| On This Day in 2013 23:25 - Feb 24 with 2756 views | STID2017 |
Michael Laudrup's Swansea City won the only major trophy in our history to date by beating Bradford City 5-0 at Wembley and got us back into Europe.
He may not have been our most successful league manager to date but for the most part his teams were exciting and a delight to watch
Those who were lucky enough to see them will never forget the first game at QPR or the home game against WBA
Wonderful times and a great manager IMHO [Post edited 24 Feb 2022 23:50]
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| On This Day in 2013 on 14:40 - Feb 26 with 468 views | STID2017 |
| On This Day in 2013 on 12:47 - Feb 26 by Dr_Parnassus |
He spent a season and a half at the club.
First 6 months was excellent, the remaining matches of his tenure yielded less than a point a game.
Do you disagree? |
No-one can call his first season ( a cup and a 9th place finish ) unsuccessful.
Many clubs outside the top six would love to achieve that.
Even his second season saw a quite
successful European campaign which ( as happens at lots of smaller clubs such as ours ) IMHO led to a disappointing showing in the league.
The two seasons were very different.
As we're Tosh's two seasons in the top flight wouldn't you agree ? | |
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| On This Day in 2013 on 19:15 - Feb 26 with 429 views | STID2017 |
| On This Day in 2013 on 01:32 - Feb 25 by Dr_Parnassus |
Going back as far as Martinez, using managers that have managed half a season or longer. so taking out the likes of Curt, the following is true:-
League points per game:-
Clement 1.11
Laudrup 1.13
Martin 1.22
Guidolin 1.26
Monk 1.31
Potter 1.41
Sousa 1.50
Rodgers 1.53
Cooper 1.63
Martinez 1.73 |
So please explain what this shows in relation to each manager ?
Not sure why you posted it, unless it shows the more points gained, the better ( in the league) is the manager ?
So that is saying Clement is our worst league manager and Roberto is the best.
Otherwise not sure why you posted it ? | |
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| On This Day in 2013 on 20:49 - Feb 26 with 416 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| On This Day in 2013 on 14:40 - Feb 26 by STID2017 |
No-one can call his first season ( a cup and a 9th place finish ) unsuccessful.
Many clubs outside the top six would love to achieve that.
Even his second season saw a quite
successful European campaign which ( as happens at lots of smaller clubs such as ours ) IMHO led to a disappointing showing in the league.
The two seasons were very different.
As we're Tosh's two seasons in the top flight wouldn't you agree ? |
Who called his first season unsuccessful?
What was said was he had a good first 6 months and the rest was largely rubbish. After the first 6 months we went at less than a point per game until he was sacked about a year later.
It was an okay European campaign, we qualified just as we should have done. We were in the same group as Kuban Krasnodar and St Gallen. We finished 2nd in that group, which is where we should have done, which we struggled to do actually, crawling over the line not winning any of our last 4 group games.
The poor showing in the league was happening long before Europe. |  |
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| On This Day in 2013 on 21:05 - Feb 26 with 409 views | STID2017 |
| On This Day in 2013 on 20:49 - Feb 26 by Dr_Parnassus |
Who called his first season unsuccessful?
What was said was he had a good first 6 months and the rest was largely rubbish. After the first 6 months we went at less than a point per game until he was sacked about a year later.
It was an okay European campaign, we qualified just as we should have done. We were in the same group as Kuban Krasnodar and St Gallen. We finished 2nd in that group, which is where we should have done, which we struggled to do actually, crawling over the line not winning any of our last 4 group games.
The poor showing in the league was happening long before Europe. |
Is August to May 6 months now then ?
First you said "Who called his first season unsuccessful?"
Then you said "What was said was he had a good first 6 months"
His first season ran from the QPR away game ( 18th Aug 2012 ) to the Fulham home game ( 19th May 2013 )
A period of 9 months.
Plus his decline did not start when we resumed playing in August 2013 either
Hardly 6 months is it ? | |
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| On This Day in 2013 on 21:10 - Feb 26 with 407 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| On This Day in 2013 on 21:05 - Feb 26 by STID2017 |
Is August to May 6 months now then ?
First you said "Who called his first season unsuccessful?"
Then you said "What was said was he had a good first 6 months"
His first season ran from the QPR away game ( 18th Aug 2012 ) to the Fulham home game ( 19th May 2013 )
A period of 9 months.
Plus his decline did not start when we resumed playing in August 2013 either
Hardly 6 months is it ? |
Why would August to May be 6 months?
After the first 6 months, his performance went to less than a point per game. The last 11 games of his first season yielded 8 points. That is pretty much 30% of the league campaign.
I don't know what you are finding difficult about this fact. | |
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| On This Day in 2013 on 21:26 - Feb 26 with 395 views | STID2017 |
| On This Day in 2013 on 21:10 - Feb 26 by Dr_Parnassus |
Why would August to May be 6 months?
After the first 6 months, his performance went to less than a point per game. The last 11 games of his first season yielded 8 points. That is pretty much 30% of the league campaign.
I don't know what you are finding difficult about this fact. |
You just talk nonsense to suit your agenda
No one else looks at a managers record and says he has a good 6 months.
His achievements in that season was a ninth place finish and a major trophy
Monk ( in spite of his style ) got 8th place and no trophies
So I am guessing he must have had some bad periods ?
All managers have h
bad periods
However you cannot knock his achievements that season over the nine months.
To suggest that for four months his record was bad is misleading.
You have to judge him over a season. | |
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| On This Day in 2013 on 21:32 - Feb 26 with 391 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| On This Day in 2013 on 21:26 - Feb 26 by STID2017 |
You just talk nonsense to suit your agenda
No one else looks at a managers record and says he has a good 6 months.
His achievements in that season was a ninth place finish and a major trophy
Monk ( in spite of his style ) got 8th place and no trophies
So I am guessing he must have had some bad periods ?
All managers have h
bad periods
However you cannot knock his achievements that season over the nine months.
To suggest that for four months his record was bad is misleading.
You have to judge him over a season. |
Of course they do, it is a commonly discussed thing about Laudrup that roughly the first 6 months were good and the rest were bad. You seem to be suggesting I am the first to discuss it 
He went at less than a point a game for his last 35 matches, that's not ''a bad spell''. That is consistent poor results. That's the last 57% of his league games. | |
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| On This Day in 2013 on 21:41 - Feb 26 with 382 views | STID2017 |
| On This Day in 2013 on 21:32 - Feb 26 by Dr_Parnassus |
Of course they do, it is a commonly discussed thing about Laudrup that roughly the first 6 months were good and the rest were bad. You seem to be suggesting I am the first to discuss it
He went at less than a point a game for his last 35 matches, that's not ''a bad spell''. That is consistent poor results. That's the last 57% of his league games. |
Where does it get discussed ?
As you oft say can you show me examples of where others ( not you) have commonly discussed it ?
You wont find any examples on here apart from your own, I am sure | |
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| On This Day in 2013 on 21:50 - Feb 26 with 378 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| On This Day in 2013 on 21:41 - Feb 26 by STID2017 |
Where does it get discussed ?
As you oft say can you show me examples of where others ( not you) have commonly discussed it ?
You wont find any examples on here apart from your own, I am sure |
Discussed what exactly? The first 6/7 months being good and the rest no so?
Everywhere, the media, on here - were you living in a cave at the time?
The search facility isn't great on this site, especially when looking for 8 years old threads, but you know that.
I read a thread randomly yesterday where Dr Winston was saying that after the first 7 months it was nothing to write home about. | |
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| On This Day in 2013 on 22:22 - Feb 26 with 361 views | STID2017 |
| On This Day in 2013 on 21:50 - Feb 26 by Dr_Parnassus |
Discussed what exactly? The first 6/7 months being good and the rest no so?
Everywhere, the media, on here - were you living in a cave at the time?
The search facility isn't great on this site, especially when looking for 8 years old threads, but you know that.
I read a thread randomly yesterday where Dr Winston was saying that after the first 7 months it was nothing to write home about. |
No one discusses it because no one except you believes it
I have read posts which often talk about Laudrup with great reverence.
Strange though that when it suits you can find quotes from any number of posts to supposedly support your points.
Now "The search facility isn't great on this site, especially when looking for 8 years old threads, but you know that."
Strange that.
Actually I am sure you could find them - except maybe they don't exist ? | |
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| On This Day in 2013 on 22:24 - Feb 26 with 360 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| On This Day in 2013 on 22:22 - Feb 26 by STID2017 |
No one discusses it because no one except you believes it
I have read posts which often talk about Laudrup with great reverence.
Strange though that when it suits you can find quotes from any number of posts to supposedly support your points.
Now "The search facility isn't great on this site, especially when looking for 8 years old threads, but you know that."
Strange that.
Actually I am sure you could find them - except maybe they don't exist ? |
Of course they exist, ask the Dr W yourself if you like, he posts daily.
You have never found a single post I have asked you for, I have asked you multiple times about things you claim have been said in that very same week.... so that's incredibly rich stuff coming from you to complain about me not going back 8 years (?!) in the search facility  | |
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| On This Day in 2013 on 22:34 - Feb 26 with 357 views | STID2017 |
| On This Day in 2013 on 22:24 - Feb 26 by Dr_Parnassus |
Of course they exist, ask the Dr W yourself if you like, he posts daily.
You have never found a single post I have asked you for, I have asked you multiple times about things you claim have been said in that very same week.... so that's incredibly rich stuff coming from you to complain about me not going back 8 years (?!) in the search facility |
So that is you and Dr W so far then ( just a coincidence you both use Dr. - start of conspiracy theory )
You cannot find something that is not there, even if you could easily search back to former posts
Yet you deflect back to me to avoid the fact that you realise you have been found out | |
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| On This Day in 2013 on 22:38 - Feb 26 with 356 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| On This Day in 2013 on 22:34 - Feb 26 by STID2017 |
So that is you and Dr W so far then ( just a coincidence you both use Dr. - start of conspiracy theory )
You cannot find something that is not there, even if you could easily search back to former posts
Yet you deflect back to me to avoid the fact that you realise you have been found out |
Oh, so you were asking me to list every single poster and person that has mentioned the fact that after 6 or 7 months we were pretty poor under Laudrup? Can you clarify that? Seems like an utterly mad request.
It is a pretty unrealistic thing to expect don't you think? If you can't show me posts from 1 week ago its quite dishonest to expect me to show you every post every made about a subject from 8 years ago. 
What have I been found out about exactly?
Everything I have stated is a verifiable fact. | |
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| On This Day in 2013 on 22:45 - Feb 26 with 352 views | STID2017 |
| On This Day in 2013 on 22:38 - Feb 26 by Dr_Parnassus |
Oh, so you were asking me to list every single poster and person that has mentioned the fact that after 6 or 7 months we were pretty poor under Laudrup? Can you clarify that? Seems like an utterly mad request.
It is a pretty unrealistic thing to expect don't you think? If you can't show me posts from 1 week ago its quite dishonest to expect me to show you every post every made about a subject from 8 years ago.
What have I been found out about exactly?
Everything I have stated is a verifiable fact. |
Even a few would be a start.
You cant though as it is a nonsense.
Maybe you should do a poll asking people's opinion on Laudrup's management and whether he only had a good six months ?
Would be interesting to see how many agree with that nonsensical view | |
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| On This Day in 2013 on 22:46 - Feb 26 with 349 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| On This Day in 2013 on 22:45 - Feb 26 by STID2017 |
Even a few would be a start.
You cant though as it is a nonsense.
Maybe you should do a poll asking people's opinion on Laudrup's management and whether he only had a good six months ?
Would be interesting to see how many agree with that nonsensical view |
A start?
So you would eventually want more and more should a couple not satisfy you? Therein lies the problem.
Why is it you won't return the courtesy when I ask? Any specific reason for that? | |
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| On This Day in 2013 on 22:54 - Feb 26 with 342 views | STID2017 |
| On This Day in 2013 on 22:46 - Feb 26 by Dr_Parnassus |
A start?
So you would eventually want more and more should a couple not satisfy you? Therein lies the problem.
Why is it you won't return the courtesy when I ask? Any specific reason for that? |
What courtesy? | |
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| On This Day in 2013 on 23:00 - Feb 26 with 338 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| On This Day in 2013 on 22:54 - Feb 26 by STID2017 |
What courtesy? |
The courtesy to expect me to list every post on a subject from 8 years ago when you refuse to show me posts from a week ago.
Thought that was obvious? | |
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| On This Day in 2013 on 23:05 - Feb 26 with 331 views | STID2017 |
| On This Day in 2013 on 23:00 - Feb 26 by Dr_Parnassus |
The courtesy to expect me to list every post on a subject from 8 years ago when you refuse to show me posts from a week ago.
Thought that was obvious? |
Nothing is obvious.
However I am not the one who loves to copy quotes from other posts and draw lots of arrows on them
Surely if so many have discussed it, then it mast be easy to find a few posters with the same viewpoint
Maybe just 5 ?
Of course you couldn't as they don't exist | |
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| On This Day in 2013 on 23:11 - Feb 26 with 329 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| On This Day in 2013 on 23:05 - Feb 26 by STID2017 |
Nothing is obvious.
However I am not the one who loves to copy quotes from other posts and draw lots of arrows on them
Surely if so many have discussed it, then it mast be easy to find a few posters with the same viewpoint
Maybe just 5 ?
Of course you couldn't as they don't exist |
Indeed, if they are recent then its easy. Always happy to show my workings and prove what I am saying.
If you are asking me to find them from 8 years ago - not so easy.
If they ''don't exist'' simply because I won't go back and search then by that logic then things you have claimed don't exist too...
Right?
Here's one for you? Shall we go one for one? I will put the work in and find one thing for you with every one you find for me... deal? Can't say fairer than that. | |
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| On This Day in 2013 on 23:45 - Feb 26 with 319 views | Dr_Parnassus |
I'll take that as a no then.
Funny that  | |
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| On This Day in 2013 on 23:52 - Feb 26 with 315 views | STID2017 |
| On This Day in 2013 on 23:11 - Feb 26 by Dr_Parnassus |
Indeed, if they are recent then its easy. Always happy to show my workings and prove what I am saying.
If you are asking me to find them from 8 years ago - not so easy.
If they ''don't exist'' simply because I won't go back and search then by that logic then things you have claimed don't exist too...
Right?
Here's one for you? Shall we go one for one? I will put the work in and find one thing for you with every one you find for me... deal? Can't say fairer than that. |
No thanks.
As I have said before many times
I do not trawl through old posts, draw charts , use arrows etc.
I fully accept that in your opinion Laudrup was overrated, only had a good six months, etc
However it is just that - your opinion nothing more.
The PPG do not prove anything about his overall success or otherwise whilst at Swansea.
Just as Roberto being top of that chart doesn't mean he was the most successful a better manager for Swansea on that list | |
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| On This Day in 2013 on 23:55 - Feb 26 with 313 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| On This Day in 2013 on 23:52 - Feb 26 by STID2017 |
No thanks.
As I have said before many times
I do not trawl through old posts, draw charts , use arrows etc.
I fully accept that in your opinion Laudrup was overrated, only had a good six months, etc
However it is just that - your opinion nothing more.
The PPG do not prove anything about his overall success or otherwise whilst at Swansea.
Just as Roberto being top of that chart doesn't mean he was the most successful a better manager for Swansea on that list |
Well if you won't go back 1 week to prove what you say, then don't expect someone to go back 8 years.
My view is not an opinion, its a fact. After that 6 months we got less than a point per game. Its just something that cannot be argued.
His PPG along with his career record proves that he is not a great manager and proves he was poor in the league for us.
Roberto being the top of that chart means Martinez was good in the league. It really is that simple. | |
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| On This Day in 2013 on 00:46 - Feb 27 with 302 views | STID2017 |
| On This Day in 2013 on 23:55 - Feb 26 by Dr_Parnassus |
Well if you won't go back 1 week to prove what you say, then don't expect someone to go back 8 years.
My view is not an opinion, its a fact. After that 6 months we got less than a point per game. Its just something that cannot be argued.
His PPG along with his career record proves that he is not a great manager and proves he was poor in the league for us.
Roberto being the top of that chart means Martinez was good in the league. It really is that simple. |
So then if it is that simple that "Roberto being the top of that chart means Martinez was good in the league" the surely it is a simple fact ( by your reckoning ) that he was better in the league than all the other managers in the list.
Is that correct? | |
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| On This Day in 2013 on 00:50 - Feb 27 with 300 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| On This Day in 2013 on 00:46 - Feb 27 by STID2017 |
So then if it is that simple that "Roberto being the top of that chart means Martinez was good in the league" the surely it is a simple fact ( by your reckoning ) that he was better in the league than all the other managers in the list.
Is that correct? |
Nope because that would be a comparison, hard to compare between managers in different leagues.
I have said a few times now that this is for individual appraisal.
So you would have to make your mind up if you are saying Laudrup was a great manager or are saying he is a ''better manager than 'x''.
They are not the same discussion. | |
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| On This Day in 2013 on 01:32 - Feb 27 with 290 views | STID2017 |
| On This Day in 2013 on 00:50 - Feb 27 by Dr_Parnassus |
Nope because that would be a comparison, hard to compare between managers in different leagues.
I have said a few times now that this is for individual appraisal.
So you would have to make your mind up if you are saying Laudrup was a great manager or are saying he is a ''better manager than 'x''.
They are not the same discussion. |
Oh is that the liar there that edits postsxthen denies what he said
You are a fraud and a liar and not worth anyone debating with you
Frauds don't prosper | |
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