| Burgess and Key errors hand Stoke City the points 16:15 - Dec 13 with 881 views | SwansIndependent |
 Burgess and Key errors hand Stoke City the points 13th Dec 2025 16:11The Swans could have come away from this game with a point but two errors gave Stoke City the win today. And when there was opportunity to decrease the lead for half an hour in the second half the choices made were beyond poor. Adam Idah not acknowledging a decent travelling Swansea support didn’t go down well either at the end. Some would say the involvement of Josh Key and Cameron Burgess in this game was an error by Swansea head coach, Vitor Matos. Key especially.  1
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| Burgess and Key errors hand Stoke City the points on 19:01 - Dec 13 with 704 views | swansjack84 |
Stating the obvious, Key should never start nor be on the bench again. He is a shocking player and though we wasn't putting up trees, his presence straight away changed how we played. Burgess is not immune from criticism, but Key has been the reason why we have lost alot of games. No time for giving him chances and building his confidence. Move on. | | | |
| Burgess and Key errors hand Stoke City the points on 19:05 - Dec 13 with 679 views | onehunglow |
| Burgess and Key errors hand Stoke City the points on 19:01 - Dec 13 by swansjack84 |
Stating the obvious, Key should never start nor be on the bench again. He is a shocking player and though we wasn't putting up trees, his presence straight away changed how we played. Burgess is not immune from criticism, but Key has been the reason why we have lost alot of games. No time for giving him chances and building his confidence. Move on. |
Think penny had dropped for most
It’s time
He simply should not play any more
Parker can’t be as bad
He bigger stronger and faster for a start
So today , Vitors sub cost us the game
No mas | |
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| Burgess and Key errors hand Stoke City the points on 19:10 - Dec 13 with 667 views | swansjack84 |
| Burgess and Key errors hand Stoke City the points on 19:05 - Dec 13 by onehunglow |
Think penny had dropped for most
It’s time
He simply should not play any more
Parker can’t be as bad
He bigger stronger and faster for a start
So today , Vitors sub cost us the game
No mas |
Yes, the sub cost us the game. But Matos gets a free pass for me. He put trust in Key and it wasn't just the goal, but the way Key looks lost, he has 0 clue how to close people down and his passing was worse I've seen. Proberly put Casey on that side or Parker as you said.
I know Key can be seen as a an excuse why we lost, but literally as soon as he came in he changed the whole team and for the worse. How 1 player can have such a poor effect on a whole team is mad.
Also I would like to see Bobby Wales given a chance over Idah. | | | |
| Burgess and Key errors hand Stoke City the points on 19:15 - Dec 13 with 643 views | onehunglow |
| Burgess and Key errors hand Stoke City the points on 19:10 - Dec 13 by swansjack84 |
Yes, the sub cost us the game. But Matos gets a free pass for me. He put trust in Key and it wasn't just the goal, but the way Key looks lost, he has 0 clue how to close people down and his passing was worse I've seen. Proberly put Casey on that side or Parker as you said.
I know Key can be seen as a an excuse why we lost, but literally as soon as he came in he changed the whole team and for the worse. How 1 player can have such a poor effect on a whole team is mad.
Also I would like to see Bobby Wales given a chance over Idah. |
Agree
Wales must be dog shite
I doubt it
He needs a chance
He’s been shat on
Vitor will prove to be very good I reckon
We need a clear out in Zjanuary
If we’ve spent too much , Benson, Cullen, Key and the great Jay Fulton can offski asap
There’s better out there | |
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| Burgess and Key errors hand Stoke City the points on 19:23 - Dec 13 with 625 views | swansjack84 |
| Burgess and Key errors hand Stoke City the points on 19:15 - Dec 13 by onehunglow |
Agree
Wales must be dog shite
I doubt it
He needs a chance
He’s been shat on
Vitor will prove to be very good I reckon
We need a clear out in Zjanuary
If we’ve spent too much , Benson, Cullen, Key and the great Jay Fulton can offski asap
There’s better out there |
I'm not the biggest Cullen fan, but he did alright, today. But Widell needs to start. Again can't fault Matos, he gave a player a chance that scored for us on Tuesday. I'm not as flat today with the result as I could see we are progressing in certain areas and using an excuse, let's remember, Matos has non of his coaches and in the process of seeing who fits the character in his team.
Now if Matos does not learn and Key keeps playing, Idah is chosen over Wales and he doesn't learn then he will have issues.
Personally I don't think the above will be the case. Irrelevant of the illness story with Key, Matos could see we needed to put Galbraith there.
Today will be a reality check for Matos. And has to learn from this | | | |
| Burgess and Key errors hand Stoke City the points on 19:38 - Dec 13 with 585 views | onehunglow |
| Burgess and Key errors hand Stoke City the points on 19:23 - Dec 13 by swansjack84 |
I'm not the biggest Cullen fan, but he did alright, today. But Widell needs to start. Again can't fault Matos, he gave a player a chance that scored for us on Tuesday. I'm not as flat today with the result as I could see we are progressing in certain areas and using an excuse, let's remember, Matos has non of his coaches and in the process of seeing who fits the character in his team.
Now if Matos does not learn and Key keeps playing, Idah is chosen over Wales and he doesn't learn then he will have issues.
Personally I don't think the above will be the case. Irrelevant of the illness story with Key, Matos could see we needed to put Galbraith there.
Today will be a reality check for Matos. And has to learn from this |
Great reply
Thanks
Ok is not enough however
He’s an enigma , for sure
I hate Sjoke too | |
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| Burgess and Key errors hand Stoke City the points on 19:39 - Dec 13 with 587 views | wwcigne |
| Burgess and Key errors hand Stoke City the points on 19:05 - Dec 13 by onehunglow |
Think penny had dropped for most
It’s time
He simply should not play any more
Parker can’t be as bad
He bigger stronger and faster for a start
So today , Vitors sub cost us the game
No mas |
The thing is if Key was injured we’d have to use someone else , so just replace him
Even playing Ishe there would be an improvement or even one of the youngsters because they couldn’t be worse
Doing nothing would be irresponsible as it’s costing us dearly | | | |
| Burgess and Key errors hand Stoke City the points on 19:41 - Dec 13 with 578 views | swansjack84 |
| Burgess and Key errors hand Stoke City the points on 19:38 - Dec 13 by onehunglow |
Great reply
Thanks
Ok is not enough however
He’s an enigma , for sure
I hate Sjoke too |
Realistically we need 9 Wins. With 27 games left. I am not saying I would be shocked but that would be a massive drop off if we didn't get 9 Wins. Especially under Matos who has shown signs that he is improving the team.
Individuals are letting him down. Where we get 9 Wins is questionable. Not sure if I'm more worried now saying that 😲😲 | | | |
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| Burgess and Key errors hand Stoke City the points on 20:03 - Dec 13 with 550 views | onehunglow |
| Burgess and Key errors hand Stoke City the points on 19:41 - Dec 13 by swansjack84 |
Realistically we need 9 Wins. With 27 games left. I am not saying I would be shocked but that would be a massive drop off if we didn't get 9 Wins. Especially under Matos who has shown signs that he is improving the team.
Individuals are letting him down. Where we get 9 Wins is questionable. Not sure if I'm more worried now saying that 😲😲 |
I actually think we will be ok but nobody can tell or be confident
Anyone publically posting that needs a shoeing ( no offence)
Pompey winning today seems to have gone be ver our heads
There again , our forum super fans aren’t that bothered being more interested in dissing other fans
Right back is killing us , sort that out and we will do fine
We need to bin eom , he’s too lightweight He’s enthusiastic but ineffective
We could see what Bob wales is about too
Not ready ? Why forking buy him
We need results and now
Get the present right and the future will look after itself | |
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| Burgess and Key errors hand Stoke City the points on 20:33 - Dec 13 with 514 views | Fireboy2 |
| Burgess and Key errors hand Stoke City the points on 19:05 - Dec 13 by onehunglow |
Think penny had dropped for most
It’s time
He simply should not play any more
Parker can’t be as bad
He bigger stronger and faster for a start
So today , Vitors sub cost us the game
No mas |
How do you know that parker cant be as bad?
Is that the first swipe at matos 🤔 |  | | |
| Burgess and Key errors hand Stoke City the points on 23:37 - Dec 13 with 411 views | KeithHaynes |
| Burgess and Key errors hand Stoke City the points on 19:05 - Dec 13 by onehunglow |
Think penny had dropped for most
It’s time
He simply should not play any more
Parker can’t be as bad
He bigger stronger and faster for a start
So today , Vitors sub cost us the game
No mas |
As is said let’s calm on Key, I’m saying nothing more. |  |
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| Burgess and Key errors hand Stoke City the points on 14:07 - Dec 14 with 219 views | Landore_Jack |
| Burgess and Key errors hand Stoke City the points on 23:37 - Dec 13 by KeithHaynes |
As is said let’s calm on Key, I’m saying nothing more. |
We cannot continue to carry passengers. That is what Key is. |  |
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| Burgess and Key errors hand Stoke City the points on 14:24 - Dec 14 with 198 views | onehunglow |
| Burgess and Key errors hand Stoke City the points on 23:37 - Dec 13 by KeithHaynes |
As is said let’s calm on Key, I’m saying nothing more. |
I am calm Keith
I stand my every word it can’t be fon for any professional to have completely lost his game
This applies to jobs in the real world too
Either dig in and improve or move on
Key needs loaning to a league 2 club to get his game back | |
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| Burgess and Key errors hand Stoke City the points on 14:26 - Dec 14 with 197 views | onehunglow |
| Burgess and Key errors hand Stoke City the points on 14:07 - Dec 14 by Landore_Jack |
We cannot continue to carry passengers. That is what Key is. |
And so it is
It’s painful to watch and it’s not fair on the lad himself
He doesn’t need faux tears and patronising crap
He needs to own it | |
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