| Swansea City Brand - USA 01:15 - Feb 19 with 3645 views | Nookiejack |
One of the 'fors' for the sale of our club to the Americans - is that it will boost our commercial revenue in the US through their know how/contacts etc.
However when you google John Moores and Charles Noell (Peregrine Systems, San Diego Padres TV rights etc.) - you find a stream of negative articles from the US about them.
So do we actually understand the impact on the 'Swansea City' brand in the US of being associated with them?
Fair enough it may be positive.
However being associated with them might be quite negative, devalue our brand and actually lower our potential to grow commercial revenues in the US? |  | | |  |
| Swansea City Brand - USA on 09:28 - Feb 19 with 2380 views | icecoldjack |
You make a good point.
For me it just re enforces the fact these guys are to be trouble. I think most fans feel the same.
If they had problems with the pardreys then it's foolish to think it's going to be any different when they get their hands on the swans. |  | | |
| Swansea City Brand - USA on 10:06 - Feb 19 with 2334 views | mattjenkins1990 |
I heard they were going to re brand us to the Swansea Seahawks to further fit the American Market
No good point made though if they already have a negative cconotation associated with them it may not increase our following in the American Market.
In all seriousness i understand why people are getting in a fuss over this with what has happened in the past and the pride of being a supporters run club. In reality nothing has been put on the table.
If any investment comes I genuinely believe it will be for the best intention of the club. Countless decisions have been made in recent times which were spot on bringing us forward. We now have great facilities and admiration from other fans all built by the Board who bailed us out with there own cash.
My question would be why would they jeopardise this legacy, for a bit of Cash. Most of them are older and have a good lifestyle anyway there is no need. |  |
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| Swansea City Brand - USA on 11:19 - Feb 19 with 2241 views | Nookiejack |
But isn't it sound business logic to maintain and grow the value of your brand? I don't understand what this has got to do with 'fear'?
Don't you assess whether being associated with Moores and Noell - benefits or damages the Swansea City brand - especially given how large a company we are becoming with the exponential growth in the TV rights? | | | |
| Swansea City Brand - USA on 11:25 - Feb 19 with 2223 views | Jackanapes |
Faith is defined as confidence or trust in a being, object, living organism, deity, view, or in doctrines or teachings . Faith may also refer to a hope or belief, rational or irrational, in a certain outcome. Faith is used to refer to a belief that is not based on proof or evidence.[1] The word faith is sometimes used as a synonym for hope,[2] for trust,[3] or for belief.[4] |  |
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| Swansea City Brand - USA on 11:58 - Feb 19 with 2185 views | Nookiejack |
| Swansea City Brand - USA on 11:25 - Feb 19 by Jackanapes |
Faith is defined as confidence or trust in a being, object, living organism, deity, view, or in doctrines or teachings . Faith may also refer to a hope or belief, rational or irrational, in a certain outcome. Faith is used to refer to a belief that is not based on proof or evidence.[1] The word faith is sometimes used as a synonym for hope,[2] for trust,[3] or for belief.[4] |
Sorry don't understand the argument.
Are you proposing we cross our fingers and have 'faith' that it will be alright on the night?
I am just asking the question what impact do we think being associated with Moores and Noell is having on the Swansea City brand - especially in the US? Do we think it is favourable or negative? | | | |
| Swansea City Brand - USA on 12:03 - Feb 19 with 2163 views | Jackanapes |
| Swansea City Brand - USA on 11:58 - Feb 19 by Nookiejack |
Sorry don't understand the argument.
Are you proposing we cross our fingers and have 'faith' that it will be alright on the night?
I am just asking the question what impact do we think being associated with Moores and Noell is having on the Swansea City brand - especially in the US? Do we think it is favourable or negative? |
You have two choices. I have highlighted them. Fear is faith that it won't work out. | |
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| Swansea City Brand - USA on 12:04 - Feb 19 with 2160 views | ApeShit |
| Swansea City Brand - USA on 11:58 - Feb 19 by Nookiejack |
Sorry don't understand the argument.
Are you proposing we cross our fingers and have 'faith' that it will be alright on the night?
I am just asking the question what impact do we think being associated with Moores and Noell is having on the Swansea City brand - especially in the US? Do we think it is favourable or negative? |
There are a lot of fans just burying their heads in the sand and hoping it will be alright. (FAITH) |  | | |
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| Swansea City Brand - USA on 12:05 - Feb 19 with 2155 views | Jackanapes |
| Swansea City Brand - USA on 12:04 - Feb 19 by ApeShit |
There are a lot of fans just burying their heads in the sand and hoping it will be alright. (FAITH) |
Or realising that it makes no difference if I fret about it or not. | |
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| Swansea City Brand - USA on 12:08 - Feb 19 with 2145 views | ApeShit |
| Swansea City Brand - USA on 12:05 - Feb 19 by Jackanapes |
Or realising that it makes no difference if I fret about it or not. |
I'm glad that not everyone took that stance during the Petty era.
As you were. | | | |
| Swansea City Brand - USA on 12:10 - Feb 19 with 2138 views | Jackanapes |
| Swansea City Brand - USA on 12:08 - Feb 19 by ApeShit |
I'm glad that not everyone took that stance during the Petty era.
As you were. |
Well I carried a bucket. How about you?
Worrying and taking action are two different things. Everyone has already decided this is a bad thing when no-one knows what is going to happen. Why?
I mean surely everyone tried to stop Petty from taking over the club didnt they? Or did they react after they realised what was going on? [Post edited 19 Feb 2015 12:18]
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| Swansea City Brand - USA on 12:22 - Feb 19 with 2096 views | ApeShit |
| Swansea City Brand - USA on 12:10 - Feb 19 by Jackanapes |
Well I carried a bucket. How about you?
Worrying and taking action are two different things. Everyone has already decided this is a bad thing when no-one knows what is going to happen. Why?
I mean surely everyone tried to stop Petty from taking over the club didnt they? Or did they react after they realised what was going on? [Post edited 19 Feb 2015 12:18]
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Maybe that's why people are trying to do something before the Americans take over this time.
The Trust obviously have their concerns, as they are against the sale of shares and enough to hire professional advisors.
Good day. | | | |
| Swansea City Brand - USA on 12:25 - Feb 19 with 2090 views | Jackanapes |
| Swansea City Brand - USA on 12:22 - Feb 19 by ApeShit |
Maybe that's why people are trying to do something before the Americans take over this time.
The Trust obviously have their concerns, as they are against the sale of shares and enough to hire professional advisors.
Good day. |
Which evidences my point that fear is behind this opposition. People are opposed to this because it 'might' not work out. If people didnt do things because they may go wrong, no one would do anything. | |
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| Swansea City Brand - USA on 12:29 - Feb 19 with 2077 views | ApeShit |
| Swansea City Brand - USA on 12:25 - Feb 19 by Jackanapes |
Which evidences my point that fear is behind this opposition. People are opposed to this because it 'might' not work out. If people didnt do things because they may go wrong, no one would do anything. |
Its not quite as simple as that, its about making calculated decisions.
Anyway after your refreshing insight into things I'm going to re-mortgage my home now and stick it all on black, it may not go wrong. | | | |
| Swansea City Brand - USA on 12:33 - Feb 19 with 2070 views | monmouth |
| Swansea City Brand - USA on 12:29 - Feb 19 by ApeShit |
Its not quite as simple as that, its about making calculated decisions.
Anyway after your refreshing insight into things I'm going to re-mortgage my home now and stick it all on black, it may not go wrong. |
You f***ing idiot.
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| Swansea City Brand - USA on 12:35 - Feb 19 with 2060 views | ApeShit |
| Swansea City Brand - USA on 12:33 - Feb 19 by monmouth |
You f***ing idiot.
Red. |
Why red?
Is it because its in the American flag?
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| Swansea City Brand - USA on 12:38 - Feb 19 with 2051 views | Nookiejack |
| Swansea City Brand - USA on 12:03 - Feb 19 by Jackanapes |
You have two choices. I have highlighted them. Fear is faith that it won't work out. |
I am just trying to explore one of the central arguments - that the shareholders who want to get out - are making or selling their shares to Moores and Noell.
i.e. .........that being associated with them will result 'in our team being stronger' - therefore will be able to grow our commercial revenue - especially in the US.
I am just questioning whether being associated with them could actually damage our brand - hence will restrain our ability to grow commercial revenue.
For example I would assume there is an impact on the number of Cardiff shirts that are bought domestically and internationally - because of Cardiff City's association with'Vincent Tan'.
So similarly how are Moores and Noell truly perceived in the US?
How many shirts are we likely to sell in the San Diego area - given what happened to the San Diego Padres TV rights? Would people in Cardiff now buy a US Sports team shirt - if Vincent Tan bought that club/franchise? | | | |
| Swansea City Brand - USA on 13:18 - Feb 19 with 1969 views | Dewi1jack |
| Swansea City Brand - USA on 12:35 - Feb 19 by ApeShit |
Why red?
Is it because its in the American flag?
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It's a very lucky colour according to the wise sage about 45 miles to the East of the home of Welsh top flight football.
I think the killer here is how are Moores and Noell perceived in the good ole US of A.
If they have a really bad rep, we're not going to get much (if any) new support/ cash from the American market.
And to answer your question Matt.
They do not understand or give a sh1t about our legacy. If a rich man can make 1p on a deal, he'll do it just to say he always makes a profit.
There aren't too many rich men/ women who love throwing their money away on a deal. And that is what they'd be doing to finance us to challenge City/ United/ Chelsea or even Arsenal.
There's some decent money to be made and the Yanks are after it.
And our share sellers are after it as well. A few million in the back pocket and bollox to the club?
No-one can say what the attitude of the share sellers is. What is said in public could well rival a politician in the run up to the Election. And politicians never lie do they?
Please everyone, can we just drop the pretence of investment though.
They loan us money, our club ends up paying the 7% we were laughing at our cousins for taking. Not laughing then are we?
They do what the Oystens are doing. Not laughing then are we?
How about Leeds, Pompey, Brum and plenty of others? Their owners in the past all took new "investment" as well.
And the porno kings weren't on the poverty line when they offloaded, sorry, accepted new investment at Brum.
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| Swansea City Brand - USA on 15:38 - Feb 19 with 1853 views | stAteSwan |
I think some of you are forgetting that the average American sports fan has no idea who on earth Moores is. The Tabloid's here are not as popular as they are in the UK. Very few sports fans care to read the Wall Street Journal, New York Times or whatever.
The most well known Sports Owners over here, got there because they were terrible at managing a business. We've got a baseball team with an owner who was using funds from a Ponzi Scheme to fund the team, a couple basketball owners who made very public racist comments. All of those guys are the one's who are known.
In fact, if you talked to fans of the Padres, their biggest beef with Moores is not a failed business venture with another company. It was the fact that his last couple of seasons, the Padres didn't spend enough to field a consistent top tier team.
No one is going to stop buying Swansea City kits here because John Moores is invested in the team. He's known as the guy who owned the Padres here...not the guy who was with Peregrine Systems. | | | |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 15:56 - Feb 19 with 1816 views | sixpenses |
| Swansea City Brand - USA on 12:10 - Feb 19 by Jackanapes |
Well I carried a bucket. How about you?
Worrying and taking action are two different things. Everyone has already decided this is a bad thing when no-one knows what is going to happen. Why?
I mean surely everyone tried to stop Petty from taking over the club didnt they? Or did they react after they realised what was going on? [Post edited 19 Feb 2015 12:18]
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| Swansea City Brand - USA on 15:59 - Feb 19 with 1817 views | Nookiejack |
| Swansea City Brand - USA on 15:38 - Feb 19 by stAteSwan |
I think some of you are forgetting that the average American sports fan has no idea who on earth Moores is. The Tabloid's here are not as popular as they are in the UK. Very few sports fans care to read the Wall Street Journal, New York Times or whatever.
The most well known Sports Owners over here, got there because they were terrible at managing a business. We've got a baseball team with an owner who was using funds from a Ponzi Scheme to fund the team, a couple basketball owners who made very public racist comments. All of those guys are the one's who are known.
In fact, if you talked to fans of the Padres, their biggest beef with Moores is not a failed business venture with another company. It was the fact that his last couple of seasons, the Padres didn't spend enough to field a consistent top tier team.
No one is going to stop buying Swansea City kits here because John Moores is invested in the team. He's known as the guy who owned the Padres here...not the guy who was with Peregrine Systems. |
That's the great to know - so doesn't appear to be an issue for us - with regards to growing in the US.
As an aside what's the story behind Moores and appropriating the Padres TV rights? Is that the reason Padres didm't spend enough on the team?
Or didn't he spend money on the team and then appropriated the TV rights?
Are there any truth in these stories you read on the internet - as worrying from over here? | | | |
| Swansea City Brand - USA on 16:01 - Feb 19 with 1813 views | Jackanapes |
| Swansea City Brand - USA on 12:29 - Feb 19 by ApeShit |
Its not quite as simple as that, its about making calculated decisions.
Anyway after your refreshing insight into things I'm going to re-mortgage my home now and stick it all on black, it may not go wrong. |
There is a difference between not doing something out of fear, and doing something out of stupidity. | |
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| Swansea City Brand - USA on 16:14 - Feb 19 with 1787 views | sixpenses |
| Swansea City Brand - USA on 12:10 - Feb 19 by Jackanapes |
Well I carried a bucket. How about you?
Worrying and taking action are two different things. Everyone has already decided this is a bad thing when no-one knows what is going to happen. Why?
I mean surely everyone tried to stop Petty from taking over the club didnt they? Or did they react after they realised what was going on? [Post edited 19 Feb 2015 12:18]
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You make a compelling argument for acting before it is too late | | | |
| Swansea City Brand - USA on 16:18 - Feb 19 with 1783 views | LeonisGod |
| Swansea City Brand - USA on 12:25 - Feb 19 by Jackanapes |
Which evidences my point that fear is behind this opposition. People are opposed to this because it 'might' not work out. If people didnt do things because they may go wrong, no one would do anything. |
The uncertainty and normal fear of change are only part of the issue though. If it was just that then I'd agree that there's a pointless over-reaction. But these two guys have been bad news before for a sports team, so some of the responses are more understandable when placed in that context. |  | | |
| Swansea City Brand - USA on 16:30 - Feb 19 with 1767 views | Jackanapes |
| Swansea City Brand - USA on 16:18 - Feb 19 by LeonisGod |
The uncertainty and normal fear of change are only part of the issue though. If it was just that then I'd agree that there's a pointless over-reaction. But these two guys have been bad news before for a sports team, so some of the responses are more understandable when placed in that context. |
If they sell for for ten times as much as they buy us, then I suspect we wont be in too much of a position to complain. [Post edited 19 Feb 2015 16:31]
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