| Was last nights draw a turning point for Martin ? 01:10 - Sep 1 with 1174 views | KeithHaynes |
I enjoyed that far more than any other away game this season so far, including Blackpool. |  |
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| Was last nights draw a turning point for Martin ? on 01:18 - Sep 1 with 1152 views | Dr_Parnassus |
That will be up to him.
Only he can turn around 1 win in 15. Playing Piroe in the right position is a start, although that seemed more a reluctant change due to the situation with Oba rather than a tactical realisation.
Only consistently winning again will be a turning point, and he has more control over that than any one person at the club. |  |
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| Was last nights draw a turning point for Martin ? on 01:44 - Sep 1 with 1139 views | KeithHaynes |
| Was last nights draw a turning point for Martin ? on 01:18 - Sep 1 by Dr_Parnassus |
That will be up to him.
Only he can turn around 1 win in 15. Playing Piroe in the right position is a start, although that seemed more a reluctant change due to the situation with Oba rather than a tactical realisation.
Only consistently winning again will be a turning point, and he has more control over that than any one person at the club. |
Do you think he is capable ? | |
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| Was last nights draw a turning point for Martin ? on 01:46 - Sep 1 with 1126 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Was last nights draw a turning point for Martin ? on 01:44 - Sep 1 by KeithHaynes |
Do you think he is capable ? |
Tough question to answer.
He hasn’t shown he is capable thus far.
I don’t believe he is capable without fundamentally changing things, if he is willing to change then yes I’m pretty sure he can do an awful lot better than he has been.
Which is why this is up to him. | |
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| Was last nights draw a turning point for Martin ? on 06:25 - Sep 1 with 1043 views | jackal |
Surely he could see how much improved last night's performance was. We attacked at speed and in numbers. We looked dangerous and effective.
The only time it was bad was when we insisted on fannying around at the back. It was heart in the mouth time every time we tried it.
I'm actually looking forward to QPR now. If only he plays like that again.
Get it forward!! |  | | |
| Was last nights draw a turning point for Martin ? on 06:40 - Sep 1 with 1031 views | vetchonian |
| Was last nights draw a turning point for Martin ? on 06:25 - Sep 1 by jackal |
Surely he could see how much improved last night's performance was. We attacked at speed and in numbers. We looked dangerous and effective.
The only time it was bad was when we insisted on fannying around at the back. It was heart in the mouth time every time we tried it.
I'm actually looking forward to QPR now. If only he plays like that again.
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whilst last night was better the same old issues were present we were lucky not to find ourselves 1 nil down in the opening minutes following another mistake from this playing out through Fisher. We were lucky the chip hit the post and the rebound put wide. we then got our goal played with more pace and intent than of late..even Sorinola shone with him getting lots of space.Oli Cooper was a revelation hopefully he will start more.Despite all of this we yet again gave away a late goal yet again after changing the shape of the defence...and poor keeping from Fisher .
Still a lot to do an improvement but the underlying issues still remain |  |
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| Was last nights draw a turning point for Martin ? on 07:17 - Sep 1 with 991 views | jojaca |
| Was last nights draw a turning point for Martin ? on 06:40 - Sep 1 by vetchonian |
whilst last night was better the same old issues were present we were lucky not to find ourselves 1 nil down in the opening minutes following another mistake from this playing out through Fisher. We were lucky the chip hit the post and the rebound put wide. we then got our goal played with more pace and intent than of late..even Sorinola shone with him getting lots of space.Oli Cooper was a revelation hopefully he will start more.Despite all of this we yet again gave away a late goal yet again after changing the shape of the defence...and poor keeping from Fisher .
Still a lot to do an improvement but the underlying issues still remain |
No, it's just one opposition with their first game under new management. I thought Stoke in general play was extremely poor.
Plus points was Sorinola improved, but still looked like a league one player for me. Some wingers in this division will destroy him, so weak in the tackle, but was more involved going forward, great cross for the goal, but I thought he could have been more clinical with the passes and crosses after the goal. Still think right wing back is an absolute must.
Oli Cooper played really well, It was just nice to see some running legs in the team further up the pitch. Still early days to see if he can produce that every week. Last night proved Ntcham continues to be not the fit for us.
Hopefully playing Piroe at top last night has ended his deeper role in the team, looked more threatening with our best striker in his correct position.
I still think we are a long way off turning the corner, these type performances have usually followed up by absolute stinker of a game at home. We still need to turn the risk down playing from the back and when winning need to continue going for goals, I have no confidence in our defence, they show patches of brilliance followed by basic errors. I always think we need to score about three to win games. [Post edited 1 Sep 2022 7:18]
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| Was last nights draw a turning point for Martin ? on 07:31 - Sep 1 with 958 views | Dr_Winston |
In much the same way as the first half against Millwall was a turning point.
We're still doing the same stupid goal kick routine. We're still trying to defend our way to the final whistle. We're still making the same mistakes. Grimes is still captain. Nothing is being learned and it's hard to see things changing. |  |
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| Was last nights draw a turning point for Martin ? on 07:39 - Sep 1 with 945 views | cadleigh |
I’d love to think so. Like you, I enjoyed what I saw of that game - in my case, more than any performance since Cardiff last season.
But we’ve been here before, and usually when Martin changes tack it’s forced on him by his in-favour players being unavailable. As soon as he can, he reverts to type.
If he starts Piroe as the main striker against QPR (I think he will have to it Obafemi leaves today and Piroe stays), starts Oli (I think he will do that too), tells Fisher not to play the ball short (doubtful) and works really hard on subs and late game management, he could still turn things round.
I agree with you, though, Saturday is critical for him. Last night some of his most die-hard supporters gave up on him. He has very little credit left in the bank of public opinion. | |
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| Was last nights draw a turning point for Martin ? on 08:00 - Sep 1 with 906 views | guthrieintherain |
The players gave there all but the risky passing from the keeper is mad as is Martins subs baffles me every game. [Post edited 1 Sep 2022 8:02]
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| Was last nights draw a turning point for Martin ? on 08:18 - Sep 1 with 867 views | PawelAbbott |
Stoke somehow contrived to miss an open goal in the first 5 minutes.
That came from stupid passing in our defence.
We then took the lead and held it until the 90th minute before losing it.
The game had all the key ingredients of every other Martin performance, its just that Stoke are almost as bad as us. | | | |
| Was last nights draw a turning point for Martin ? on 08:18 - Sep 1 with 865 views | onehunglow |
Look at the result and the time of the equaliser and it negates any enjoyment at all. How can anyone enjoy leading a dire Stoke side for most of the game yet concede a goal the like of which we do all the time,right at the death.
Lessons are not being learned at all. Game management is just that and it passes us by.
It's pointless having young bloods like Cooper who are busting a gut and terrifying the opposition only to bench him late in the game when he is still vibrant.
We have a keeper that is clearly a target for opposition forwards of size as they know he is weak and indecicive
We are still in relegation area,still not winning ,still replicating mistakes .
Enjoy? I've enjoyed loose ablutions in a farmers field more. | |
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| Was last nights draw a turning point for Martin ? on 09:15 - Sep 1 with 800 views | cadleigh |
| Was last nights draw a turning point for Martin ? on 08:18 - Sep 1 by onehunglow |
Look at the result and the time of the equaliser and it negates any enjoyment at all. How can anyone enjoy leading a dire Stoke side for most of the game yet concede a goal the like of which we do all the time,right at the death.
Lessons are not being learned at all. Game management is just that and it passes us by.
It's pointless having young bloods like Cooper who are busting a gut and terrifying the opposition only to bench him late in the game when he is still vibrant.
We have a keeper that is clearly a target for opposition forwards of size as they know he is weak and indecicive
We are still in relegation area,still not winning ,still replicating mistakes .
Enjoy? I've enjoyed loose ablutions in a farmers field more. |
I’ve spent most of my 50-odd years dreading the final few minutes of Swans games. Apart from that period when Trundle was showboating outrageously, I’ve never felt particularly safe no matter how many goals we are ahead. So I’ve learned not to let the final result spoil my enjoyment of the game - or put a rosy tint on a generally poor performance. Last night I felt there was a lot to enjoy about the way we played. Above all, the proof that we have the squad to do better than we are. A lot better.
Everything else is down to the manager. | |
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| Was last nights draw a turning point for Martin ? on 09:19 - Sep 1 with 793 views | onehunglow |
| Was last nights draw a turning point for Martin ? on 09:15 - Sep 1 by cadleigh |
I’ve spent most of my 50-odd years dreading the final few minutes of Swans games. Apart from that period when Trundle was showboating outrageously, I’ve never felt particularly safe no matter how many goals we are ahead. So I’ve learned not to let the final result spoil my enjoyment of the game - or put a rosy tint on a generally poor performance. Last night I felt there was a lot to enjoy about the way we played. Above all, the proof that we have the squad to do better than we are. A lot better.
Everything else is down to the manager. |
Decent post. | |
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