| Gorbechev 08:44 - Aug 31 with 591 views | onehunglow |
One of the greatest figures of the 20th Century .
A man who changed the lives of millions,literally.
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| Gorbechev on 11:00 - Aug 31 with 558 views | Best_loser |
I agree , a very brave man |  | | |
| Gorbechev on 11:13 - Aug 31 with 547 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Gorbechev on 11:00 - Aug 31 by Best_loser |
I agree , a very brave man |
Completely agree. Both Alistair Campbell and Rory Stewart have talked warmly about him on Rest is Politics podcast |  | | |
| Gorbechev on 11:20 - Aug 31 with 536 views | controversial_jack |
| Gorbechev on 11:13 - Aug 31 by Sirjohnalot |
Completely agree. Both Alistair Campbell and Rory Stewart have talked warmly about him on Rest is Politics podcast |
He started the ball rolling as regards to opening up Russia, but it was inevitable it would happen sometime | | | |
| Gorbechev on 12:06 - Aug 31 with 514 views | Catullus |
I agree with whats been said about him but still, I can't help wondering if he did more damage to the West in the end.
If Gorbachev had never got into power, if the Soviet Union hadn't collpased and the West never lowered it's guard, would we be in this position right now? We'll never know of course but it's food for thought. | |
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| Gorbechev on 13:08 - Aug 31 with 493 views | controversial_jack |
| Gorbechev on 12:06 - Aug 31 by Catullus |
I agree with whats been said about him but still, I can't help wondering if he did more damage to the West in the end.
If Gorbachev had never got into power, if the Soviet Union hadn't collpased and the West never lowered it's guard, would we be in this position right now? We'll never know of course but it's food for thought. |
The Soviet union never collapsed. It opened up because they needed outside investment for their oil and gas industries, which were in a terrible state.
They gave out shares in many concerns to the population, The poor sold theirs cheaply for whatever reasons and they were then bought up by businessmen. This gave rise to what we know as the oligarchs Putin then sorted most of them out and became the biggest one himself
There was economic turmoil for quite a while during the transition stage, but eventually settled down.
It's a lovely story that the west, with it's arms race and Regan took down the Soviets, but a story is all that it is, | | | |
| Gorbechev on 16:03 - Aug 31 with 458 views | Boundy |
| Gorbechev on 13:08 - Aug 31 by controversial_jack |
The Soviet union never collapsed. It opened up because they needed outside investment for their oil and gas industries, which were in a terrible state.
They gave out shares in many concerns to the population, The poor sold theirs cheaply for whatever reasons and they were then bought up by businessmen. This gave rise to what we know as the oligarchs Putin then sorted most of them out and became the biggest one himself
There was economic turmoil for quite a while during the transition stage, but eventually settled down.
It's a lovely story that the west, with it's arms race and Regan took down the Soviets, but a story is all that it is, |
Of course it collapsed and spectacularly so , when you say opened up do you mean that market forces made it so or was that Gorbechev 's master plan , because if you are stating the latter then you're wrong The USSR collapsed due to many factors one being its over dependency on oil and gas and little else, technology lagged far behind the west and during that period the price per barrel drop from $120 a barrel in 1980 to $24 a barrel in March 1986 only reaching a spike in price much later but too late to rescue a failing economy . Internal government corruption and food shortages and as the advent of more western "culture" become more pronounced individual nations within the Bloc decided they wanted what the west could offer and not the garbage that Russia could .Even Gorbachev’s chief adviser, Aleksandr Yakovlev, described the challenge facing them: “The main issue today is not only economy. This is only the material side of the process. The heart of the matter is in the political system…and its relation to man.” Russia tried to compete with the west in the arms race but again failed miserably even though at the time ranged from between between 10 and 20 percent of GDP which affected tyhe growth in other markets . Another factor was the subjugated Baltic countries saw the Afghanistan war as a reflection their own occupation by the USSR and wanted out them out hence the rise of unrest and uprising against Ivan | |
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| Gorbechev on 16:09 - Aug 31 with 451 views | onehunglow |
| Gorbechev on 13:08 - Aug 31 by controversial_jack |
The Soviet union never collapsed. It opened up because they needed outside investment for their oil and gas industries, which were in a terrible state.
They gave out shares in many concerns to the population, The poor sold theirs cheaply for whatever reasons and they were then bought up by businessmen. This gave rise to what we know as the oligarchs Putin then sorted most of them out and became the biggest one himself
There was economic turmoil for quite a while during the transition stage, but eventually settled down.
It's a lovely story that the west, with it's arms race and Regan took down the Soviets, but a story is all that it is, |
You're trying to rewrite history;The Wall came down after Reagan's pressure on Gorby.Fact.
Then ,ALL the Russian strangled eastern bloc countries couldnr wait to rid themelves of mother Russia.
Speak to any
East German,Czech,Hungarianthey know a bit of what happens when the Ruskies dont like what they are doing.It's Ukraine time now.
Why not emigrate to Russia. You are wasting your time here. It's the filthy west ,innit. | |
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| Gorbechev on 16:13 - Aug 31 with 449 views | Kilkennyjack |
Yes, a giant of a man.
Next week we will get the half wit Liz Truss as PM….. 🤷â€â™‚ï¸ |  |
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| Gorbechev on 16:14 - Aug 31 with 449 views | onehunglow |
| Gorbechev on 16:13 - Aug 31 by Kilkennyjack |
Yes, a giant of a man.
Next week we will get the half wit Liz Truss as PM….. 🤷â€â™‚ï¸ |
They're all pigmies Killy.
Imagine Jezza as a PM meeting Gorby | |
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| Gorbechev on 17:32 - Aug 31 with 419 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Gorbechev on 16:14 - Aug 31 by onehunglow |
They're all pigmies Killy.
Imagine Jezza as a PM meeting Gorby |
If Jezza was really about helping others then he should have stood aside once the polling was clear.
He had zero chance of winning. Zero.
But he still stood and effectively handed the keys to the dreadful posh party boy Johnson. With a huge majority.
He also had a duty to stand firmly with Remain given the clear ambition of Johnson to torch EU employment laws and environmental standards.
Instead he was positioned more or less neutral, on the biggest of big issues.
(His hero Benn was anti EU i believe…?)
Both on-going disasters for working people.
Yes Jezza is a wâš“ï¸. | |
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| Gorbechev on 17:38 - Aug 31 with 412 views | Dr_Winston |
It's often overlooked that Gorbachev's reforms were an effort to preserve the Soviet Union, not demolish it. He deserves credit for allowing it to die when he could quite easily have sent troops to try and establish dominance as one of his successors seems to want to, but he didn't set out to set anyone or anything free from the Soviet yoke. Far from it. |  |
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| Gorbechev on 17:57 - Aug 31 with 406 views | controversial_jack |
| Gorbechev on 16:09 - Aug 31 by onehunglow |
You're trying to rewrite history;The Wall came down after Reagan's pressure on Gorby.Fact.
Then ,ALL the Russian strangled eastern bloc countries couldnr wait to rid themelves of mother Russia.
Speak to any
East German,Czech,Hungarianthey know a bit of what happens when the Ruskies dont like what they are doing.It's Ukraine time now.
Why not emigrate to Russia. You are wasting your time here. It's the filthy west ,innit. |
No really it didn't. The Wall was in Germany not Russia.
The Russian oil and gas industry and it's infrastructure was in a deplorable state. It needed funds to improve and it had to look overseas, which it did.
It really was as simple as that. | | | |
| Gorbechev on 18:43 - Aug 31 with 392 views | onehunglow |
| Gorbechev on 17:32 - Aug 31 by Kilkennyjack |
If Jezza was really about helping others then he should have stood aside once the polling was clear.
He had zero chance of winning. Zero.
But he still stood and effectively handed the keys to the dreadful posh party boy Johnson. With a huge majority.
He also had a duty to stand firmly with Remain given the clear ambition of Johnson to torch EU employment laws and environmental standards.
Instead he was positioned more or less neutral, on the biggest of big issues.
(His hero Benn was anti EU i believe…?)
Both on-going disasters for working people.
Yes Jezza is a wâš“ï¸. |
Monumentally arrogant is Corbyn.
I dont mind posh boys myself s they as they are honest and competent.Johnson was neither. One who like Cameron fed us this Brexit mantra of xenophobic warlocks.
Ive potted a few posh boys in my time Killy,mostly on a rugby field.
We could be chums
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| Gorbechev on 18:55 - Aug 31 with 388 views | Catullus |
| Gorbechev on 18:43 - Aug 31 by onehunglow |
Monumentally arrogant is Corbyn.
I dont mind posh boys myself s they as they are honest and competent.Johnson was neither. One who like Cameron fed us this Brexit mantra of xenophobic warlocks.
Ive potted a few posh boys in my time Killy,mostly on a rugby field.
We could be chums
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I've met many liars and incompetents in my time and the worst of these was more often the posh ones.
Just look at government, look at all the liars and deceivers, Bojo is king of them though. How many "Not posh" people make it to the top in politics or industry? Then look at all the incompetence and notice where it stems from. | |
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| Gorbechev on 19:44 - Aug 31 with 373 views | onehunglow |
| Gorbechev on 18:55 - Aug 31 by Catullus |
I've met many liars and incompetents in my time and the worst of these was more often the posh ones.
Just look at government, look at all the liars and deceivers, Bojo is king of them though. How many "Not posh" people make it to the top in politics or industry? Then look at all the incompetence and notice where it stems from. |
Its a fair point
Uber posh to me often means stupid public school chap being sent away to school to be ritually bullied in some way. | |
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| Gorbechev on 19:55 - Aug 31 with 371 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Gorbechev on 18:43 - Aug 31 by onehunglow |
Monumentally arrogant is Corbyn.
I dont mind posh boys myself s they as they are honest and competent.Johnson was neither. One who like Cameron fed us this Brexit mantra of xenophobic warlocks.
Ive potted a few posh boys in my time Killy,mostly on a rugby field.
We could be chums
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