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he had this to say about your little favourite Macron,
Mr Zelensky strongly criticised the French President for failing to support his country militarily and appeared to suggest Mr Macron was cowering to Vladimir Putin.
Macron pre & since the invasion has met or spoke with Putin no fewer that 11 times which in isolation is good , keeping lines of communications open etc but at times his relationship with Putin has been questioned within France , and in one example he chose to discuss a ‘new architecture of security’ [with Putin], so everyone got suspicious because for them that meant discussing NATO , not a good idea when the purpose of NATO is to protect against potential aggression by Russia
"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."
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Russia invade Ukraine on 21:12 - Mar 28 with 1022 views
Macron pre & since the invasion has met or spoke with Putin no fewer that 11 times which in isolation is good , keeping lines of communications open etc but at times his relationship with Putin has been questioned within France , and in one example he chose to discuss a ‘new architecture of security’ [with Putin], so everyone got suspicious because for them that meant discussing NATO , not a good idea when the purpose of NATO is to protect against potential aggression by Russia
Macron made promises from NATO that he had no mandate, no right to make. Macron also wanted to offer the "Finnish" solution to Putin which meant selling Ukraine out completely.
We all know what Bojo is but even so, that doesn't mean anyone can say Macron is doing so great when he obviously isn't.
Bojo has done better than Macron, Kilky won't like it but it's true. Unless of course, Zelenskyy is lying!
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Russia invade Ukraine on 21:40 - Mar 28 with 994 views
Macron made promises from NATO that he had no mandate, no right to make. Macron also wanted to offer the "Finnish" solution to Putin which meant selling Ukraine out completely.
We all know what Bojo is but even so, that doesn't mean anyone can say Macron is doing so great when he obviously isn't.
Bojo has done better than Macron, Kilky won't like it but it's true. Unless of course, Zelenskyy is lying!
I'm certainly no lover of Johnson but compared to some EU leaders form the off he's certainly led from the front no procrastinations from Boris, other than his stupid comparison with Brexit iimo he's shown a more leadership when it comes to Putin than others.
"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."
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Russia invade Ukraine on 00:22 - Mar 29 with 964 views
Yeah, I posted that link earlier so you're a bit late with it.
It was a political coup yes but not a violent one, he wasn't remove by violence first and foremost. He was removed by Parliament, any violence that followed would have been because he was pushing back maybe?
You are trying to endlessly explain that he was illegally moved but as the link shows, his own Parliament removed him. If that happened here Bojo would have to accept it. Why do you think that if the Ukraine people and politicians wanted Yanukovych sacked, that it is illegal?
Maybe because, yet again, you are making excuses for all this?
i'm sure the 13,000 that died as a result wouldn't agree that it was non violent
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Russia invade Ukraine on 07:32 - Mar 29 with 916 views
Russia invade Ukraine on 20:31 - Mar 28 by majorraglan
Some sources now reporting Roman Abramovich and Ukrainian negotiators suffered symptoms constiuent with poisoning.
Who would have though Russian agents applying nerve agents and poisoning their opposition in a foriegn Country. Wonder if that has happened in the past?
Wonder if Abramovich was their intended target or collateral damage.
Who would have though Russian agents applying nerve agents and poisoning their opposition in a foriegn Country. Wonder if that has happened in the past?
Wonder if Abramovich was their intended target or collateral damage.
Apparently it is only Abramovich who is now claiming he was affected. Both Ukrainians are denying it happened.
I'm a little suspicious Abramovich may be trying to maximise his involvement in the peace process to get his stuff back.
There wasn't a revolt with people dying on the streets before he was violently removed, the violence came afterwards, after Parliament had declared him a traitor. Those Yanukovych snipers, the people they shot were there peacefully protesting about Yanukovych. The people wanted him out.
The evidence says Yanukovych was as corrupt as it gets, living in palatial splendour while most Ukrainians struggled, he even had a private zoo!
There wasn't a revolt with people dying on the streets before he was violently removed, the violence came afterwards, after Parliament had declared him a traitor. Those Yanukovych snipers, the people they shot were there peacefully protesting about Yanukovych. The people wanted him out.
The evidence says Yanukovych was as corrupt as it gets, living in palatial splendour while most Ukrainians struggled, he even had a private zoo!
How can anyone stand up for Yanukovych? Well obviously people who have defended Russia can!
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Every action has consequences. The removal of the Saddam regime and the removal of the Taliban caused untold consequences. There is no such thing as a peaceful coup
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Russia invade Ukraine on 10:46 - Mar 29 with 845 views
Every action has consequences. The removal of the Saddam regime and the removal of the Taliban caused untold consequences. There is no such thing as a peaceful coup
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Yes but you have been arguing that Yanukovych's removal was illegal, that it was a violent coup. But it wasn't a violent coup, the violence came afterwards AND it wasn't illegal either, he was removed by due process and the current government obviously has the backing of the people of Ukraine.
That just makes you wrong.
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Russia invade Ukraine on 10:49 - Mar 29 with 844 views
Every action has consequences. The removal of the Saddam regime and the removal of the Taliban caused untold consequences. There is no such thing as a peaceful coup
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You must have missed the Berlin Wall falling or the Velvet revolution in Czechoslovakia.
"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."
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Russia invade Ukraine on 11:28 - Mar 29 with 830 views
Yes but you have been arguing that Yanukovych's removal was illegal, that it was a violent coup. But it wasn't a violent coup, the violence came afterwards AND it wasn't illegal either, he was removed by due process and the current government obviously has the backing of the people of Ukraine.
That just makes you wrong.
He was removed after a series of violent events in the Ukraine. The violence came before. The coup was supported by the US . I remember watching the violence and demos at the time The Ukranian parliament didn't follow their constitution either
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Russia invade Ukraine on 11:44 - Mar 29 with 826 views
He was removed after a series of violent events in the Ukraine. The violence came before. The coup was supported by the US . I remember watching the violence and demos at the time The Ukranian parliament didn't follow their constitution either
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The violence before was Yanukovych's snipers shooting peaceful protestors. There was no violence from the protestors. Therefore it wasn't a violent coup, it was a violent reaction from a corrupt, deceitful and dishonest Yanukovych. A man his own Parliament chose to depose.
He wasn't thrown out by a violent mob but by democratic process.
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Russia invade Ukraine on 11:53 - Mar 29 with 823 views
The violence before was Yanukovych's snipers shooting peaceful protestors. There was no violence from the protestors. Therefore it wasn't a violent coup, it was a violent reaction from a corrupt, deceitful and dishonest Yanukovych. A man his own Parliament chose to depose.
He wasn't thrown out by a violent mob but by democratic process.
He was made to go as a result of demonstrations and agitation from sources outside as well as in. That's how regime changes happen. Violence happened before and after. 50 were killed in Odessa, by pro Ukranian supporters attacking pro Russian ones. It was basically a civil war. The Ukraine was and is not this beacon of democracy and freedom that many think it is. Of course, it's the people that suffer the most
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Russia invade Ukraine on 11:54 - Mar 29 with 823 views
He was removed after a series of violent events in the Ukraine. The violence came before. The coup was supported by the US . I remember watching the violence and demos at the time The Ukranian parliament didn't follow their constitution either
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The coup was supported (indirectly) by the democratic west. The incumbent government, who the Ukrainian people no longer wanted in power, were supported (directly) by the Russians.
Why this makes it acceptable for Putin to directly target and kill thousands of completely innocent civilians is beyond me.
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Russia invade Ukraine on 12:14 - Mar 29 with 814 views
The coup was supported (indirectly) by the democratic west. The incumbent government, who the Ukrainian people no longer wanted in power, were supported (directly) by the Russians.
Why this makes it acceptable for Putin to directly target and kill thousands of completely innocent civilians is beyond me.
This would be the best explanation that I have seen so far
He was made to go as a result of demonstrations and agitation from sources outside as well as in. That's how regime changes happen. Violence happened before and after. 50 were killed in Odessa, by pro Ukranian supporters attacking pro Russian ones. It was basically a civil war. The Ukraine was and is not this beacon of democracy and freedom that many think it is. Of course, it's the people that suffer the most
I don’t think anybody has suggested that Ukraine was ever a beacon of democracy and freedom.
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Russia invade Ukraine on 14:14 - Mar 29 with 792 views
To me that looks like biased left wing and anti Trump propaganda. There may be an element of truth to the US backing of regime change but Russia directly backed the incumbent regime
How does it justify Russia deliberately killing completely innocent civilians?
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Russia invade Ukraine on 14:23 - Mar 29 with 790 views
To me that looks like biased left wing and anti Trump propaganda. There may be an element of truth to the US backing of regime change but Russia directly backed the incumbent regime
How does it justify Russia deliberately killing completely innocent civilians?
There's no element of truth at all, it's well understood the USA backed it
Civilians are always the casualties in war, this has basically happened since ww1 Collateral damage is the euphemism. We did it in WW2 deliberately and consistently bombing German cities. The Yanks bombed Tokyo, They bombed Hanoi during Vietnam, the list is endless. It's wrong of course, but it's not new
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Russia invade Ukraine on 16:20 - Mar 29 with 753 views
There's no element of truth at all, it's well understood the USA backed it
Civilians are always the casualties in war, this has basically happened since ww1 Collateral damage is the euphemism. We did it in WW2 deliberately and consistently bombing German cities. The Yanks bombed Tokyo, They bombed Hanoi during Vietnam, the list is endless. It's wrong of course, but it's not new
Don't forget it was the Germans who started carpet boming cities and targeting the civilian population during the Blitz with the centre of Swansea flatened during the three night attacks.
Don't forget it was the Germans who started carpet boming cities and targeting the civilian population during the Blitz with the centre of Swansea flatened during the three night attacks.
Not sure about that either. isn't it the case that Churchill used a German mistake to bomb German cities. A few German bombers hit the wrong target didn't they?
Anyway, it's off at a tangent.
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Russia invade Ukraine on 16:35 - Mar 29 with 746 views
He was removed after a series of violent events in the Ukraine. The violence came before. The coup was supported by the US . I remember watching the violence and demos at the time The Ukranian parliament didn't follow their constitution either
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The violent events you refer to, are they the ones in Luhansk and Donetsk? They were part of the reason for the people wanting Yanukovych out but it is my belief they weren't part of the coup, they were part of the Russian backed attempt to seize part of Ukraine. It was those events that led to people protesting in the streets, those protestors were then shot at on Yanukovychs' orders.
Aren't you changing the timeline around to suit your argument?
The trouble you are referring to started in 2014 and it was the following year that Yanukovych was deposed. Moscow backed the separatists in Luhansk and Donestk, Yanukovych went back on a deal with the EU and turned to Moscow instead and became a staunch Putin supporter and that's why the trouble started, isn't it?
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Russia invade Ukraine on 16:37 - Mar 29 with 746 views
Not sure about that either. isn't it the case that Churchill used a German mistake to bomb German cities. A few German bombers hit the wrong target didn't they?
Anyway, it's off at a tangent.
Not sure about that either you will find the Germans actually bombed UK Cities in WW1 using Zeppelins for which there was not defence at the time until incendiary bullets were used to which the hydrogen filled Zeppelins were very vulnerable too. Germany also used massed bombing in the Spanish civil war as well as the WW2 as Rotterdam in May 1940 leading to the surrender of the Netherlands .
Churchill did indeed allow a very small raid on Berlin following a bombing on a UK city.
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