| The 20MPH punishments 08:34 - Aug 3 with 97678 views | SullutaCreturned |
Well the punishment for breaking the limit,
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/police-confirm-how-punish-drivers-
Given how many idiots are on the roads, the delivery drivers under pressure and the actual difficutly in staying below 20 (it is difficult, I do it every week when I go to Cardiff and it's harder than you'd think, specially going downhill) there will be a lot of speeding going on.
The Senedd expect the fire brigade to become a road safety unit, how stupid is that? The fire brigade have their job and it's hard enough for them to do that the way the Senedd behaves.
Then there's the pollution problem, all those cars tootling around in second gear will fill the streets with pollution, it'll rise and rise and the few accidents stopped by this madness will be replaced tenfold and more in the years to come by serious health issues, those with asthma can look out, better buy your respirators now.
I wonder if cancers will also increase?
By the time we have all gone electric, assuming we all do, thousands of lives will be blighted by illness. |  | | |  |
| The 20MPH punishments on 10:01 - Dec 18 with 1116 views | felixstowe_jack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 09:51 - Dec 18 by onehunglow |
Speeding convictions add to the stats for the local Force
North Wales Police have always been @rses towards visiting motorists because them getting killed and injured disproportionally affects the Figures on which all Chief Cons are judged .
Trust me on this one |
Quite agree road safety should be a priority and investment should be made improving the most dangerous roads which are country A and B roads. Penalising motorist driving safely under the old 30mph limit is not the way to do it. | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 10:06 - Dec 18 with 1110 views | onehunglow |
| The 20MPH punishments on 10:01 - Dec 18 by felixstowe_jack |
Quite agree road safety should be a priority and investment should be made improving the most dangerous roads which are country A and B roads. Penalising motorist driving safely under the old 30mph limit is not the way to do it. |
Swansea via the A483 is 178 miles from me
In 1976 the journey took just under four hours,by car ,although I did do the trip in a disgraceful time. Once with my daughter as pillion,who thought the bends from Newtown to Llandudno were fun
Now,with the by pass at Newtown it is about fifteen minutes less.
Alternative is 65 miles farther down the motorway network.
Mid Wales roads are lethal
The section approaching Cefneithin turn off will be Fun with a 20 limit ! | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 12:48 - Dec 18 with 1060 views | controversial_jack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 09:33 - Dec 18 by felixstowe_jack |
Glad you agree it is a tax raising law. |
It's a fine! | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 13:42 - Dec 18 with 1034 views | Boundy |
| The 20MPH punishments on 10:01 - Dec 18 by felixstowe_jack |
Quite agree road safety should be a priority and investment should be made improving the most dangerous roads which are country A and B roads. Penalising motorist driving safely under the old 30mph limit is not the way to do it. |
Taxing the working class till they can tax no more , but don't worry there's another tax scam waiting in the wings , watch this space | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 22:16 - Dec 18 with 951 views | lifelong |
An interesting article.
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| The 20MPH punishments on 22:30 - Dec 18 with 932 views | majorraglan |
| The 20MPH punishments on 09:33 - Dec 18 by felixstowe_jack |
Glad you agree it is a tax raising law. |
It’s not a tax raiding law, why on earth would Drakers introduce legislation that’s going to swell the coffers at the Treasury at the expense of people in Wales. He’s done this because it’s in his manifesto and his belief it’s going to make a significant difference to road safety and also encourage people to cycle and walk etc. | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 23:10 - Dec 18 with 909 views | majorraglan |
Enforcement was supposed to be starting today - Becareful out there! | | | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 08:41 - Dec 19 with 874 views | Boundy |
Timing is everything , busiest time of the year and they roll this tax scam out for already beleaguered citizens of the country they're supposed to take care of. Odious regime which will only at the very least remain as it currently is or as I suspect will in the future further ruin the lives of the idiots who continue to vote for them and others that have the foresight , wisdom and intellect not to . | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 09:42 - Dec 19 with 860 views | felixstowe_jack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 22:30 - Dec 18 by majorraglan |
It’s not a tax raiding law, why on earth would Drakers introduce legislation that’s going to swell the coffers at the Treasury at the expense of people in Wales. He’s done this because it’s in his manifesto and his belief it’s going to make a significant difference to road safety and also encourage people to cycle and walk etc. |
His belief without any supporting evidence. He has ignored the results of the large scale trial on Belfast which concluded a blanket 20mph zone had no significant reduction in accidents.
As has been stated many times in 2022 there were 95 road fatalities including 12 pedestrians. Only 30% of these were in 30mph zones approximately 32 fatalities including 4 pedestrians. Yet Drakeford claimed it would save 10 deaths a year again without any evidence.
Most accidents are not caused by motorist driving safely in the 30mph. Most are caused by dangerous driving, speeding, drink and drug driving as well peope who no licence. These are the areas he should be tackling not the law abiding motorist.
The most dangerous roads in Wales are rural single carriageways A and B roads. Yet Drakeford has cancelled all road schemes to make these safer. | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 09:54 - Dec 19 with 853 views | lifelong |
| The 20MPH punishments on 09:42 - Dec 19 by felixstowe_jack |
His belief without any supporting evidence. He has ignored the results of the large scale trial on Belfast which concluded a blanket 20mph zone had no significant reduction in accidents.
As has been stated many times in 2022 there were 95 road fatalities including 12 pedestrians. Only 30% of these were in 30mph zones approximately 32 fatalities including 4 pedestrians. Yet Drakeford claimed it would save 10 deaths a year again without any evidence.
Most accidents are not caused by motorist driving safely in the 30mph. Most are caused by dangerous driving, speeding, drink and drug driving as well peope who no licence. These are the areas he should be tackling not the law abiding motorist.
The most dangerous roads in Wales are rural single carriageways A and B roads. Yet Drakeford has cancelled all road schemes to make these safer. |
Again you fail to recognise,or mention,the hundreds of people who are seriously injured in 30mph limits and the fact that 55% of all accidents occur in these areas. | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 10:13 - Dec 19 with 845 views | controversial_jack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 09:42 - Dec 19 by felixstowe_jack |
His belief without any supporting evidence. He has ignored the results of the large scale trial on Belfast which concluded a blanket 20mph zone had no significant reduction in accidents.
As has been stated many times in 2022 there were 95 road fatalities including 12 pedestrians. Only 30% of these were in 30mph zones approximately 32 fatalities including 4 pedestrians. Yet Drakeford claimed it would save 10 deaths a year again without any evidence.
Most accidents are not caused by motorist driving safely in the 30mph. Most are caused by dangerous driving, speeding, drink and drug driving as well peope who no licence. These are the areas he should be tackling not the law abiding motorist.
The most dangerous roads in Wales are rural single carriageways A and B roads. Yet Drakeford has cancelled all road schemes to make these safer. |
It's worked in Spain and the Netherlands wherever a lower speed limit has been introduced. It's basic common sense. If you hit a pedestrian at 20, there's less chance of a fatality than at 30 | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 10:14 - Dec 19 with 842 views | felixstowe_jack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 09:54 - Dec 19 by lifelong |
Again you fail to recognise,or mention,the hundreds of people who are seriously injured in 30mph limits and the fact that 55% of all accidents occur in these areas. |
Only 30% of serious accidents occur in 30mph zones. Most accidents in 30mph are minor collision resulting in minor damage and minor or no injuries at all.
Again 70% of all serious injuries are outside 30 mph zone .
Just refer to UK national road traffic statistics . | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 11:20 - Dec 19 with 807 views | Whiterockin |
| The 20MPH punishments on 10:14 - Dec 19 by felixstowe_jack |
Only 30% of serious accidents occur in 30mph zones. Most accidents in 30mph are minor collision resulting in minor damage and minor or no injuries at all.
Again 70% of all serious injuries are outside 30 mph zone .
Just refer to UK national road traffic statistics . |
And out of those 30% how many were caused by speeding/drunk/drugged drivers who will not change now the limit is 20 mph. Time will tell in 12 months when the figures come out referencing before and after the change. Regretfully due to the recent spate of deaths in low speed zones some may need to eat humble pie. |  | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 11:35 - Dec 19 with 796 views | controversial_jack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 11:20 - Dec 19 by Whiterockin |
And out of those 30% how many were caused by speeding/drunk/drugged drivers who will not change now the limit is 20 mph. Time will tell in 12 months when the figures come out referencing before and after the change. Regretfully due to the recent spate of deaths in low speed zones some may need to eat humble pie. |
That's because most are not following the speed limits | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 11:49 - Dec 19 with 771 views | Whiterockin |
| The 20MPH punishments on 11:35 - Dec 19 by controversial_jack |
That's because most are not following the speed limits |
Exactly and that will not change regardless of what a sign says. | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 12:06 - Dec 19 with 745 views | controversial_jack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 11:49 - Dec 19 by Whiterockin |
Exactly and that will not change regardless of what a sign says. |
Could say that about any speed limit though. if it was 30, then drivers would be doing 40. It needs to be enforced to be effective | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 12:07 - Dec 19 with 745 views | lifelong |
| The 20MPH punishments on 11:20 - Dec 19 by Whiterockin |
And out of those 30% how many were caused by speeding/drunk/drugged drivers who will not change now the limit is 20 mph. Time will tell in 12 months when the figures come out referencing before and after the change. Regretfully due to the recent spate of deaths in low speed zones some may need to eat humble pie. |
You’re surely not putting down those recent tragic deaths to the 20mph speed limit? | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 12:21 - Dec 19 with 734 views | Whiterockin |
| The 20MPH punishments on 12:07 - Dec 19 by lifelong |
You’re surely not putting down those recent tragic deaths to the 20mph speed limit? |
Absolutely not. I am just pointing out that the 20 mph may change nothing in regard to statistics. | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 12:25 - Dec 19 with 726 views | Whiterockin |
| The 20MPH punishments on 12:06 - Dec 19 by controversial_jack |
Could say that about any speed limit though. if it was 30, then drivers would be doing 40. It needs to be enforced to be effective |
Agreed. Considering the high numbers driving with no insurance and not getting caught, the speed limit is unlikely to deter many. | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 13:02 - Dec 19 with 693 views | controversial_jack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 12:25 - Dec 19 by Whiterockin |
Agreed. Considering the high numbers driving with no insurance and not getting caught, the speed limit is unlikely to deter many. |
So, we should scrap all speed limits everywhere and just let drivers do as they wish? | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 13:09 - Dec 19 with 690 views | Whiterockin |
| The 20MPH punishments on 13:02 - Dec 19 by controversial_jack |
So, we should scrap all speed limits everywhere and just let drivers do as they wish? |
Thats just ridiculous. | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 13:17 - Dec 19 with 675 views | onehunglow |
| The 20MPH punishments on 13:02 - Dec 19 by controversial_jack |
So, we should scrap all speed limits everywhere and just let drivers do as they wish? |
Some do so already | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 18:33 - Dec 19 with 624 views | AnotherJohn |
The budget announced today with cuts to education and certain other public services again raises questions about the opportunity costs of the 20mph policy, not to mention the planned expansion of the Senedd. [Post edited 19 Dec 2023 19:24]
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| The 20MPH punishments on 18:43 - Dec 19 with 619 views | SullutaCreturned |
| The 20MPH punishments on 09:54 - Dec 19 by lifelong |
Again you fail to recognise,or mention,the hundreds of people who are seriously injured in 30mph limits and the fact that 55% of all accidents occur in these areas. |
And what was the cause of those accidents, was it people driving safely or was it idiots/drunks/drug drivers and/or speeding?
Those safe drivers obeying the limit will still have accidents when they meet up with the idiots etc and what will the response from government be? Will they lower the limit again? | | | |
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