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Andy Burnham 19:49 - Jul 4 with 4112 viewsDr_Winston

Getting an existential sense of dread at the forthcoming annointment of someone apparently desperate to depict himself as the fourth Gallagher brother to the highest office in the land.

Those of us with long memories will recall how monumentally useless he was as part of the late Labour Government. His ineptitude as Secretary of Health gave him the nickname of "Bodybags". His rejection by his own party in 2015 and then the electorate in 2017.

To see him swept into power when things are already shit doesn't do much for my optimism levels. As bad as things have been under Labour, the capacity is there for it to get much, much worse.
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Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.

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Andy Burnham on 22:29 - Jul 5 with 1139 viewsjack_lord

Andy Burnham on 20:28 - Jul 5 by max936

Yeah I was going to mention that some haven't worked, be interesting to know the percentage.
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I don't know how accurate this is but I read that fewer than 2% of UK pensioners reach retirement age without contributing to the State Pension system in some way. The State Pension requires a minimum of 10 qualifying years of National Insurance contributions or credits to receive any payout, and nearly all retirees meet this minimum threshold. As the good Dr says, "credits" which means they didn't pay in.
I don't know what we, as a society, would do if someone hit pension age and they got zero because they didn't pay anything in. Maybe it would focus people on paying in

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Andy Burnham on 22:41 - Jul 5 with 1099 viewsmax936

Andy Burnham on 22:29 - Jul 5 by jack_lord

I don't know how accurate this is but I read that fewer than 2% of UK pensioners reach retirement age without contributing to the State Pension system in some way. The State Pension requires a minimum of 10 qualifying years of National Insurance contributions or credits to receive any payout, and nearly all retirees meet this minimum threshold. As the good Dr says, "credits" which means they didn't pay in.
I don't know what we, as a society, would do if someone hit pension age and they got zero because they didn't pay anything in. Maybe it would focus people on paying in


It'll be 49yrs for me come September, I have got a gap around 1979 and 1980 though was off 16 months with a leg injury after a road accident on November 5th in 79.
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Andy Burnham on 09:37 - Jul 6 with 1004 viewscontroversial_jack

Andy Burnham on 20:12 - Jul 4 by JACKMANANDBOY

What's rather strange is that not one Labour MP I've heard interviewed seems to know what Burnham will do.


He has stated that he will follow the manifesto
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Andy Burnham on 11:21 - Jul 7 with 884 viewsKeithHaynes

Andy Burnham on 22:41 - Jul 5 by max936

It'll be 49yrs for me come September, I have got a gap around 1979 and 1980 though was off 16 months with a leg injury after a road accident on November 5th in 79.


Shouldn’t that have been covered ?

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Andy Burnham on 17:58 - Jul 7 with 799 viewsmax936

Andy Burnham on 11:21 - Jul 7 by KeithHaynes

Shouldn’t that have been covered ?


I was an 18 yr old apprentice working for a two man band one was a close family friend, all I had was statutory sick pay.

That's all I get now as well, was off 3 days last week after dental work and a fortnight earlier in the year when I was off with flu and when my knee was knackered a few years ago.

Only time I had sick pay was when I worked for one of the big companies.
nothing until then and nothing for last 4yrs, did have my own insurance at one point to cover my mortgage, long time ago that was though.
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Andy Burnham on 20:40 - Jul 7 with 734 viewsjack_lord

Andy Burnham on 17:58 - Jul 7 by max936

I was an 18 yr old apprentice working for a two man band one was a close family friend, all I had was statutory sick pay.

That's all I get now as well, was off 3 days last week after dental work and a fortnight earlier in the year when I was off with flu and when my knee was knackered a few years ago.

Only time I had sick pay was when I worked for one of the big companies.
nothing until then and nothing for last 4yrs, did have my own insurance at one point to cover my mortgage, long time ago that was though.


New company I'm going to don't do sick. SSP if you are ill.

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Andy Burnham on 21:12 - Jul 7 with 712 viewsmax936

Andy Burnham on 20:40 - Jul 7 by jack_lord

New company I'm going to don't do sick. SSP if you are ill.


Only ever had benefit of paid sick pay for 6yrs of my 49yrs of working, great pension as well, took enhanced redundancy when it was offered after they sold their retail business off.
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Andy Burnham on 10:56 - Jul 8 with 610 viewsBoundy

Andy Burnham on 17:58 - Jul 7 by max936

I was an 18 yr old apprentice working for a two man band one was a close family friend, all I had was statutory sick pay.

That's all I get now as well, was off 3 days last week after dental work and a fortnight earlier in the year when I was off with flu and when my knee was knackered a few years ago.

Only time I had sick pay was when I worked for one of the big companies.
nothing until then and nothing for last 4yrs, did have my own insurance at one point to cover my mortgage, long time ago that was though.


I’ve always been fortunate to work since 15 years old and with a private pension as part of the package so we’re ok , not rich but atm ok . I can’t imagine having to live just on the state pension but many have to and that will become the norm as the good paying employers no longer exist in this part of the world. When you consider how many big companies the areas lost we now have a generation who will never know job security as us oldies would have.

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Andy Burnham on 11:01 - Jul 8 with 598 viewscontroversial_jack

Andy Burnham on 20:40 - Jul 7 by jack_lord

New company I'm going to don't do sick. SSP if you are ill.


They have to by law. Not always full pay though
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Andy Burnham on 20:18 - Jul 8 with 503 viewsmax936

Andy Burnham on 10:56 - Jul 8 by Boundy

I’ve always been fortunate to work since 15 years old and with a private pension as part of the package so we’re ok , not rich but atm ok . I can’t imagine having to live just on the state pension but many have to and that will become the norm as the good paying employers no longer exist in this part of the world. When you consider how many big companies the areas lost we now have a generation who will never know job security as us oldies would have.


I've been lucky these last 10yrs to be honest, my eldest has worked hard academically and it's got him a good well paid job, he's 33 later this month and has had two well paid jobs.

So I've no real concerns, but my mind doesn't work like that unfortunately
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Andy Burnham on 20:21 - Jul 8 with 502 viewsjack_lord

Andy Burnham on 11:01 - Jul 8 by controversial_jack

They have to by law. Not always full pay though


What I mean is that they pay the ssp equivalent rate if you call in sick which is about 25 a day

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Andy Burnham on 22:11 - Jul 8 with 466 viewsJACKMANANDBOY

Andy Burnham on 20:21 - Jul 8 by jack_lord

What I mean is that they pay the ssp equivalent rate if you call in sick which is about 25 a day


You were right, it's Statutory Sick Pay.

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