| Sizewell C 13:31 - Sep 1 with 3794 views | britferry |
Boris says we will pump in £700m. The project, which is being developed by French energy company EDF, is estimated to cost about £20bn overall.
If the French government can own a power company that can invest their money in overseas projects and keep down their own domestic prices, then why can't the UK do the same? |  |
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| Sizewell C on 11:09 - Sep 3 with 915 views | controversial_jack |
| Sizewell C on 10:26 - Sep 3 by felixstowe_jack |
Electricity from nuclear cost about 10p per Kw Electricity from gas currently cost 30p per Kw which will rise to about 50p when price cap is removed.
That is why of course France generates so much of its Electricity from nuclear as does Ukraine and Russia. |
Not sure where you got those figures from, Everything I have read suggests differently
We have to factor in the cost of building them. Operational running costs may be a bit cheaper, depends on a supply of fuel just like any other source, then you have the huge costs of decommissioning them.
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| Sizewell C on 17:26 - Sep 3 with 888 views | 73__73 |
| Sizewell C on 11:09 - Sep 3 by controversial_jack |
Not sure where you got those figures from, Everything I have read suggests differently
We have to factor in the cost of building them. Operational running costs may be a bit cheaper, depends on a supply of fuel just like any other source, then you have the huge costs of decommissioning them.
Nuclear power is a no for me |
Well thankfully you don’t make the decisions | |
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| Sizewell C on 20:00 - Sep 3 with 863 views | controversial_jack |
| Sizewell C on 17:26 - Sep 3 by 73__73 |
Well thankfully you don’t make the decisions |
Neither do you, over to you! | | | |
| Sizewell C on 18:40 - Sep 4 with 828 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Sizewell C on 10:55 - Sep 3 by britferry |
If only there was a way for Swansea to produce its own energy, lets say twice a day, wouldn't that be good |
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| Sizewell C on 20:08 - Sep 4 with 812 views | majorraglan |
Further articles on the inability of renewable energy projects to connect to the National Grid have feature in the media over the last few days, it’s a shocking stated of affairs. We should have been prioritising this kind of infrastructure investment. The FT article is a few months old, but it summarises where we are. It’s crackers we’ve allowed ourselves to slide this far, National Grid is critical infrastructure and should be in State hands and be investing for the future.
Who’d have thought demand for electricity would increase??????
https://www.ft.com/content/7c6
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| Sizewell C on 20:19 - Sep 4 with 808 views | Dr_Winston |
There are still people out there who think that the Swansea lagoon was a good idea and not an obvious con job designed to extract massive subsidies to the developers? Bless.
Build nuclear power stations. Big ones. Small ones. But do it quickly. Start now. |  |
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| Sizewell C on 10:16 - Sep 5 with 755 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Sizewell C on 20:08 - Sep 4 by majorraglan |
Further articles on the inability of renewable energy projects to connect to the National Grid have feature in the media over the last few days, it’s a shocking stated of affairs. We should have been prioritising this kind of infrastructure investment. The FT article is a few months old, but it summarises where we are. It’s crackers we’ve allowed ourselves to slide this far, National Grid is critical infrastructure and should be in State hands and be investing for the future.
Who’d have thought demand for electricity would increase??????
https://www.ft.com/content/7c6
Edit- link added. [Post edited 4 Sep 2022 20:55]
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Why do you think a nationalised national grid would be better?
Most of the delays to interconnecting new wind farms to the National Grid are being caused by the green and Nimby factions objecting to any plans to build power lines either overground or underground. They also object to any on shore wind farms.
The railways were nationalised on 1948 followed by the government's decision to order 100s of new steam trains, party because the miners Union who fund the government demanded it.
The rest of Europe was ordering more efficient and cheaper to run diesel, diesel electric and fully electric railways.
Within 15 years all these steam trains were scrapped some only 5 years after they entered service. [Post edited 5 Sep 2022 10:20]
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| Sizewell C on 10:36 - Sep 5 with 750 views | controversial_jack |
| Sizewell C on 10:16 - Sep 5 by felixstowe_jack |
Why do you think a nationalised national grid would be better?
Most of the delays to interconnecting new wind farms to the National Grid are being caused by the green and Nimby factions objecting to any plans to build power lines either overground or underground. They also object to any on shore wind farms.
The railways were nationalised on 1948 followed by the government's decision to order 100s of new steam trains, party because the miners Union who fund the government demanded it.
The rest of Europe was ordering more efficient and cheaper to run diesel, diesel electric and fully electric railways.
Within 15 years all these steam trains were scrapped some only 5 years after they entered service. [Post edited 5 Sep 2022 10:20]
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Railtrack which was a private company ran our network for a while. The wanted to upgrade the west coast line. They told investors they would bring in what was called, moving block radar for their signalling etc. It had never been tried on any main line anywhere in the world.It didn't it was an expensive failure.
Railtrack laid off lot's of it's in house engineers and experts and brought in contractors. They didn't have a clue, they even brought in experts from the US. they didn't have a clue either
The company basically went bust and had to be nationalised at huge cost to the taxpayer. | | | |
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| Sizewell C on 12:09 - Sep 5 with 744 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Sizewell C on 10:36 - Sep 5 by controversial_jack |
Railtrack which was a private company ran our network for a while. The wanted to upgrade the west coast line. They told investors they would bring in what was called, moving block radar for their signalling etc. It had never been tried on any main line anywhere in the world.It didn't it was an expensive failure.
Railtrack laid off lot's of it's in house engineers and experts and brought in contractors. They didn't have a clue, they even brought in experts from the US. they didn't have a clue either
The company basically went bust and had to be nationalised at huge cost to the taxpayer. |
Hardly huge cost to anyone if you just nationalise it and as it was bust no need to compensate any shareholders.
Since network Rail has been in charge of the infrastructure all major projects have vastly exceeded their initial budget. | |
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| Sizewell C on 13:29 - Sep 5 with 737 views | Boundy |
| Sizewell C on 20:08 - Sep 4 by majorraglan |
Further articles on the inability of renewable energy projects to connect to the National Grid have feature in the media over the last few days, it’s a shocking stated of affairs. We should have been prioritising this kind of infrastructure investment. The FT article is a few months old, but it summarises where we are. It’s crackers we’ve allowed ourselves to slide this far, National Grid is critical infrastructure and should be in State hands and be investing for the future.
Who’d have thought demand for electricity would increase??????
https://www.ft.com/content/7c6
Edit- link added. [Post edited 4 Sep 2022 20:55]
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Wind & solar farms and battery energy storage sites aren't connected directly to the National Grid ,which operates at 275 & 400kV ( the exception being offshore wind farms which have a greater capacity and output at normally arrive to te offshore substation at 132kV ). connections to grid are via the local distribution companies nominally at 33kV and its their infrastructure which is lacking .( Private companies ) for example there's a proposal to build 4 new wind farms in mid Wales but Scottish Power Energy Networks hasn't the capacity to add the power generated onto their network .One new site had to wait for well over a year before it could get connected and that produces only 13,800 kW .
National Grid infrastructure went and continues to go through major refurbishments on both substations and overhead lines to increase its capacity .The reason why were at the point we find ourselves is that successive governments of both colours have failed to produce a viable plan for electrical generation .leaving it to the private sector to determine policy which as we know focused on profiteering, with little regard for energy security and long-term stability. | |
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| Sizewell C on 16:01 - Sep 5 with 716 views | majorraglan |
| Sizewell C on 13:29 - Sep 5 by Boundy |
Wind & solar farms and battery energy storage sites aren't connected directly to the National Grid ,which operates at 275 & 400kV ( the exception being offshore wind farms which have a greater capacity and output at normally arrive to te offshore substation at 132kV ). connections to grid are via the local distribution companies nominally at 33kV and its their infrastructure which is lacking .( Private companies ) for example there's a proposal to build 4 new wind farms in mid Wales but Scottish Power Energy Networks hasn't the capacity to add the power generated onto their network .One new site had to wait for well over a year before it could get connected and that produces only 13,800 kW .
National Grid infrastructure went and continues to go through major refurbishments on both substations and overhead lines to increase its capacity .The reason why were at the point we find ourselves is that successive governments of both colours have failed to produce a viable plan for electrical generation .leaving it to the private sector to determine policy which as we know focused on profiteering, with little regard for energy security and long-term stability. |
Thanks for posting, very informative. For me, your explanation makes the case for re- nationalising critical infrastructure or at the very least having some kind of body in place which sets out and oversees long term strategy. Better infrastructure and we may not be where we are now. I know Western Power was recently acquired by National Grid, hopefully thinks will improve. | | | |
| Sizewell C on 19:54 - Sep 5 with 699 views | britferry |
| Sizewell C on 13:29 - Sep 5 by Boundy |
Wind & solar farms and battery energy storage sites aren't connected directly to the National Grid ,which operates at 275 & 400kV ( the exception being offshore wind farms which have a greater capacity and output at normally arrive to te offshore substation at 132kV ). connections to grid are via the local distribution companies nominally at 33kV and its their infrastructure which is lacking .( Private companies ) for example there's a proposal to build 4 new wind farms in mid Wales but Scottish Power Energy Networks hasn't the capacity to add the power generated onto their network .One new site had to wait for well over a year before it could get connected and that produces only 13,800 kW .
National Grid infrastructure went and continues to go through major refurbishments on both substations and overhead lines to increase its capacity .The reason why were at the point we find ourselves is that successive governments of both colours have failed to produce a viable plan for electrical generation .leaving it to the private sector to determine policy which as we know focused on profiteering, with little regard for energy security and long-term stability. |
yeah I saw that on the Welsh news, the system is designed to distribute energy from power stations out via the national grid, its not designed to do it from out-lying areas | |
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| Sizewell C on 20:07 - Sep 5 with 696 views | 73__73 |
The new nukes should have been built 20 years ago. Labour/ con governments have continually kicked the can down the road, resulting in what is being played out now. | |
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| Sizewell C on 21:22 - Sep 5 with 679 views | Catullus |
| Sizewell C on 20:19 - Sep 4 by Dr_Winston |
There are still people out there who think that the Swansea lagoon was a good idea and not an obvious con job designed to extract massive subsidies to the developers? Bless.
Build nuclear power stations. Big ones. Small ones. But do it quickly. Start now. |
Would it be a good idea if it was nationalised and all profits went to the exchequer?
We should definitely be pushing ahead quickly with more nuclear and they should all be state owned. UK state that is, not French. | |
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| Sizewell C on 21:40 - Sep 5 with 664 views | Flashberryjack |
| Sizewell C on 21:22 - Sep 5 by Catullus |
Would it be a good idea if it was nationalised and all profits went to the exchequer?
We should definitely be pushing ahead quickly with more nuclear and they should all be state owned. UK state that is, not French. |
And get on with the extraction of shale gas. |  |
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| Sizewell C on 22:43 - Sep 5 with 646 views | majorraglan |
| Sizewell C on 21:40 - Sep 5 by Flashberryjack |
And get on with the extraction of shale gas. |
And improving the National Grud so we can connect more renewable sources. It’s mental that we’re moving to electric cars etc and we don’t have the generating capacity or infrastructure to supply more electric. We’re run by idiots. | | | |
| Sizewell C on 06:43 - Sep 6 with 619 views | Dr_Winston |
| Sizewell C on 21:22 - Sep 5 by Catullus |
Would it be a good idea if it was nationalised and all profits went to the exchequer?
We should definitely be pushing ahead quickly with more nuclear and they should all be state owned. UK state that is, not French. |
If it was nationalised then it's unlikely that there would be any profit.
The only way it could was if it was run like a private company and the Government remained as a silent, non interfering shareholder. That's unlikely ever to happen. | |
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| Sizewell C on 08:29 - Sep 6 with 605 views | Boundy |
| Sizewell C on 06:43 - Sep 6 by Dr_Winston |
If it was nationalised then it's unlikely that there would be any profit.
The only way it could was if it was run like a private company and the Government remained as a silent, non interfering shareholder. That's unlikely ever to happen. |
Welsh Water boldly claim that the company's not for profit but how does that work | |
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| Sizewell C on 10:05 - Sep 6 with 600 views | Dr_Winston |
| Sizewell C on 08:29 - Sep 6 by Boundy |
Welsh Water boldly claim that the company's not for profit but how does that work |
If a private company let as much potential profit leak through the system as Welsh Water does the directors wouldn't last long. | |
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| Sizewell C on 10:34 - Sep 6 with 596 views | controversial_jack |
| Sizewell C on 10:05 - Sep 6 by Dr_Winston |
If a private company let as much potential profit leak through the system as Welsh Water does the directors wouldn't last long. |
They do look at the English companies | | | |
| Sizewell C on 11:00 - Sep 6 with 591 views | Boundy |
| Sizewell C on 16:01 - Sep 5 by majorraglan |
Thanks for posting, very informative. For me, your explanation makes the case for re- nationalising critical infrastructure or at the very least having some kind of body in place which sets out and oversees long term strategy. Better infrastructure and we may not be where we are now. I know Western Power was recently acquired by National Grid, hopefully thinks will improve. |
it looks like Western Power so far are the only DNO to have been taken over by National Grid ,and with the rebranding in full flow it'll be just another name from the distant past . I totally agree it should be the country owned asset , even though during CEGB days where it was vastly over manned today's situation shows just how much control of our power supplies and infrastructure is needed to be under the control not of private investors but the government | |
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| Sizewell C on 11:57 - Sep 6 with 584 views | whiterock |
Most of our electric comes from wind, solar, hydro and nuclear, all produced in this country, why have prices followed gas which, in the main, we import from Russia. | | | |
| Sizewell C on 12:02 - Sep 6 with 582 views | Dr_Winston |
| Sizewell C on 11:57 - Sep 6 by whiterock |
Most of our electric comes from wind, solar, hydro and nuclear, all produced in this country, why have prices followed gas which, in the main, we import from Russia. |
Because most homes are heated with gas. Even though only 5% of ours comes from Russia we're still vulnerable to Global prices. | |
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| Sizewell C on 12:15 - Sep 6 with 581 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Sizewell C on 11:57 - Sep 6 by whiterock |
Most of our electric comes from wind, solar, hydro and nuclear, all produced in this country, why have prices followed gas which, in the main, we import from Russia. |
Last year 44.2% of our electricity was generated from burning fossils fuels. Mainly gas with some coal. | |
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| Sizewell C on 12:23 - Sep 6 with 578 views | Boundy |
| Sizewell C on 12:15 - Sep 6 by felixstowe_jack |
Last year 44.2% of our electricity was generated from burning fossils fuels. Mainly gas with some coal. |
Statement from the National Grid "It’s important to remember that the aim is not for renewables to be our sole provider of energy, but they will play a major part in the energy mix alongside other sources "
Its good that we have a mix of other means of generation that way as Germany are seeing atm a dependence of one source and that source is not from your own assets then you're at the hands of those who don't have your best interests at heart | |
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