| 1 in every 1000 UK citizens have now died of Covid. 15:51 - Dec 6 with 2960 views | builthjack |
So a full house at The Liberty , 21 of those have died of Covid.
It's nowhere near finished yet.
Think about it you ones who don't seem to care. [Post edited 6 Dec 2020 15:51]
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| 1 in every 1000 UK citizens have now died of Covid. on 15:53 - Dec 6 with 1686 views | Andy1300 |
I look forward to your figures for every other death |  |
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| 1 in every 1000 UK citizens have now died of Covid. on 15:57 - Dec 6 with 1676 views | builthjack |
| 1 in every 1000 UK citizens have now died of Covid. on 15:53 - Dec 6 by Andy1300 |
I look forward to your figures for every other death |
I am talking about Covid. Not any other deaths. | |
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| 1 in every 1000 UK citizens have now died of Covid. on 16:00 - Dec 6 with 1671 views | Jack123 |
How about you think of all the excess deaths, that have been caused. Just for balance like, don't try and put that on anyone who disagrees with lockdown. |  |
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| 1 in every 1000 UK citizens have now died of Covid. on 16:03 - Dec 6 with 1664 views | exhmrc1 |
| 1 in every 1000 UK citizens have now died of Covid. on 15:57 - Dec 6 by builthjack |
I am talking about Covid. Not any other deaths. |
There are going to me many more. 390 in Swansea Bay Health Board. Over 170 since the beginning of October. They must all be fake or really died of other things or would have died within 3 months according to Andy. The latest figures show 262 with covid in Swansea Bay hospitals at the moment. 9 or 10 wards full. Because of this people like Catullus cannot get their treatments. Had we kept the lid on it instead of opening up many of these would have been treated. |  | | |
| 1 in every 1000 UK citizens have now died of Covid. on 16:23 - Dec 6 with 1638 views | Catullus |
| 1 in every 1000 UK citizens have now died of Covid. on 16:03 - Dec 6 by exhmrc1 |
There are going to me many more. 390 in Swansea Bay Health Board. Over 170 since the beginning of October. They must all be fake or really died of other things or would have died within 3 months according to Andy. The latest figures show 262 with covid in Swansea Bay hospitals at the moment. 9 or 10 wards full. Because of this people like Catullus cannot get their treatments. Had we kept the lid on it instead of opening up many of these would have been treated. |
I get caught in the middle here because I am against a full lockdown but I would prefer somewhere in the middle that is longer term.
It's those selfish people who refuse to follow the rules that have caused many of the problems. Of course the UK governments have made a mess of things too.
It's not that people don't care (at least I hope so) it's more that they have a different perspective, a different opinion. Just who is right it's hard to say.
When Wales did it's firebreak I said it wasn't long enough, it should have been a month or even 6 weeks and now lookwhere we are.
The anti lockdown mob have a point too though. There are people who haven't had their cancer treatments, or other seriously ill people who have been left alone to suffer the stress and worry. It's been on the news, cancer patients left waiting who have died.
There had to be a better way, despite what they said there are pletny of examples of not following the science like Bojo waiting 6 weeks after being told lockdown or when he allowed foreign travel.
Now this Christmas bubble idea, it's against what we know about where the virus spreads most easily.
Whatever your point of view enjoy your Christmas, stay safe hopefully.
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| 1 in every 1000 UK citizens have now died of Covid. on 16:52 - Dec 6 with 1622 views | Andy1300 |
| 1 in every 1000 UK citizens have now died of Covid. on 16:03 - Dec 6 by exhmrc1 |
There are going to me many more. 390 in Swansea Bay Health Board. Over 170 since the beginning of October. They must all be fake or really died of other things or would have died within 3 months according to Andy. The latest figures show 262 with covid in Swansea Bay hospitals at the moment. 9 or 10 wards full. Because of this people like Catullus cannot get their treatments. Had we kept the lid on it instead of opening up many of these would have been treated. |
I’ve never said it’s fake, the BBC state that the deaths are “all causes within 28 days of a positive test” that leaves it open to question.
That’s what I have always stated.
Not every covid death is a covid death.
I just hope you don’t know anyone who has lost their life because they have killed themselves due to the current situation, I know 2!
But hey, it’s only covid deaths that matter these days. | |
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| 1 in every 1000 UK citizens have now died of Covid. on 17:10 - Dec 6 with 1602 views | exhmrc1 |
| 1 in every 1000 UK citizens have now died of Covid. on 16:52 - Dec 6 by Andy1300 |
I’ve never said it’s fake, the BBC state that the deaths are “all causes within 28 days of a positive test” that leaves it open to question.
That’s what I have always stated.
Not every covid death is a covid death.
I just hope you don’t know anyone who has lost their life because they have killed themselves due to the current situation, I know 2!
But hey, it’s only covid deaths that matter these days. |
My mate has recently died over covid but wont count in the figures because he was in a coma with it for more than 28 days. There has been a whole host of residents in a care home in Pontardawe who were there with things like Parkinson's and dementia. They caught covid and it was the cause of death but the death certificates will also show the other things they had. It doesnt mean covid wasnt the cause or that they were likely to due within 3 months. Many might have lived several years. Read how devastated the matron and staff are below.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/health/care-home-reveals-14-residents-1939814 [Post edited 6 Dec 2020 17:11]
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| 1 in every 1000 UK citizens have now died of Covid. on 17:45 - Dec 6 with 1578 views | Kilkennyjack |
| 1 in every 1000 UK citizens have now died of Covid. on 17:10 - Dec 6 by exhmrc1 |
My mate has recently died over covid but wont count in the figures because he was in a coma with it for more than 28 days. There has been a whole host of residents in a care home in Pontardawe who were there with things like Parkinson's and dementia. They caught covid and it was the cause of death but the death certificates will also show the other things they had. It doesnt mean covid wasnt the cause or that they were likely to due within 3 months. Many might have lived several years. Read how devastated the matron and staff are below.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/health/care-home-reveals-14-residents-1939814 [Post edited 6 Dec 2020 17:11]
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100 per cent.
If these poor people did not have Covid, then they would still be with us today.
The UK figures are the worst in Europe, despite the fact the being an island should be a huge advantage.
I am guessing its because we have a bull shite merchant as PM who did not fancy doing the hard work needed to keep us all safe.
Economies are best protected by low rates of Covid, or hopefully its eradication.
Pretending it does not exist is simply fecking stupid. Put simply - more people will die. [Post edited 6 Dec 2020 17:46]
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| 1 in every 1000 UK citizens have now died of Covid. on 18:53 - Dec 6 with 1532 views | felixstowe_jack |
| 1 in every 1000 UK citizens have now died of Covid. on 17:45 - Dec 6 by Kilkennyjack |
100 per cent.
If these poor people did not have Covid, then they would still be with us today.
The UK figures are the worst in Europe, despite the fact the being an island should be a huge advantage.
I am guessing its because we have a bull shite merchant as PM who did not fancy doing the hard work needed to keep us all safe.
Economies are best protected by low rates of Covid, or hopefully its eradication.
Pretending it does not exist is simply fecking stupid. Put simply - more people will die. [Post edited 6 Dec 2020 17:46]
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Once again you are spreading porkys.
Three countries have higher death rates per 100,000
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| 1 in every 1000 UK citizens have now died of Covid. on 20:56 - Dec 6 with 1515 views | Andy1300 |
| 1 in every 1000 UK citizens have now died of Covid. on 17:45 - Dec 6 by Kilkennyjack |
100 per cent.
If these poor people did not have Covid, then they would still be with us today.
The UK figures are the worst in Europe, despite the fact the being an island should be a huge advantage.
I am guessing its because we have a bull shite merchant as PM who did not fancy doing the hard work needed to keep us all safe.
Economies are best protected by low rates of Covid, or hopefully its eradication.
Pretending it does not exist is simply fecking stupid. Put simply - more people will die. [Post edited 6 Dec 2020 17:46]
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Where have I pretended it doesn’t exist?
I’ve always said that the reaction to it and the rules imposed in their various guises are wrong | |
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| 1 in every 1000 UK citizens have now died of Covid. on 23:01 - Dec 6 with 1483 views | lifelong |
| 1 in every 1000 UK citizens have now died of Covid. on 17:45 - Dec 6 by Kilkennyjack |
100 per cent.
If these poor people did not have Covid, then they would still be with us today.
The UK figures are the worst in Europe, despite the fact the being an island should be a huge advantage.
I am guessing its because we have a bull shite merchant as PM who did not fancy doing the hard work needed to keep us all safe.
Economies are best protected by low rates of Covid, or hopefully its eradication.
Pretending it does not exist is simply fecking stupid. Put simply - more people will die. [Post edited 6 Dec 2020 17:46]
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Almost 2000 new infections in Wales today, the highest recorded figure since the pandemic started. |  | | |
| 1 in every 1000 UK citizens have now died of Covid. on 23:05 - Dec 6 with 1477 views | exhmrc1 |
| 1 in every 1000 UK citizens have now died of Covid. on 20:56 - Dec 6 by Andy1300 |
Where have I pretended it doesn’t exist?
I’ve always said that the reaction to it and the rules imposed in their various guises are wrong |
You have been saying for ages that thre figures are wrong because people havent been dying of covid because there are other conditions. All totally untrue.
Someone could have Asthma for many years and learned to live with it. They are on medication for it and live for years with it. Someone with asthma or COPD or say Diabetes and they die. Even though perhaps Asthma will be on the Death certificate it will be covid is the cause.
Covid is known to cause pneumonia and if someone dies with pneumonia because of covid it doesnt mean covid hasnt been the cause.
The people in the Nursing Home could have lived for years with Parkinson's or dementia. That will also be on the death certificate but it is the covid that has been the cause. | | | |
| 1 in every 1000 UK citizens have now died of Covid. on 00:53 - Dec 7 with 1454 views | Jack123 |
I think everyone cares, and i must say it's pretty reprehensible to make statements like this, accusing people who question the way things are being handled.. What if i were to say you and your ilk,
and your attitudes are the cause for all the excess deaths, that wouldn't be nice would it? [Post edited 7 Dec 2020 1:05]
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| 1 in every 1000 UK citizens have now died of Covid. on 01:41 - Dec 7 with 1441 views | exhmrc1 |
| 1 in every 1000 UK citizens have now died of Covid. on 00:53 - Dec 7 by Jack123 |
I think everyone cares, and i must say it's pretty reprehensible to make statements like this, accusing people who question the way things are being handled.. What if i were to say you and your ilk,
and your attitudes are the cause for all the excess deaths, that wouldn't be nice would it? [Post edited 7 Dec 2020 1:05]
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Here is a comment taken from another thread
"All covid has done is to cause people to die a few months earlier than they would have, in most cases."
That is a fact of what was said and has been said on many occasions. Thousands of the people who died were not on deaths door. I know 2 people who have died. Both had the prospect of living for years. Just because 1 had Diabetes doesnt mean she was on deaths door. Many of the people in the care home in Rhydyfro would have lived several years had it not been for covid. | | | |
| 1 in every 1000 UK citizens have now died of Covid. on 08:22 - Dec 7 with 1395 views | Glossolalia |
| 1 in every 1000 UK citizens have now died of Covid. on 01:41 - Dec 7 by exhmrc1 |
Here is a comment taken from another thread
"All covid has done is to cause people to die a few months earlier than they would have, in most cases."
That is a fact of what was said and has been said on many occasions. Thousands of the people who died were not on deaths door. I know 2 people who have died. Both had the prospect of living for years. Just because 1 had Diabetes doesnt mean she was on deaths door. Many of the people in the care home in Rhydyfro would have lived several years had it not been for covid. |
But that quote is broadly true. Can't you find some other quote that contradicts what these 'dissenters' are saying? On the whole, COVID overwhelmingly kills the elderly, who are more susceptible to any illness. Granted, there are exceptions, but I'd wager everyone knows someone who has prematurely died from one or more of cancer, heart disease, flu, other respiratory diseases, dementia, Alzheimer's...
According to the ONS, the average age of COVID-related deaths exceed our national life expectancy. And as you mention yourself, there are a great deal of very unhealthy people in this country.
I'm not arguing about the lockdown measures per se, more your seeming inability to understand a simple point. [Post edited 7 Dec 2020 9:06]
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| 1 in every 1000 UK citizens have now died of Covid. on 10:01 - Dec 7 with 1364 views | Catullus |
| 1 in every 1000 UK citizens have now died of Covid. on 01:41 - Dec 7 by exhmrc1 |
Here is a comment taken from another thread
"All covid has done is to cause people to die a few months earlier than they would have, in most cases."
That is a fact of what was said and has been said on many occasions. Thousands of the people who died were not on deaths door. I know 2 people who have died. Both had the prospect of living for years. Just because 1 had Diabetes doesnt mean she was on deaths door. Many of the people in the care home in Rhydyfro would have lived several years had it not been for covid. |
That statement may be a bit flippant but it doesn't suggest he doesn't care nor that he's wrong to question how things are handled.
Haven't we mostly questioned how things have been done? Whichever side of it we are on, how many of us have entirely agreed with what Westminster and/or the Senedd have done?
I too know someone who ied who wouldn't have for potentiaaly decades, she was overweight but not ill in any serious way until covid but that's anecdotal, what do the national figures say? | |
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| 1 in every 1000 UK citizens have now died of Covid. on 10:02 - Dec 7 with 1361 views | exhmrc1 |
| 1 in every 1000 UK citizens have now died of Covid. on 08:22 - Dec 7 by Glossolalia |
But that quote is broadly true. Can't you find some other quote that contradicts what these 'dissenters' are saying? On the whole, COVID overwhelmingly kills the elderly, who are more susceptible to any illness. Granted, there are exceptions, but I'd wager everyone knows someone who has prematurely died from one or more of cancer, heart disease, flu, other respiratory diseases, dementia, Alzheimer's...
According to the ONS, the average age of COVID-related deaths exceed our national life expectancy. And as you mention yourself, there are a great deal of very unhealthy people in this country.
I'm not arguing about the lockdown measures per se, more your seeming inability to understand a simple point. [Post edited 7 Dec 2020 9:06]
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Yes it generally kills older people and the risk of dying from it increases with age. That isnt in doubt. That a majority of people would die anyway within a couple of months isnt true. How can anyone know when someone will die, Many of these people could live several years. Indeed in the 2 I know who passed away with it they could have expected to live for 20 or 30 years. Just because someone has a treatable condition doesnt mean they die of that rather than covid. | | | |
| 1 in every 1000 UK citizens have now died of Covid. on 10:17 - Dec 7 with 1352 views | Catullus |
| 1 in every 1000 UK citizens have now died of Covid. on 10:02 - Dec 7 by exhmrc1 |
Yes it generally kills older people and the risk of dying from it increases with age. That isnt in doubt. That a majority of people would die anyway within a couple of months isnt true. How can anyone know when someone will die, Many of these people could live several years. Indeed in the 2 I know who passed away with it they could have expected to live for 20 or 30 years. Just because someone has a treatable condition doesnt mean they die of that rather than covid. |
The same rule applies to you though, just because someone has a treatable condition it doesn't mean they won't keel over tomorrow.
As you rightly say, we don't know when our time is up, unless we make it happen. A friend of mine died aged 19, he needed a heart operation but they didn't expect him to drop when he did.
Any one of us might still here in 10/20/30 years or dead tomorrow. | |
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| 1 in every 1000 UK citizens have now died of Covid. on 10:19 - Dec 7 with 1351 views | Glossolalia |
| 1 in every 1000 UK citizens have now died of Covid. on 10:02 - Dec 7 by exhmrc1 |
Yes it generally kills older people and the risk of dying from it increases with age. That isnt in doubt. That a majority of people would die anyway within a couple of months isnt true. How can anyone know when someone will die, Many of these people could live several years. Indeed in the 2 I know who passed away with it they could have expected to live for 20 or 30 years. Just because someone has a treatable condition doesnt mean they die of that rather than covid. |
Let me see. You're invoking the unpredictability of the future as a riposte, whilst at the same time making the prediction that 'many' of these people could live significantly longer lives were it not for COVID. You also, it appears, claim to know how long people are likely to live. What an astounding position.
EDIT - It seems that the pro-lockdown folk consistently make impossible claims to bolster their position, as if COVID is often robbing people of many healthy years ahead. That's folly - if they die of COVID, they probably can't have had long to live (see average death age), or because they are unwell, obese, or unhealthy. The sad, rare cases of young and healthy dying are a given. A fact of life, sady. So enough irritating clairvoyance please. [Post edited 7 Dec 2020 10:43]
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| 1 in every 1000 UK citizens have now died of Covid. on 11:14 - Dec 7 with 1327 views | controversial_jack |
| 1 in every 1000 UK citizens have now died of Covid. on 16:52 - Dec 6 by Andy1300 |
I’ve never said it’s fake, the BBC state that the deaths are “all causes within 28 days of a positive test” that leaves it open to question.
That’s what I have always stated.
Not every covid death is a covid death.
I just hope you don’t know anyone who has lost their life because they have killed themselves due to the current situation, I know 2!
But hey, it’s only covid deaths that matter these days. |
It's been explained to you many times, but it doesn't seem to sink in for some reason. Covid overwhelmed the immune system, and those with underlying conditions probably wouldn't have died if they hadn't caught it
Also, doctors often put more than one cause down on death certificates.It's normal that patients die from causes other than from their original diagnosis.That'just how it works. | | | |
| 1 in every 1000 UK citizens have now died of Covid. on 11:14 - Dec 7 with 1327 views | exhmrc1 |
| 1 in every 1000 UK citizens have now died of Covid. on 10:19 - Dec 7 by Glossolalia |
Let me see. You're invoking the unpredictability of the future as a riposte, whilst at the same time making the prediction that 'many' of these people could live significantly longer lives were it not for COVID. You also, it appears, claim to know how long people are likely to live. What an astounding position.
EDIT - It seems that the pro-lockdown folk consistently make impossible claims to bolster their position, as if COVID is often robbing people of many healthy years ahead. That's folly - if they die of COVID, they probably can't have had long to live (see average death age), or because they are unwell, obese, or unhealthy. The sad, rare cases of young and healthy dying are a given. A fact of life, sady. So enough irritating clairvoyance please. [Post edited 7 Dec 2020 10:43]
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One of my neighbours was found dead in his chair by the ambulance. Every day he went to the pub drinking. Nobody would have known he was about to die. Anyone making claims that most would have died within 3 months is making false claims. None of us would have been able to predict my neighbours death just like nobody knows whether people who have covid are about to die without it. To claim that most will die within 3 months is absurd.
The figures show that over 40% of the people dying in Wales with covid are in their 50s, 60s and 70s. Nobody in their right mind would believe most of these would die within 3 months if they didnt have covid. The deaths increase with age but that doesnt mean even those in their 80s would die in a couple of months. | | | |
| 1 in every 1000 UK citizens have now died of Covid. on 11:15 - Dec 7 with 1325 views | controversial_jack |
| 1 in every 1000 UK citizens have now died of Covid. on 23:01 - Dec 6 by lifelong |
Almost 2000 new infections in Wales today, the highest recorded figure since the pandemic started. |
WE can't blame Drakers for that.He doesn't control peoples movements, that's down to stupid selfish people [Post edited 7 Dec 2020 11:18]
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| 1 in every 1000 UK citizens have now died of Covid. on 11:47 - Dec 7 with 1304 views | Glossolalia |
| 1 in every 1000 UK citizens have now died of Covid. on 11:14 - Dec 7 by exhmrc1 |
One of my neighbours was found dead in his chair by the ambulance. Every day he went to the pub drinking. Nobody would have known he was about to die. Anyone making claims that most would have died within 3 months is making false claims. None of us would have been able to predict my neighbours death just like nobody knows whether people who have covid are about to die without it. To claim that most will die within 3 months is absurd.
The figures show that over 40% of the people dying in Wales with covid are in their 50s, 60s and 70s. Nobody in their right mind would believe most of these would die within 3 months if they didnt have covid. The deaths increase with age but that doesnt mean even those in their 80s would die in a couple of months. |
Drinking in the pub every day you say? It's a mystery that one. A quarter of all Welsh COVID deaths are care home deaths. So accounting for this large percentage, would you expect the majority of those in end-of-life care to live through this winter regardless? Instead of guesswork, I think you should acknowledge the in these cases, it's simply nature's way.
Where are these figures that show a significant amount of people dying in their 50s and 60s from COVID? How can this be if the average death age is so high? Any statistics? Or is it that you've conveniently bundled the 50s and 60s in with the 70s to make a point.
Back to my original point - it seems many a vilified for simply offering a different point of view, and at the same time, what they say is often skewed and stripped of all nuance. And what of the elderly who want to live a normal life, content with the knowledge that if their days are numbered, and that this pale imitation of a life isn't worth the increased longevity it may or may not bestow.
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| 1 in every 1000 UK citizens have now died of Covid. on 11:48 - Dec 7 with 1303 views | Scotia |
| 1 in every 1000 UK citizens have now died of Covid. on 10:19 - Dec 7 by Glossolalia |
Let me see. You're invoking the unpredictability of the future as a riposte, whilst at the same time making the prediction that 'many' of these people could live significantly longer lives were it not for COVID. You also, it appears, claim to know how long people are likely to live. What an astounding position.
EDIT - It seems that the pro-lockdown folk consistently make impossible claims to bolster their position, as if COVID is often robbing people of many healthy years ahead. That's folly - if they die of COVID, they probably can't have had long to live (see average death age), or because they are unwell, obese, or unhealthy. The sad, rare cases of young and healthy dying are a given. A fact of life, sady. So enough irritating clairvoyance please. [Post edited 7 Dec 2020 10:43]
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That clearly isn't the case. It does disproportionately kill the old and infirm, but the average age of a patient requiring intensive care treatment is in their late 50's. That is the issue as much as deaths. Our hospitals are full to bursting point.
Covid is robbing people of years of life, many of those may not be in absolute peak physical condition but don't have otherwise life threatening conditions. One person I know who died of Covid was on Kidney Dialysis and awaiting a transplant. He would have lived for many years in his state of health before contracting the virus, almost certainly long enough to get a transplant. He was killed by Covid. I know another lad, he was a bit overweight, but spent time on a ventilator aged just 44 and has absolutely no other conditions.
Just look around you, how many people do you see who are clearly in peak fitness, without considering any hidden conditions they may have?
A friend of mine ( ITU anaesthetist) does not expect to get a vaccine for some time because there are so many at risk NHS staff before him in the queue. They wouldn't die any time soon if they didn't get Covid. | | | |
| 1 in every 1000 UK citizens have now died of Covid. on 12:01 - Dec 7 with 1296 views | A_Fans_Dad |
From the ONS latest excess deaths page, (6th November), there is this note that explains some of what Andy is saying.
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"Of the 1,937 deaths that involved COVID-19, 1,743 had this recorded as the underlying cause of death (90.0%); of the 2,267 deaths that involved Influenza and Pneumonia, 307 had this recorded as the underlying cause of death (13.5%)."
Note the massive disparity 90% of those that contracted or tested positive for COVID-19 had it regstered as the underlying cause, yet only 13.5% with Flu & Pneumonia had it registered as the underlying cause.
This is the ONS latest excess deaths page, (20th November), again we have a major disparity
Of the 2,697 deaths involving COVID-19, 2,361 had this recorded as the underlying cause of death (87.5%).
Of the 2,605 deaths that involved Influenza and Pneumonia, 280 had this recorded as the underlying cause of death (10.7%). | | | |
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