be accusing the sensible among us who correct they lies about him of enjoying it.
Predictable behaviour and straight out of the trolling manual.
If you do have any evidence to substantiate the claim people will enjoy it though, then I’d be happy to take a look. |
Go on the then its quite simple provide the evidence that what you posted is true. We can put to bed and no harm done . | |
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| Mr Cooper on 23:53 - Dec 8 with 541 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Mr Cooper on 16:18 - Dec 8 by Thornburyswan |
80 points is a fact absolutely - that is not the same as all statistics are facts
As I stated previously my dislike of our style was my preference as is your love of it - the result is only one part of football not everything.
Again I said nothing about his achievement, be it over or under expectation as that depends on your expectation, I personally believe he had a stronger squad than we have now so had he stayed I would have expected a drop off vs last two seasons.
I agree that, so far, we were ‘more attacking’ - although not 100% sure that is a recognised measure - under Cooper vs so far under RM but he has a further season & half to change that comparison for it to be equitable.
I guess our differences lay in our preferences on the eye or style of play vs pure results - I’m a Martinez/Rodgers/Laudrup vs Sousa/Monk/Cooper despite the fact we had similar statistical results, at least for a period of time, under all of them.
Each to their own I guess. |
All statistics are facts. If they aren’t, then they are incorrect statistics.
You name a correct statistic and explain how it isn’t a fact. Shots on target? Possession? Goals scored? You name it.
I didn’t “love” or style, I recognised it was very much the best way we could and should be playing with that squad. People still claim Martin doesn’t have the tools to play the way he wants despite spending almost £5m this year. Spare a thought for Cooper then who only had 20% of that to spend per year.
We are less attacking. We don’t score more goals and we have less goal attempts, I think that’s a fair enough measure.
Martinez/Laudrup/Rodgers - all brought a successful style. They mixed the passing going long often after short passing has moved the opposition around. What we do now cannot be compared to any of those styles because apart from the possession stats, they aren’t remotely similar. | |
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| Mr Cooper on 23:55 - Dec 8 with 540 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Mr Cooper on 16:39 - Dec 8 by Boundy |
Go on the then its quite simple provide the evidence that what you posted is true. We can put to bed and no harm done . |
Post evidence that you don’t beat children on a daily basis.
…. Or do you reckon we should state that you don’t do such a thing unless someone can prove their accusation otherwise?
Same scenario here. If you think Swansea fans enjoy it when we lose, post your proof. That’s quite an accusation.
Until that time, it sounds ludicrous and will be treated as such. | |
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| Mr Cooper on 08:23 - Dec 9 with 498 views | Thornburyswan |
| Mr Cooper on 23:53 - Dec 8 by Dr_Parnassus |
All statistics are facts. If they aren’t, then they are incorrect statistics.
You name a correct statistic and explain how it isn’t a fact. Shots on target? Possession? Goals scored? You name it.
I didn’t “love” or style, I recognised it was very much the best way we could and should be playing with that squad. People still claim Martin doesn’t have the tools to play the way he wants despite spending almost £5m this year. Spare a thought for Cooper then who only had 20% of that to spend per year.
We are less attacking. We don’t score more goals and we have less goal attempts, I think that’s a fair enough measure.
Martinez/Laudrup/Rodgers - all brought a successful style. They mixed the passing going long often after short passing has moved the opposition around. What we do now cannot be compared to any of those styles because apart from the possession stats, they aren’t remotely similar. |
As you asked - statistics are numerical calculations based on previous data used to calculate likely current/future outcomes or inform previous events & it is sensible to include statistical analysis in all outcome based analysis. That said they are not absolute facts.
Example
Footie in recent years has started using xG as a calculation of expected goals from the analysis of games - the very recent Everton vs Arsenal game had a level 1.06 xG for each side, so a draw yes alas for the Arsenal fans Everton nicked it 2-1. Or Watford - Chelsea gave a 0.99 to 0.91 xG in Watford’s favour, so at least a draw for Watford right? Alas for them Chelsea nicked in 1-2.
So whilst I completely agree with you that statistics are very informative & very useful to hold them out as always facts is both incorrect & fundamentally devalues other more human & analytical methods of assessment.
I’ll rest my case on this point as, I hope, we all have more important things to do in our lives than endlessly debate this point/statistic/fact. | | | |
| Mr Cooper on 08:35 - Dec 9 with 474 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Mr Cooper on 08:23 - Dec 9 by Thornburyswan |
As you asked - statistics are numerical calculations based on previous data used to calculate likely current/future outcomes or inform previous events & it is sensible to include statistical analysis in all outcome based analysis. That said they are not absolute facts.
Example
Footie in recent years has started using xG as a calculation of expected goals from the analysis of games - the very recent Everton vs Arsenal game had a level 1.06 xG for each side, so a draw yes alas for the Arsenal fans Everton nicked it 2-1. Or Watford - Chelsea gave a 0.99 to 0.91 xG in Watford’s favour, so at least a draw for Watford right? Alas for them Chelsea nicked in 1-2.
So whilst I completely agree with you that statistics are very informative & very useful to hold them out as always facts is both incorrect & fundamentally devalues other more human & analytical methods of assessment.
I’ll rest my case on this point as, I hope, we all have more important things to do in our lives than endlessly debate this point/statistic/fact. |
xG is a prediction not a factual statistic.
There is a big difference between factual data and predictions based on that data.
Statistics based on what has happened, and not predictions of the future - are facts. What you responded to was the former, not the latter.
So there is no human analytical method that is better than a historical fact, it can only equal it - by stating the exact same thing as the stat does.
You will note I never use xG for that very reason.
The stats I use are facts. Absolute facts at that. Feel free to point out when you see me post a stat that you don’t think is a fact…. But you will struggle. [Post edited 9 Dec 2021 8:43]
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