| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 18:28 - Feb 10 with 3132 views | KeithHaynes |
| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 17:57 - Feb 9 by angryjack |
The scumbag lying police done it,its a fit up.. [Post edited 9 Feb 2022 17:58]
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Bloody right mate, all of em did it all at once ðŸ‘😂
And if they didn’t they probably would have had they had the chance.
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| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 18:30 - Feb 10 with 3112 views | onehunglow |
| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 18:28 - Feb 10 by KeithHaynes |
Bloody right mate, all of em did it all at once ðŸ‘😂
And if they didn’t they probably would have had they had the chance.
I love AJ’s posts, never leave us mate. |
I managed to stay out of this car crash thread.
Kill the Bill . |  |
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| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 18:32 - Feb 10 with 3100 views | KeithHaynes |
| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 09:20 - Feb 10 by majorraglan |
It’s a TV programme, the people who heard all the evidence were the jurors who convicted twice.
SWP have, over time got a fair few things wrong but I just can’t see anyone or an organisation covering up 4 murders as is being claimed. |
Even the worst lawyer in the world would prove they did, if they did. | |
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| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 21:36 - Feb 10 with 2982 views | Dr_Winston |
| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 18:32 - Feb 10 by KeithHaynes |
Even the worst lawyer in the world would prove they did, if they did. |
I actually know one of Morris's defence solicitors. To this day she maintains that he was innocent. I also know one of the coppers who arrested him. He's adamant that he was guilty as sin and admitted as much to the first brief who saw to him after his arrest (The confession was watched on the interview room CCTV. Inadmissible, but still telling).
I get people having doubts given SWP's less than stellar record in years gone by, but some of the knots people tie themselves in to try and claim that the local psycho with a long history of violence and a known hatred for Mandy Power was actually innocent, and a massive, to this day unexposed conspiracy took place to frame him for murder are amazing. [Post edited 10 Feb 2022 21:46]
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| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 22:33 - Feb 10 with 2921 views | angryjack |
| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 18:28 - Feb 10 by KeithHaynes |
Bloody right mate, all of em did it all at once ðŸ‘😂
And if they didn’t they probably would have had they had the chance.
I love AJ’s posts, never leave us mate. |
No not all at once but them brothers did it...and thr rest chose to ignore things...swp are proven liars and corrupt bullies. Acab [Post edited 10 Feb 2022 22:36]
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| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 09:46 - Feb 11 with 2844 views | britferry |
| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 12:57 - Feb 10 by angryjack |
He got mixed up where he was and what time,easily done,more evidence points at police but were not used as evidence..complete stitch up by complete corrupt force |
he claimed to have had sex with a woman on Friday afternoon, the following night, the same woman, her mother and 2 daughters are bludgeoned to death... you would clearly remember dates and times. | |
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| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 11:16 - Feb 11 with 2824 views | controversial_jack |
Wasn't one of the police officers married to the police woman who was having an affair with Mandy? Jealousy can be a very strong emotion! | | | |
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| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 12:41 - Feb 11 with 2789 views | whiterock |
The photo-fit is so like the identical twins its uncanny, a woman, driving home late at night, its dark, its raining and she comes up with a picture that's so close it could almost be a picture, I'd struggle to come up with that likeness in broad daylight looking at someone square in the face from a few yards let alone getting a glimpse of someone whilst driving up the hill at perhaps 20mph?
Its said that they both went to the same gym even though she says she'd never seen him before, and as someone else has said, if he had brutally murdered 4 people, he'd hardly be hanging around for people to identify him, he would have known the back paths and woodlands back to Altwen (or where ever he lived at the time) | | | |
| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 12:49 - Feb 11 with 2783 views | whiterock |
| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 22:33 - Feb 10 by angryjack |
No not all at once but them brothers did it...and thr rest chose to ignore things...swp are proven liars and corrupt bullies. Acab [Post edited 10 Feb 2022 22:36]
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I suppose you could say Some CAB, same as life in general | | | |
| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 12:59 - Feb 11 with 2774 views | Wingstandwood |
| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 12:41 - Feb 11 by whiterock |
The photo-fit is so like the identical twins its uncanny, a woman, driving home late at night, its dark, its raining and she comes up with a picture that's so close it could almost be a picture, I'd struggle to come up with that likeness in broad daylight looking at someone square in the face from a few yards let alone getting a glimpse of someone whilst driving up the hill at perhaps 20mph?
Its said that they both went to the same gym even though she says she'd never seen him before, and as someone else has said, if he had brutally murdered 4 people, he'd hardly be hanging around for people to identify him, he would have known the back paths and woodlands back to Altwen (or where ever he lived at the time) |
Photo-fit.....Memorised at the same gym she attended with the Lewis brother! The hairline, the tuft? Hardly the thing you would remember! Remarkable accuracy for a fleeting glimpse whilst moving in the dark and the rain?...Supernatural (NOT!) ability to notice something that would naturally be missed.
Her dubious recollection, changing story, inconstancies and gym visits were further examined in the witness box and of course the jury did not fall for what she said. In fact she wanted the ground to swallow her up when the gym subject was brought up.
Patrick Harrington Q.C i.e. the master critical thinker! Maybe a knighthood one day? |  |
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| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 13:30 - Feb 11 with 2742 views | angryjack |
| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 12:59 - Feb 11 by Wingstandwood |
Photo-fit.....Memorised at the same gym she attended with the Lewis brother! The hairline, the tuft? Hardly the thing you would remember! Remarkable accuracy for a fleeting glimpse whilst moving in the dark and the rain?...Supernatural (NOT!) ability to notice something that would naturally be missed.
Her dubious recollection, changing story, inconstancies and gym visits were further examined in the witness box and of course the jury did not fall for what she said. In fact she wanted the ground to swallow her up when the gym subject was brought up.
Patrick Harrington Q.C i.e. the master critical thinker! Maybe a knighthood one day? |
Let's scrap e fits then..whe
n it suits...ACAB [Post edited 11 Feb 2022 13:30]
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| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 13:32 - Feb 11 with 2739 views | Wingstandwood |
| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 13:30 - Feb 11 by angryjack |
Let's scrap e fits then..whe
n it suits...ACAB [Post edited 11 Feb 2022 13:30]
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| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 13:34 - Feb 11 with 2735 views | angryjack |
| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 13:32 - Feb 11 by Wingstandwood |
Is it me, but do you not like the police? |
Can't stand them mate | | | |
| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 13:39 - Feb 11 with 2721 views | whiterock |
One other thing that puzzles me, Morris says he had an argument with his GF and she left the pub and went home, Morris has a few more pints and thinks its for the best to walk to his mothers in Gendros (5 miles away), he walks 3 miles and doubles back, nothing wrong in that except no one see's a drunken man on a country road, many know this road, it has plenty of traffic from the hospital with people finishing shifts etc, plus others taking the quickest route to GCP (and Clydach) from Morriston, Llangyfelach and Swansea, maybe if someone from the pub had seen him setting off in that direction it would have helped but to my knowledge, no one did, not a great alibi TBH.
Then when getting home at 4am, he washes all his clothes in the washing machine, if someone had been drinking all day and walked over 6 miles, it would have been bed and sort things out in the morning, surely. | | | |
| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 13:41 - Feb 11 with 2721 views | Flashberryjack |
| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 13:34 - Feb 11 by angryjack |
Can't stand them mate |
There are good and bad in any profession, sounds like you've had dealings with the latter.
Guy I knew had ACAB tattooed on his fingers, took him ages to get them removed after a policeman saved his life. |  |
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| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 13:59 - Feb 11 with 2704 views | Minesapint |
| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 17:30 - Feb 9 by britferry |
Just watched the 4 episodes of "Murder in the Valleys"
The whole thing tries to raise doubt on Morris being guilty and tries to blame the 3 Lewis's.
Its one messed up case, from start to finish. Morris first lawyer representing the Lewis's too.
Didn't like the chief inspector saying near the start of the 4th episode "why would a police officer kill 4 people?", well somebody killed the 4, so why not a police officer, they're human too!
The 2nd conviction hinged on one crucial piece of evidence, Morris claimed to have been at Kelvin Rd on the Friday when he left the chain in the bedroom. While he was on the stand, he was quizzed about phone records, which proved he was at home and had made 2 phone calls.
And then you get a University studying the case. Alison Lewis husband Steven, claims he didnt know about the lesbian affair, if he did, then thats a perfect motive. Why wasn't the lead investigator on the night, Stuart Lewis (Alisons brother-in-law) called to the 2nd case?
Steven Lewis claims in police interviews "he was never in the house", then he says "maybe I was in there once or twice" and then "he went upstairs", "he helped Mandy make a cup of tea", he admits even went in the the Grans room and then admits he might have touched the murder weapon because he lifted a tumble dryer out the back for Mandy.
So Ok, if he didn't know his wife was having a relationship, then why was he at the house in the first place?
The witness who didn't come forward for 20 years to protect his family placing Stewart Lewis near the scene making his escape, I found that laughable.
And then finally, you have the sock with Morris DNA... wow, its screwed up, I'm still un-decided. [Post edited 9 Feb 2022 17:32]
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Messed up is right.
I avoided this thread until I had finished all 4 episodes. Agree with all the points you have mentioned.
I have always been convinced from the information presented over the years that Morris was guilty.
I disregarded what the Pugh neighbour said almost immediately in part one so wasnt surprised when a later episode referenced her behaviour in the appeal court.
But..despite all the above, how could Lewis go from never going to Mandy's house to not only remembering visiting there but even going into Doris' bedroom and also carrying a tumble dryer to a shed? That is just bizarre and the only thing that the programme contained which made me question my initial belief.
I am convinced Alison Lewis is genuine and played no part.
One thing which remains unchanged is the utterly horrific way this lovely family died. It really doesnt bear thinking about. | | | |
| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 15:52 - Feb 11 with 2650 views | Wingstandwood |
| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 13:59 - Feb 11 by Minesapint |
Messed up is right.
I avoided this thread until I had finished all 4 episodes. Agree with all the points you have mentioned.
I have always been convinced from the information presented over the years that Morris was guilty.
I disregarded what the Pugh neighbour said almost immediately in part one so wasnt surprised when a later episode referenced her behaviour in the appeal court.
But..despite all the above, how could Lewis go from never going to Mandy's house to not only remembering visiting there but even going into Doris' bedroom and also carrying a tumble dryer to a shed? That is just bizarre and the only thing that the programme contained which made me question my initial belief.
I am convinced Alison Lewis is genuine and played no part.
One thing which remains unchanged is the utterly horrific way this lovely family died. It really doesnt bear thinking about. |
Having 'Pugh' as star witness for the defense (more of a prosecution asset by the way it turned out) was viewed afterwards as 'rubbing salt in the wounds' of an already damned and guilty person! A bit like Baldrick's courtroom scene in Blackadder Goes Forth. Overwhelming damning evidence and now this!
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| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 17:30 - Feb 11 with 2598 views | Flynnidine_Zidownes |
Another thing to consider is the people writing these books and making these documentaries are making a lot of money. They’ve often left certain facts out in order to make their case more convincing. You have to take this stuff with a pinch of salt at the end of the day, it’s just sordid entertainment for most, a bit of bedtime reading. Something to gossip about with your friends the next day.
Whilst everyone is gorging on the opportunity to play Inspector Poirot four people lay dead. | | | |
| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 17:52 - Feb 11 with 2580 views | controversial_jack |
| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 17:30 - Feb 11 by Flynnidine_Zidownes |
Another thing to consider is the people writing these books and making these documentaries are making a lot of money. They’ve often left certain facts out in order to make their case more convincing. You have to take this stuff with a pinch of salt at the end of the day, it’s just sordid entertainment for most, a bit of bedtime reading. Something to gossip about with your friends the next day.
Whilst everyone is gorging on the opportunity to play Inspector Poirot four people lay dead. |
Would you expect them to do it for nothing? | | | |
| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 17:58 - Feb 11 with 2567 views | raynor94 |
| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 17:52 - Feb 11 by controversial_jack |
Would you expect them to do it for nothing? |
What, you condone people making money from people's misery
He was guilty full stop, let's wait for the verdict from the inquest |  |
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| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 18:30 - Feb 11 with 2542 views | Wingstandwood |
| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 17:58 - Feb 11 by raynor94 |
What, you condone people making money from people's misery
He was guilty full stop, let's wait for the verdict from the inquest |
The very words by some of Mandy's/Doris's/Katie's/Emily's closest are "out to make a quick Buck"!
*Edit* An author should at least have the decency to state the truth! [Post edited 11 Feb 2022 18:37]
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| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 19:12 - Feb 11 with 2502 views | Flynnidine_Zidownes |
| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 17:52 - Feb 11 by controversial_jack |
Would you expect them to do it for nothing? |
No but it’s clearly sensationalised. True crime is a massive industry, people are fascinated with the macabre. These books and documentaries are made purely for entertainment, not for some honourable crusade for the truth. The more people that realise this the better. | | | |
| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 19:34 - Feb 11 with 2482 views | Wingstandwood |
| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 19:12 - Feb 11 by Flynnidine_Zidownes |
No but it’s clearly sensationalised. True crime is a massive industry, people are fascinated with the macabre. These books and documentaries are made purely for entertainment, not for some honourable crusade for the truth. The more people that realise this the better. |
Police haters, conspiracy nut-jobs, "well I never" gossipers at the hairdressers and third-rate, two-bob Hetty Wainthropp wannabe incompetent's just love it! The salutary lesson for them would be is to read the actual Crown Court transcripts!
That 'cold-reading' psychologist in the BBC farce that obviously did not read the Crown Court transcripts and gave his 'expert' (NOT) opinion on something that did not even happen.  | |
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| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 20:04 - Feb 11 with 2455 views | Flynnidine_Zidownes |
| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 19:34 - Feb 11 by Wingstandwood |
Police haters, conspiracy nut-jobs, "well I never" gossipers at the hairdressers and third-rate, two-bob Hetty Wainthropp wannabe incompetent's just love it! The salutary lesson for them would be is to read the actual Crown Court transcripts!
That 'cold-reading' psychologist in the BBC farce that obviously did not read the Crown Court transcripts and gave his 'expert' (NOT) opinion on something that did not even happen. |
The truth is the only people who really know what went on that night were the people inside that house and all five of them (probably) are dead. He lied about the chain and had a long history of horrific violent outbursts with his preferred modus operandi being bonking people over the head with an iron bar. | | | |
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