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ive never been in the Holloway out camp as I loved his last spell with us and ive been saying at least give him until the end of the season to improve things because yes we are in trouble with FFP and we are trying to do things the right way in how we are trying to model the club for the future but some of the performances since October have been terrible , the hoof ball , the aimless tactics, the criticism of our fanbase , the clowning around , the away performances , yes we are cutting the wage bill but we have a huge squad of players still on decent money, we are not plucky blyth spartens entering a 3rd round fa cup tie against man city , we have one of the largest squads in the championship , the likes of Preston, Barnsley ,Leeds, Ipswich , Millwall, Burton, Cardiff, sheff utd, Brentford all have similar budgets to us and in some cases have smaller ones yet some of these clubs find a way to win away or play some decent stuff or over achieve in their league placing's if you look at Holloway's record here it is terrible and the stats don't lie, for me he does get a free pass at times more so than say JFH or Ramsey ever did , Olly is coming into the 2nd half of the season with a lot of his defenders coming back so now is the time to judge him, id love him to succeed here but my head tells me it will still end in tears , on a side note he has to play a strong team the weekend the only 3 I would leave out would be Luango, Ned and Freeman who really do need a rest other than that we have to go for it, a cup run would give Holloway so much more credit and turn most of the doubters around
And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
far too many QPR fans desperate for the team to lose so they can say i told you so and get manager sacked, absolute toss pots
Can you explain that comment. Surely being a fan of something by definition excludes wanting that something not to prosper. So if you want the team to lose then by any definition of the term you are not a fan
Can you explain that comment. Surely being a fan of something by definition excludes wanting that something not to prosper. So if you want the team to lose then by any definition of the term you are not a fan
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Therein lies the nub of the problem. IMO those people may have been fans once upon a time but when constructive criticism turns into blinkered vitriol with no solutions offered to shortcomings in the club/ team WHY, then you have ceased to be a fan and are just someone wasting their life on something they no longer care for.
Therein lies the nub of the problem. IMO those people may have been fans once upon a time but when constructive criticism turns into blinkered vitriol with no solutions offered to shortcomings in the club/ team WHY, then you have ceased to be a fan and are just someone wasting their life on something they no longer care for.
See Clive's column in matchday programme.
In summary, once people express an opinion on 'social media' they feel obliged to defend it/justify it whatever happens in reality.
In summary, once people express an opinion on 'social media' they feel obliged to defend it/justify it whatever happens in reality.
And if you've been doing that for years you become so entrenched in it you lose sight of everything else i.e. you're a QPR fan, it's good when we win.
he's made his account private now thank merciful God but I used to get streams and streams of messages from @number8buser slating absolutely everything about QPR all the time. Lead up to the opening day of the season he was basically Tweeting me, Fernandes, the official feed and sending out dozens and dozens of replies to the responses all day every day for the whole week based on his absolute promise that we would lose at least 3-0 to Reading on day one. When we won and played well he sent one Tweet out claiming responsibility for the win, then immediately started talking about how we were going to get annihilated at Sheffield Wednesday (drew 1-1). When that didn't happen he then set sail on Fernandes again for the rest of August saying if we didn't spend at least £3m on a striker we would definitely finish bottom this year.
And if you've been doing that for years you become so entrenched in it you lose sight of everything else i.e. you're a QPR fan, it's good when we win.
he's made his account private now thank merciful God but I used to get streams and streams of messages from @number8buser slating absolutely everything about QPR all the time. Lead up to the opening day of the season he was basically Tweeting me, Fernandes, the official feed and sending out dozens and dozens of replies to the responses all day every day for the whole week based on his absolute promise that we would lose at least 3-0 to Reading on day one. When we won and played well he sent one Tweet out claiming responsibility for the win, then immediately started talking about how we were going to get annihilated at Sheffield Wednesday (drew 1-1). When that didn't happen he then set sail on Fernandes again for the rest of August saying if we didn't spend at least £3m on a striker we would definitely finish bottom this year.
He used to be semi-normal on Vital, I don't do social media much so not got a clue what occurred but I do think that Twitter is a real problem for sport. Causes far more issues than it solves.
And if you've been doing that for years you become so entrenched in it you lose sight of everything else i.e. you're a QPR fan, it's good when we win.
he's made his account private now thank merciful God but I used to get streams and streams of messages from @number8buser slating absolutely everything about QPR all the time. Lead up to the opening day of the season he was basically Tweeting me, Fernandes, the official feed and sending out dozens and dozens of replies to the responses all day every day for the whole week based on his absolute promise that we would lose at least 3-0 to Reading on day one. When we won and played well he sent one Tweet out claiming responsibility for the win, then immediately started talking about how we were going to get annihilated at Sheffield Wednesday (drew 1-1). When that didn't happen he then set sail on Fernandes again for the rest of August saying if we didn't spend at least £3m on a striker we would definitely finish bottom this year.
I know you explained why but don't know how you do it.
Don't do facebook or twitter - this forum & 'RefChat' enough social networking for me!
He used to be semi-normal on Vital, I don't do social media much so not got a clue what occurred but I do think that Twitter is a real problem for sport. Causes far more issues than it solves.
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"I do think that social media is a real problem for humanity. Causes far more issues than it solves."
"I do think that social media is a real problem for humanity. Causes far more issues than it solves."
I generally view twitter as something used by the same people who in the past would write “witty” things on the walls of toilets. Now they just have a bigger cubicle to write on.
I've not posted for ages because I didn't think I had much to offer. I am one that wants now to put my head up and say I'm glad Olly is our manager. He is a QPR man and although not perfect will do his best for our club, without his main objective being about his next job.
I hope he is learning that when the players picked don't perform its necessary to try something new as he did in this game. Until the recent efforts our player development system had been failing, but now hopefully it can bring along players for our manager to consider. Ideally the current system needs more time to bring fully honed players ready to fit right in, but we haven't got that luxury, so risks might need to be taken and I hope many of them pay off as they did in this game.
I like the way our club is now being run and with so much negativity around I thought it best to say it.
I have, however, lost a lot of belief in football in general and the Premier league in particular where obscene amounts of money are being used to pay and induct players into clubs. These so called superstars who demand these sums are not at all important compared to some of our real superstars working for our NHS and saving lives for a small fraction of what footballers get for kicking a football round a field. I think SKY and the people who pay its subscription should take responsibility for the damage they have done to our once beautiful game. I'm probably in a small minority, but I hope QPR don't get back into the Premier league and the BBC decides to downplay its obsession with it.
And if you've been doing that for years you become so entrenched in it you lose sight of everything else i.e. you're a QPR fan, it's good when we win.
he's made his account private now thank merciful God but I used to get streams and streams of messages from @number8buser slating absolutely everything about QPR all the time. Lead up to the opening day of the season he was basically Tweeting me, Fernandes, the official feed and sending out dozens and dozens of replies to the responses all day every day for the whole week based on his absolute promise that we would lose at least 3-0 to Reading on day one. When we won and played well he sent one Tweet out claiming responsibility for the win, then immediately started talking about how we were going to get annihilated at Sheffield Wednesday (drew 1-1). When that didn't happen he then set sail on Fernandes again for the rest of August saying if we didn't spend at least £3m on a striker we would definitely finish bottom this year.
Doesn't this sound like some sort of OCD problem?
Social media gives unlimited platform to people with behavioural and social issues when pre-internet they were restricted to workmates and family (if any) and writing letters in green ink to the local paper.
I've not posted for ages because I didn't think I had much to offer. I am one that wants now to put my head up and say I'm glad Olly is our manager. He is a QPR man and although not perfect will do his best for our club, without his main objective being about his next job.
I hope he is learning that when the players picked don't perform its necessary to try something new as he did in this game. Until the recent efforts our player development system had been failing, but now hopefully it can bring along players for our manager to consider. Ideally the current system needs more time to bring fully honed players ready to fit right in, but we haven't got that luxury, so risks might need to be taken and I hope many of them pay off as they did in this game.
I like the way our club is now being run and with so much negativity around I thought it best to say it.
I have, however, lost a lot of belief in football in general and the Premier league in particular where obscene amounts of money are being used to pay and induct players into clubs. These so called superstars who demand these sums are not at all important compared to some of our real superstars working for our NHS and saving lives for a small fraction of what footballers get for kicking a football round a field. I think SKY and the people who pay its subscription should take responsibility for the damage they have done to our once beautiful game. I'm probably in a small minority, but I hope QPR don't get back into the Premier league and the BBC decides to downplay its obsession with it.
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"He is a QPR man and although not perfect will do his best for our club, without his main objective being about his next job."
Throw a rock into the crowd anywhere but the school end and the chances are you will hit some-one who fits those criteria.
The question remains: is that person up to the job? After last season and this, despite occasional flashes of genuinely creditworthy performance, I have very strong doubts that Holloway is.
The job is to avoid relegation while the club rebuilds. Will we avoid relegation under Holloway?
"He is a QPR man and although not perfect will do his best for our club, without his main objective being about his next job."
Throw a rock into the crowd anywhere but the school end and the chances are you will hit some-one who fits those criteria.
The question remains: is that person up to the job? After last season and this, despite occasional flashes of genuinely creditworthy performance, I have very strong doubts that Holloway is.
The job is to avoid relegation while the club rebuilds. Will we avoid relegation under Holloway?
Time and time again like the op you just focus on IH. Do you share the same brain cell?
It's like you and the like are fecking brain dead and DaveB is absolutely right some just want us to fail and he gets the sack so you can say "I told you so"
All you ever do is post negatives, dig dig dig dig at the manager, you are boring and depressing if you call that supporting you can feck right off.
Staying up or going down is and will be more to do with getting goals, now so far as I have seen it's not IH on the pitch missing any, just the blunt tools that call themselves strikers AKA Washington, Sylla, Mackie, criticising them is fully justified.
And you can stick your manager stats up your arse.
Shit original post. At least QPR put more effort into the game than you do in putting together a post. Pretty much everything about it is wrong. Eleven words, at least eight mistakes. That takes some doing.
Several prominent accounts on Twitter where this is absolutely the case, and a couple of them were the same with Ramsey and Hasselbaink as well. Basically spent the last four years hoping QPR lose so another manager gets sacked and they can tell their dozens of followers how right they were.
There's quite a few on FB pages as well. But nothing beats the div who posted about 3 weeks ago ' 'my dads best mate is an agent, he's told him Ollie is sacked, just sorting out the compo'. When people took the piss out of him he retorted ' when this is revealed next week I'll be laughing at you all'.....he hasn't laughed in weeks..hasn't commented on the two wins in 5 yet. As opposed to the BBC who keep saying 2 wins in eleven which makes it sound worse.
"He is a QPR man and although not perfect will do his best for our club, without his main objective being about his next job."
Throw a rock into the crowd anywhere but the school end and the chances are you will hit some-one who fits those criteria.
The question remains: is that person up to the job? After last season and this, despite occasional flashes of genuinely creditworthy performance, I have very strong doubts that Holloway is.
The job is to avoid relegation while the club rebuilds. Will we avoid relegation under Holloway?
That same rock, even if it was the size of the moon wouldn't hit anyone who has managed AND played 100s of games in professional football, many of them at the top level.
To imply his only qualification is his love of the club (He's from Bristol btw, so NOT actually a lifelong fan) is ridiculous.
I've not posted for ages because I didn't think I had much to offer. I am one that wants now to put my head up and say I'm glad Olly is our manager. He is a QPR man and although not perfect will do his best for our club, without his main objective being about his next job.
I hope he is learning that when the players picked don't perform its necessary to try something new as he did in this game. Until the recent efforts our player development system had been failing, but now hopefully it can bring along players for our manager to consider. Ideally the current system needs more time to bring fully honed players ready to fit right in, but we haven't got that luxury, so risks might need to be taken and I hope many of them pay off as they did in this game.
I like the way our club is now being run and with so much negativity around I thought it best to say it.
I have, however, lost a lot of belief in football in general and the Premier league in particular where obscene amounts of money are being used to pay and induct players into clubs. These so called superstars who demand these sums are not at all important compared to some of our real superstars working for our NHS and saving lives for a small fraction of what footballers get for kicking a football round a field. I think SKY and the people who pay its subscription should take responsibility for the damage they have done to our once beautiful game. I'm probably in a small minority, but I hope QPR don't get back into the Premier league and the BBC decides to downplay its obsession with it.
[Post edited 2 Jan 2018 20:31]
I couldn't agree more! Things are heading in the right direction....I think this could be my first post.
Anyone out there who thinks a change of manager is all we need must have a very short memory or be very short on brain cells
Sky, the FA and even the government allow man city to boss the premier league financed through the well documented slavery that goes on throughout the UAE
While any foreign criminal with bags of cash to launder is free to buy any club they can afford and run them into the ground. Not long before football implodes. I couldn't give a toss about England the world cup or who the next record breaking transfer is.
That same rock, even if it was the size of the moon wouldn't hit anyone who has managed AND played 100s of games in professional football, many of them at the top level.
To imply his only qualification is his love of the club (He's from Bristol btw, so NOT actually a lifelong fan) is ridiculous.
Those criteria weren't mine, they were from a Holloway supporter. You didn't criticise him for being insufficiently stringent. I was pointing out how lacking in rigour it was to accept Holloway on those criteria.
I am only holding Holloway to one performance standard: he must not allow us to be relegated. I want the club to be continually improving, but the way the club is being forced to restructure at the moment, avoiding relegation is the only manager's minimum performance standard we can set.
Relegation would be a catastrophe. We would have to strip our Championship-salaried squad and rebuild nearly from scratch with only a minor fraction of current gate income and effectively no TV money. Clive himself predicted relegation would result in at least three or four seasons in League One. And stuffing up that rebuild up doesn't bear thinking about for a club that was top flight club as recently as 2015.
If we wait for him to relegate us, it will be too late, the damage will be done. He can't demand or be given the right to prove his failure before being dismissed: no manager's employment should take priority over the welfare of the club.
So how do we assess if relegation is a risk? Saying 'bottom three' is also too late. It requires that we outperform clubs above us to escape, ie, something that may be possible, but you couldn't see it as being the likely outcome.
It doesn't cover all the time that the second tier has been 24 clubs, but the 14 years given is a reasonably predictive sample. What follows from that is 'how many points did clubs have when they were safe/relegated?'. Points per game is a simplified way of comparing progress through the season against a straight line from no points pre-season to safety or relegation with x number of points after 46 games.
I only keep coming back to statistics because of the club's potential jeopardy through poor performance. Criticism of performance is usually answered with supposedly Holloway-induced intangibles such as 'renewed spirit', 'heart' and 'playing for the club/badge'. They are worthy attributes when they are there (which is not all of the time), but they do not substitute for poor results. Focus on the cold, hard numbers that determine which division we play in.
Holloway is saddled with his own inconsistency. Twice last season he managed six games without a point, and he has also done one point out of a potential eighteen this season. Whatever league position we occupy must be considered with at least the possibility of another bad run of form.
I don't have anything against Holloway. I don't care whether he is as funny as Jimmy Carr or as verbal gaffe-ridden as a Trump or Fernandes. I don't care if he bleeds blue-and-white or if he's just a jobbing manager. I don't particularly care what his performance was last time he managed, anywhere. That is too far removed. I am interested only in his last 14 months as an general indication of what he is capable of here, and more especially this season as an indicator of his performance and our potential fate.
I keep asking this question: more than anything else we can reasonably do, in order to avoid a significant likelihood of relegation this season, is it more reasonable to a) keep Holloway, or b), try to replace him? At the moment, my evaluation is that circumstances favour 'keep', but it's a close decision and the window of reasonable opportunity for change hasn't yet closed.
Do you know what really bothers me? The possible effect of change in that window trends downwards to the end of the month, when it effectively flattens out at some minimal level. Any new manager after then would be limited to whatever resources as are already available to Holloway. So the decision must rest on an entirely irrelevant Cup game (sorry, Clive), and a race against time with a run that should probably go WDL, but who knows? And what will the real cellar-dwellers do over that time? Jeez!
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