| On This Day in 2013 23:25 - Feb 24 with 2265 views | STID2017 |
Michael Laudrup's Swansea City won the only major trophy in our history to date by beating Bradford City 5-0 at Wembley and got us back into Europe.
He may not have been our most successful league manager to date but for the most part his teams were exciting and a delight to watch
Those who were lucky enough to see them will never forget the first game at QPR or the home game against WBA
Wonderful times and a great manager IMHO [Post edited 24 Feb 2022 23:50]
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| On This Day in 2013 on 23:36 - Feb 24 with 793 views | builthjack |
Stayed in Jury's Watford. Great weekend.
Followed by some wonderful European trips.
Seems a long time ago now. |  |
| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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| On This Day in 2013 on 23:37 - Feb 24 with 794 views | Dr_Parnassus |
Excellent achievement, but an incredibly overrated manager.
One of our worst points per game returns as a league manager, but fantastic in the cup. We had an incredible squad too
70 points from 62 games. |  |
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| On This Day in 2013 on 23:43 - Feb 24 with 779 views | STID2017 |
Seems some cannot read as I did not suggest he was our most successful manager in the league - just one of the most exciting
As for overrated - had it not been for the fall out that led to him leaving, he may well have gone on to be one of if not our most successful
managers of all time.
In his first season he achieved something no one has done before or since ( even Tosh, our greatest ever manager ) | |
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| On This Day in 2013 on 23:46 - Feb 24 with 772 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| On This Day in 2013 on 23:43 - Feb 24 by STID2017 |
Seems some cannot read as I did not suggest he was our most successful manager in the league - just one of the most exciting
As for overrated - had it not been for the fall out that led to him leaving, he may well have gone on to be one of if not our most successful
managers of all time.
In his first season he achieved something no one has done before or since ( even Tosh, our greatest ever manager ) |
I didn't say you did suggest he was our most successful manager in the league.
I was responding to your point ''great manager''.
There is a reason he went to the Middle East and has not been able to secure any sort of top job.
He left because we were performing atrociously. [Post edited 24 Feb 2022 23:49]
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| On This Day in 2013 on 23:49 - Feb 24 with 766 views | STID2017 |
Just edited and added IMHO just for clarity of those who cannot work that out for themelves | |
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| On This Day in 2013 on 23:51 - Feb 24 with 743 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| On This Day in 2013 on 23:49 - Feb 24 by STID2017 |
Just edited and added IMHO just for clarity of those who cannot work that out for themelves |
Whether it is your opinion or not is irrelevant, doesn't mean people can't respond. | |
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| On This Day in 2013 on 23:52 - Feb 24 with 741 views | STID2017 |
| On This Day in 2013 on 23:36 - Feb 24 by builthjack |
Stayed in Jury's Watford. Great weekend.
Followed by some wonderful European trips.
Seems a long time ago now. |
It does yes
Still unforgettable
Some underestimate the achievement because it was Bradford, but they had to beat two EPL sides to get there, so shows that the comprehensive win wasnt a given [Post edited 24 Feb 2022 23:58]
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| On This Day in 2013 on 23:55 - Feb 24 with 734 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| On This Day in 2013 on 23:52 - Feb 24 by STID2017 |
It does yes
Still unforgettable
Some underestimate the achievement because it was Bradford, but they had to beat two EPL sides to get there, so shows that the comprehensive win wasnt a given [Post edited 24 Feb 2022 23:58]
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Who underestimates it?
Wonderful achievement that was. Unfortunately as a manager of a league club there is far more to deal with than Cup games, hence he was sacked and never been able to get a top job. | |
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| On This Day in 2013 on 00:09 - Feb 25 with 708 views | STID2017 |
I do wonder if people ( especially those who claim to do their research) understand the reasons why Laudrup hasn't managed since at a top club ? | |
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| On This Day in 2013 on 00:11 - Feb 25 with 707 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| On This Day in 2013 on 00:09 - Feb 25 by STID2017 |
I do wonder if people ( especially those who claim to do their research) understand the reasons why Laudrup hasn't managed since at a top club ? |
Because he wasn't offered one would be the main reason. | |
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| On This Day in 2013 on 00:22 - Feb 25 with 699 views | STID2017 |
| On This Day in 2013 on 00:11 - Feb 25 by Dr_Parnassus |
Because he wasn't offered one would be the main reason. |
Perhaps if you did your research ( as you claim to do over and over ) you will see that it has more to do with him aligning himself with the royal Qatari family and defending their government and the awful record on civil rights and and ( whilst sadly not alone in this ) supporting a World Cup based on forced labour and systematic abuse, as well as their awful record of discrimination against women.
So I would suggest less to do with football and more to do with his personal stance on Qatar ? | |
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| On This Day in 2013 on 00:25 - Feb 25 with 697 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| On This Day in 2013 on 00:22 - Feb 25 by STID2017 |
Perhaps if you did your research ( as you claim to do over and over ) you will see that it has more to do with him aligning himself with the royal Qatari family and defending their government and the awful record on civil rights and and ( whilst sadly not alone in this ) supporting a World Cup based on forced labour and systematic abuse, as well as their awful record of discrimination against women.
So I would suggest less to do with football and more to do with his personal stance on Qatar ? |
You realise he hasn't managed anyone since 2018 don't you?  | |
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| On This Day in 2013 on 00:34 - Feb 25 with 692 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| On This Day in 2013 on 00:30 - Feb 25 by STID2017 |
Yes but why .?
Have you found out the reason or just believe it is football related ?
Plus of course he is a very rich man so has no* need to manage, so do you ever think he may have chosen not to?
Or is this another of your "I'm right, the rest of the world is wrong" based on your assumptions?
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Yes because he finds football management boring, which comes across in his management style to be fair.
Which is why he never gets offered the top jobs.
Pep is a very rich man too... most top managers are rich men, through their management earnings alone. Their talent and passion for the profession shines through and they manage the top clubs as a result.
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| On This Day in 2013 on 00:45 - Feb 25 with 658 views | STID2017 |
| On This Day in 2013 on 00:34 - Feb 25 by Dr_Parnassus |
Yes because he finds football management boring, which comes across in his management style to be fair.
Which is why he never gets offered the top jobs.
Pep is a very rich man too... most top managers are rich men, through their management earnings alone. Their talent and passion for the profession shines through and they manage the top clubs as a result.
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Honestly can you here yourself ?
I understand your stance on his league success In win % and where we were when he left (that said Tosh's team was relegated after two seasons but no one would ever describe him as anything less than a great manager during his time with Swans)
But to describe his style as boring ?
Are you talking about the way he presented himself in interviews?
Or the way his side played ?
If talking about the way his side played, think you will find many fans describe many games under him as some of the best they have seen ( and I am talking about supporters old enough to have seen them during Toshack's era ) | |
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| On This Day in 2013 on 00:53 - Feb 25 with 652 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| On This Day in 2013 on 00:45 - Feb 25 by STID2017 |
Honestly can you here yourself ?
I understand your stance on his league success In win % and where we were when he left (that said Tosh's team was relegated after two seasons but no one would ever describe him as anything less than a great manager during his time with Swans)
But to describe his style as boring ?
Are you talking about the way he presented himself in interviews?
Or the way his side played ?
If talking about the way his side played, think you will find many fans describe many games under him as some of the best they have seen ( and I am talking about supporters old enough to have seen them during Toshack's era ) |
Can I what?
It was self explanatory, his management style. Style of management.
Often didn't bother to turn up to training sessions as he split his life between France, lackluster team instructions often leaving it up to the coaches, very little interest in man management, he seemed bored and disinterested - which is probably what he was.
Toshack managed Real Madrid twice, winning La Liga. He has the right to call himself a great manager once upon a time. He was not limited to cup success and he was wanted by big clubs as a result, hence why he was appointed twice to Real Madrid.
Comparing Toshack as a manager to Laudrup is amusing. Laudrup isn't fit to put the pen tops on his white board markers. | |
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| On This Day in 2013 on 01:07 - Feb 25 with 646 views | STID2017 |
| On This Day in 2013 on 00:53 - Feb 25 by Dr_Parnassus |
Can I what?
It was self explanatory, his management style. Style of management.
Often didn't bother to turn up to training sessions as he split his life between France, lackluster team instructions often leaving it up to the coaches, very little interest in man management, he seemed bored and disinterested - which is probably what he was.
Toshack managed Real Madrid twice, winning La Liga. He has the right to call himself a great manager once upon a time. He was not limited to cup success and he was wanted by big clubs as a result, hence why he was appointed twice to Real Madrid.
Comparing Toshack as a manager to Laudrup is amusing. Laudrup isn't fit to put the pen tops on his white board markers. |
I wont bother with the arrows and quotes etc which you are so fond of, but if you read the above, you will see I referred to Tosh's time with the Swans.
Appears you are being purposely obtuse just to support your flawed argument
No one would suggested that comparing our previous managers total management careers, there has ever been one as successful overall as Tosh
However to reiterate, whatever Laudrup's demeanour ( and having seen Tosh in action as a manager personally as I worked down the Vetch in 1978, he could also come across as brusque and uncaring, and his banishment of Bartley, Dave Stewart, Waddle and others may prove that ), his methods not only got results but produced a team that was for the most part a delight to watch | |
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| On This Day in 2013 on 01:13 - Feb 25 with 645 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| On This Day in 2013 on 01:07 - Feb 25 by STID2017 |
I wont bother with the arrows and quotes etc which you are so fond of, but if you read the above, you will see I referred to Tosh's time with the Swans.
Appears you are being purposely obtuse just to support your flawed argument
No one would suggested that comparing our previous managers total management careers, there has ever been one as successful overall as Tosh
However to reiterate, whatever Laudrup's demeanour ( and having seen Tosh in action as a manager personally as I worked down the Vetch in 1978, he could also come across as brusque and uncaring, and his banishment of Bartley, Dave Stewart, Waddle and others may prove that ), his methods not only got results but produced a team that was for the most part a delight to watch |
No idea what you are talking about?
How has anything I just said been altered by you saying ''time at the Swans''? There is nothing flawed in saying that you have to have league success to be considered a great manager.
Toshack earned us 3 promotions and 3 cups.
I didn't say my view was down to his demeanor, I went into detail regarding that so not sure why you are selectively reading. Are you being silly or are you wanting to have a debate? Your points are beginning to look like you want another argument rather than a discussion.
Explain why you think Michael Laudrup is a ''great'' manager then, despite no top level league success and no top clubs managed. | |
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| On This Day in 2013 on 01:30 - Feb 25 with 638 views | STID2017 |
| On This Day in 2013 on 01:13 - Feb 25 by Dr_Parnassus |
No idea what you are talking about?
How has anything I just said been altered by you saying ''time at the Swans''? There is nothing flawed in saying that you have to have league success to be considered a great manager.
Toshack earned us 3 promotions and 3 cups.
I didn't say my view was down to his demeanor, I went into detail regarding that so not sure why you are selectively reading. Are you being silly or are you wanting to have a debate? Your points are beginning to look like you want another argument rather than a discussion.
Explain why you think Michael Laudrup is a ''great'' manager then, despite no top level league success and no top clubs managed. |
I have already explained to you that I am not comparing Tosh with Laudrup ( although the three cups cannot be compared) but of course Tosh's league record is better than any manager in our history ( although other managers before and since did win championships, Tosh's overall record of wins, promotions and top division highest finish will probably never be equalled or beaten)
What I did say that even Tosh failed to win us a major trophy and at the other end of the spectrum even Tosh took us down.
As I also stated many Swans fans will still view Laudrup's period here as a great one and he was a great manager ( IMHO) as we had many brilliant league performances under him
So whatever it was that you believed Laudrup did, for a large part of his tenure it did not have a negative effect on the Swans on the field achievements. | |
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| On This Day in 2013 on 01:32 - Feb 25 with 637 views | Dr_Parnassus |
Going back as far as Martinez, using managers that have managed half a season or longer. so taking out the likes of Curt, the following is true:-
League points per game:-
Clement 1.11
Laudrup 1.13
Martin 1.22
Guidolin 1.26
Monk 1.31
Potter 1.41
Sousa 1.50
Rodgers 1.53
Cooper 1.63
Martinez 1.73 | |
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| On This Day in 2013 on 01:36 - Feb 25 with 632 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| On This Day in 2013 on 01:30 - Feb 25 by STID2017 |
I have already explained to you that I am not comparing Tosh with Laudrup ( although the three cups cannot be compared) but of course Tosh's league record is better than any manager in our history ( although other managers before and since did win championships, Tosh's overall record of wins, promotions and top division highest finish will probably never be equalled or beaten)
What I did say that even Tosh failed to win us a major trophy and at the other end of the spectrum even Tosh took us down.
As I also stated many Swans fans will still view Laudrup's period here as a great one and he was a great manager ( IMHO) as we had many brilliant league performances under him
So whatever it was that you believed Laudrup did, for a large part of his tenure it did not have a negative effect on the Swans on the field achievements. |
But I haven't said Tosh can't be described as a great Swansea manager, have I? I said the opposite. So telling me how good he was is preaching to the converted.
My point is that other than a Cup run of 6 rounds, the performance of Laudrup was overall poor. You cannot be labelled a ''great'' manager for 6 rounds of games. 4 of which were against lower league opposition.
His achievement was great, but that is a world away from him being a great manager. | |
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| On This Day in 2013 on 01:47 - Feb 25 with 626 views | Dr_Parnassus |
Best way to describe it, you can score a great goal - but it does not mean you are a great player.
You can be a scorer of great goals - but not a great goal scorer.
If Liam Cullen comes back and scores 6 in his first game back for us, then does poorly for the rest of the season. It does not mean he is a ''great striker'' because he achieved something not even Allchurch did for us.
the record is 5 by Jack Fowler. | |
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| On This Day in 2013 on 02:01 - Feb 25 with 617 views | STID2017 |
| On This Day in 2013 on 01:32 - Feb 25 by Dr_Parnassus |
Going back as far as Martinez, using managers that have managed half a season or longer. so taking out the likes of Curt, the following is true:-
League points per game:-
Clement 1.11
Laudrup 1.13
Martin 1.22
Guidolin 1.26
Monk 1.31
Potter 1.41
Sousa 1.50
Rodgers 1.53
Cooper 1.63
Martinez 1.73 |
Is your opinion then that the higher the manager's LPPG, the better manager he is ? [Post edited 25 Feb 2022 2:02]
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| On This Day in 2013 on 02:04 - Feb 25 with 600 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| On This Day in 2013 on 02:01 - Feb 25 by STID2017 |
Is your opinion then that the higher the manager's LPPG, the better manager he is ? [Post edited 25 Feb 2022 2:02]
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More aligned with the lower it is the less ''great'' he is.
Very difficult to call a manager ''great'' when he has one of the worst league records in modern times with arguably the best squad we have ever had. | |
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| On This Day in 2013 on 02:08 - Feb 25 with 597 views | STID2017 |
| On This Day in 2013 on 01:36 - Feb 25 by Dr_Parnassus |
But I haven't said Tosh can't be described as a great Swansea manager, have I? I said the opposite. So telling me how good he was is preaching to the converted.
My point is that other than a Cup run of 6 rounds, the performance of Laudrup was overall poor. You cannot be labelled a ''great'' manager for 6 rounds of games. 4 of which were against lower league opposition.
His achievement was great, but that is a world away from him being a great manager. |
Think you are getting confused as neither of us have said Tosh wasnt a great manager.
What I did say was that Tosh, as great as he was, never won us a major trophy and at the other end of the spectrum, Tosh took us down ( we will never know if the same would have happened under Laudrup )
So comparing both in their respective top divisions both had a good first league season and a poor second league season | |
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