| WLS - Edwards might be moved into QPR’s midfield 19:19 - Mar 10 with 5113 views | Markofthegrove |
Interesting stuff here because he is starting to tie himself in knots. Whose fault that is I don't know, but we have probably gone over that many times already.
He says, "I have to find some options. That’s why I wanted to see Ronnie in the last 15 to 20 minutes of the (Middlesbrough) game as a midfielder.”
Well, you bombed out a fantastic option that would run, tackle, read the game, and look like he gives a toss.
Also he says: “To change the shape we need experienced players who understand very quickly what you want to do on the pitch.
“I think now, in this moment, you need to be very simple. The more simple, the better it is, because when you drop in terms of confidence, especially with some young players, you don’t have to invent difficult things—just stay simple and try to rebuild confidence.”
Now this is where his complete lack of flexibility can really be called into question. Ok, there is no one in their 30's in the current starting lineup, but they are all between 22 and 30 (if cook isn't playing). We are hardly flinging the class of 92' out there together, absolute nonsense and complete inflexibility on his part. It worries me because he is looking for excuses and not trying to find solutions.
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| WLS - Edwards might be moved into QPR’s midfield on 09:07 - Mar 11 with 1334 views | Markofthegrove |
| WLS - Edwards might be moved into QPR’s midfield on 08:36 - Mar 11 by Ad99 |
I love the way that Sam Field has become suddenly the answer to most of our problems. Try Edwards in midfield; why not?
It's just a shame that we don't have anyone who can play the role role/purpose as Madsen. Morgan has that potential, with more mobility. |
He was the answer to our problems in two different seasons where we nearly got relegated, he was one of the few who lead with distinction, gave a toss and chipped in from midfield with the odd goal. | | | |
| WLS - Edwards might be moved into QPR’s midfield on 09:09 - Mar 11 with 1325 views | Blue_Castello |
| WLS - Edwards might be moved into QPR’s midfield on 07:38 - Mar 11 by Northernr |
I mean if it isn't striking the rest of the people as some form of ludicrous that we're considering moving our £4.5m left sided centre back into midfield because we've got nobody else, and cover him with somebody whose legs are held together with elastic bands and chewing gum when we're playing away tonight and again on Saturday, while our best and most experienced defender sits on the bench and our best and most experienced left sided midfielder plays for Norwich, then I'm concerned for them. |
Bingo Field has always been the best option to play along side Madsen, it's a really good combination, it makes me reminisce about the superb Derry/Faurlin combination, it was there we just never gave it a chance.
I kept telling myself that the reason Super John Varane was continually picked in front of Field was to give him more exposure and experience with a view to a sale, well that's all gone pear shaped. |  | | |
| WLS - Edwards might be moved into QPR’s midfield on 09:14 - Mar 11 with 1269 views | Ad99 |
| WLS - Edwards might be moved into QPR’s midfield on 08:57 - Mar 11 by Northernr |
Well I also love the way people go "as if Sam Field's THE ANSWER TO ALL OF OUR PROBLEMS".
Who's said that? Who's said he's the answer to all of our problems? He's not.
However, if you're so short at left back and left sided central midfield that you're playing a centre back there, he might be an answer to that, as a left sided central midfielder who can play left back. |
Where did I make a literal reference? It was more the sentiment. E.G. 'while our midfielder is killing it for Norwich', 'it was smart to let Field go...' etc etc. Rose-tintedness? The same 'If Kolli was playing...' vibe.
Just smacks of a desperate need to find answers. Like Cook; it felt like there was clamour to get Edwards into the team after his 'pre-season' phase and Cook played poorly against Blackburn (I think) where we couldn't get the ball forward from defence. Yes, re-installing him (whatever contract issues aside) might stop the goals but we could lose out in another area. Personal opinion, but I rate Edwards to be better on the ball.
Could Field have been a serious option at LB for more than one game? Anyway, it's all moot because the guy wanted to play and wanted action in his position. | | | |
| WLS - Edwards might be moved into QPR’s midfield on 09:14 - Mar 11 with 1263 views | stevec |
Mr Edwards, we’ve paid £4.5 million for you, welcome to the club.
Just one question, we don’t actually know where you play, wonder if you could help us with that? |  | | |
| WLS - Edwards might be moved into QPR’s midfield on 09:17 - Mar 11 with 1251 views | TheChef |
Well it worked pretty well in that Leeds home game when he played in midfield, so here's hoping.
Although I think the defence behind him that day was a little more robust... |  |
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| WLS - Edwards might be moved into QPR’s midfield on 09:25 - Mar 11 with 1216 views | francisbowles |
The bigger problem tonight is left back. RND, we are told, can't do three game weeks. | | | |
| WLS - Edwards might be moved into QPR’s midfield on 09:33 - Mar 11 with 1185 views | Markofthegrove |
I have seen at least 10 Sam Field games for QPR, where he has been our best player. I have seen maybe 1 (Leicester away in the cup, still lost), where Varane was our best player. | | | |
| WLS - Edwards might be moved into QPR’s midfield on 09:44 - Mar 11 with 1161 views | Mr_Beef |
| WLS - Edwards might be moved into QPR’s midfield on 09:14 - Mar 11 by Ad99 |
Where did I make a literal reference? It was more the sentiment. E.G. 'while our midfielder is killing it for Norwich', 'it was smart to let Field go...' etc etc. Rose-tintedness? The same 'If Kolli was playing...' vibe.
Just smacks of a desperate need to find answers. Like Cook; it felt like there was clamour to get Edwards into the team after his 'pre-season' phase and Cook played poorly against Blackburn (I think) where we couldn't get the ball forward from defence. Yes, re-installing him (whatever contract issues aside) might stop the goals but we could lose out in another area. Personal opinion, but I rate Edwards to be better on the ball.
Could Field have been a serious option at LB for more than one game? Anyway, it's all moot because the guy wanted to play and wanted action in his position. |
There's a big difference between Field and Kolli. Field has done a good job at this level for a number of years and is now playing well at another Championship club.
The manager is entitled to not pick Field, but he is the only one who has worked with Field in recent years not to do so. It's backfired now, that's mainly on the manager, and also on the DoF for the way that fitness and recruitment is managed at the club.
There's no desperate need about asking why our £4.5m central defender is potentially changing position again when we have bombed out a decent Championship midfielder. |  | | |
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| WLS - Edwards might be moved into QPR’s midfield on 09:57 - Mar 11 with 1106 views | terryb |
| WLS - Edwards might be moved into QPR’s midfield on 09:14 - Mar 11 by Ad99 |
Where did I make a literal reference? It was more the sentiment. E.G. 'while our midfielder is killing it for Norwich', 'it was smart to let Field go...' etc etc. Rose-tintedness? The same 'If Kolli was playing...' vibe.
Just smacks of a desperate need to find answers. Like Cook; it felt like there was clamour to get Edwards into the team after his 'pre-season' phase and Cook played poorly against Blackburn (I think) where we couldn't get the ball forward from defence. Yes, re-installing him (whatever contract issues aside) might stop the goals but we could lose out in another area. Personal opinion, but I rate Edwards to be better on the ball.
Could Field have been a serious option at LB for more than one game? Anyway, it's all moot because the guy wanted to play and wanted action in his position. |
Lets look at this a little.
Did Sam Field want to go to another club to play football? Yes, I'm sure he did & it shows his attitude is what we need from our players. Would Sam Field have wanted to move to another club if he had been playing regulary? I don't know but I doubt it. Personally, I would have wanted to leave as well if I was sidelined in favour of Varane & Hayden.
Where I do agree with you is that Edwards is better on the ball than any of our other defenders & midfielders (apart from Madsen), but not playing Cook as we might lose out in other areas although it might stop the goals is a frightening attitude! Stop giving away goals is our first priority at the moment & it doesn't matter how good Edwards is on the ball if we don't win possession.
What we have to do now is play our best defence & if that means not playing someone that we paid £4.5m for, then so be it. Personally, I've no objection to trying Edwards in midfield (it would be very hard for him to be worse than Varane), but he wouldn't be part of our best defence! | | | |
| WLS - Edwards might be moved into QPR’s midfield on 10:08 - Mar 11 with 1076 views | TheChef |
| WLS - Edwards might be moved into QPR’s midfield on 09:57 - Mar 11 by terryb |
Lets look at this a little.
Did Sam Field want to go to another club to play football? Yes, I'm sure he did & it shows his attitude is what we need from our players. Would Sam Field have wanted to move to another club if he had been playing regulary? I don't know but I doubt it. Personally, I would have wanted to leave as well if I was sidelined in favour of Varane & Hayden.
Where I do agree with you is that Edwards is better on the ball than any of our other defenders & midfielders (apart from Madsen), but not playing Cook as we might lose out in other areas although it might stop the goals is a frightening attitude! Stop giving away goals is our first priority at the moment & it doesn't matter how good Edwards is on the ball if we don't win possession.
What we have to do now is play our best defence & if that means not playing someone that we paid £4.5m for, then so be it. Personally, I've no objection to trying Edwards in midfield (it would be very hard for him to be worse than Varane), but he wouldn't be part of our best defence! |
True - but I'd be happy with Cook and Dunne as our CB partnership.
But clearly something fishy is going on with Cook re appearances... | |
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| WLS - Edwards might be moved into QPR’s midfield on 12:00 - Mar 11 with 879 views | nick_hammersmith |
How old is Isaac Hayden? |  | | |
| WLS - Edwards might be moved into QPR’s midfield on 12:21 - Mar 11 with 843 views | QPunkR |
| WLS - Edwards might be moved into QPR’s midfield on 12:00 - Mar 11 by nick_hammersmith |
How old is Isaac Hayden? |
A million |  |
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| WLS - Edwards might be moved into QPR’s midfield on 12:41 - Mar 11 with 777 views | Beckenhamhoop |
| WLS - Edwards might be moved into QPR’s midfield on 07:38 - Mar 11 by Northernr |
I mean if it isn't striking the rest of the people as some form of ludicrous that we're considering moving our £4.5m left sided centre back into midfield because we've got nobody else, and cover him with somebody whose legs are held together with elastic bands and chewing gum when we're playing away tonight and again on Saturday, while our best and most experienced defender sits on the bench and our best and most experienced left sided midfielder plays for Norwich, then I'm concerned for them. |
I’d agree that midfield has been a clusterfeck this season and the reason why we’re having to play Edward’s in midfield. Morgan should have been out on loan gaining experience. It was clear from last season that Varane is hopeless and we should've taken that reported 5mil offer before the season started. Hayden was a questionable knee jerk signing in the aftermath of Coventry and, this is where we won’t agree, Field should also have been moved on if he wasn’t willing to be a squad player. He’s a decent chap and tries his hardest and chips in with the odd goal but we would should be looking at better footballers. In short we should’ve been looking at three new midfielders. It has been poor from Nourry. | | | |
| WLS - Edwards might be moved into QPR’s midfield on 12:45 - Mar 11 with 759 views | Northernr |
| WLS - Edwards might be moved into QPR’s midfield on 12:41 - Mar 11 by Beckenhamhoop |
I’d agree that midfield has been a clusterfeck this season and the reason why we’re having to play Edward’s in midfield. Morgan should have been out on loan gaining experience. It was clear from last season that Varane is hopeless and we should've taken that reported 5mil offer before the season started. Hayden was a questionable knee jerk signing in the aftermath of Coventry and, this is where we won’t agree, Field should also have been moved on if he wasn’t willing to be a squad player. He’s a decent chap and tries his hardest and chips in with the odd goal but we would should be looking at better footballers. In short we should’ve been looking at three new midfielders. It has been poor from Nourry. |
You’re right, I agree with most of that (didn’t mind Hayden as good, experienced cover) but not the Field thing. He should have been/should be playing. |  | | |
| WLS - Edwards might be moved into QPR’s midfield on 12:48 - Mar 11 with 739 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| WLS - Edwards might be moved into QPR’s midfield on 08:36 - Mar 11 by Ad99 |
I love the way that Sam Field has become suddenly the answer to most of our problems. Try Edwards in midfield; why not?
It's just a shame that we don't have anyone who can play the role role/purpose as Madsen. Morgan has that potential, with more mobility. |
Agree on the Madsen point, it's killed this team, and we all knew it would.
The Sam Field thing is a distraction as the issue that we have is that no one now can pass in CM. If you can't keep the ball, then you've got a major fckin problem. How many times did Varane and Hayden pass the ball straight out? Sam Field wouldn't address this.
Scandalous as this was always going to happen. I can't believe that more people are not angry about the summer transfer cock up, rather than moaning about Field. | |
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| WLS - Edwards might be moved into QPR’s midfield on 12:59 - Mar 11 with 687 views | nick_hammersmith |
| WLS - Edwards might be moved into QPR’s midfield on 20:34 - Mar 10 by OldPedro |
I think we should have tried to keep Field and played him. Then Morgan could have gone out on loan for the rest of the season, hopefully developing by playing 20 games at League one/Two |
I doubt any club would have paid a loan fee for Morgan that matched the one we got for Field, and the salary saving was needed to allow the Edwards signing.
But, yes, in an ideal world this is what should have happened.
I wonder if it was an option to loan out Hayden and keep Field? Field is much more useful, and maybe cheaper than Hayden? | | | |
| WLS - Edwards might be moved into QPR’s midfield on 12:59 - Mar 11 with 685 views | Northernr |
| WLS - Edwards might be moved into QPR’s midfield on 12:48 - Mar 11 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
Agree on the Madsen point, it's killed this team, and we all knew it would.
The Sam Field thing is a distraction as the issue that we have is that no one now can pass in CM. If you can't keep the ball, then you've got a major fckin problem. How many times did Varane and Hayden pass the ball straight out? Sam Field wouldn't address this.
Scandalous as this was always going to happen. I can't believe that more people are not angry about the summer transfer cock up, rather than moaning about Field. |
Tbf mate a lot of people on here have been annoyed and worried about this for a long time and saying as much. This time last year I said “you really want to give the ppl who built this team another swing at it in the summer?” Whether Field, Varane, Madsen, Morgan or whoever as your favourite topic, I think everyone on here is in agreement that even with the recruitment improvements last summer (more pace, more athleticism, more EFL experience, better strikers) they took a squad with issues at full back, midfield and goalkeeper into the window and emerged with the same. And all they’ve done since is add a striker the same as the one we’ve already got and another left sided centre back.
Your post doesn’t really match the poll you’ve got underneath it. | | | |
| WLS - Edwards might be moved into QPR’s midfield on 13:06 - Mar 11 with 655 views | Beckenhamhoop |
| WLS - Edwards might be moved into QPR’s midfield on 09:07 - Mar 11 by Markofthegrove |
He was the answer to our problems in two different seasons where we nearly got relegated, he was one of the few who lead with distinction, gave a toss and chipped in from midfield with the odd goal. |
It might have been partly the case that we were flirting with relegation due to a lack of quality in midfi3ld. If you want to continue with lower mid table mediocrity then keep the same players. I’d also suggest that being player of the match several times in the standard of football we’ve produced over the last two years is not much to shout about. | | | |
| WLS - Edwards might be moved into QPR’s midfield on 13:10 - Mar 11 with 646 views | NorthantsHoop |
Got to do something to get the midfield working with what we currently have, Edwards, Varane and Hayden across the middle, slot Cook back alongside Dunne at central defence. I do think that Morgan is struggling this season and would have him on the bench. My team for tonight would be Hamer, Mbengue, Norrington-Davies, Dunne, Cook, Edwards,Hayden, Varane, Smyth, Vale and Kone. Edwards looks our best option in breaking out through the middle, looks much better when he is on the offensive in my opinion. [Post edited 11 Mar 13:12]
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| WLS - Edwards might be moved into QPR’s midfield on 13:25 - Mar 11 with 582 views | 7374Ranger |
| WLS - Edwards might be moved into QPR’s midfield on 12:59 - Mar 11 by Northernr |
Tbf mate a lot of people on here have been annoyed and worried about this for a long time and saying as much. This time last year I said “you really want to give the ppl who built this team another swing at it in the summer?” Whether Field, Varane, Madsen, Morgan or whoever as your favourite topic, I think everyone on here is in agreement that even with the recruitment improvements last summer (more pace, more athleticism, more EFL experience, better strikers) they took a squad with issues at full back, midfield and goalkeeper into the window and emerged with the same. And all they’ve done since is add a striker the same as the one we’ve already got and another left sided centre back.
Your post doesn’t really match the poll you’ve got underneath it. |
I agree, that it wasn't a very good transfer window that left the squad short in certain areas of the pitch.
Most of us knew there was a big issue in goalkeeper, full back positions, central midfield and centre forward.
Nourry and Co. messed up in the summer and didn't address the issues in the winter window.
Sending Field out on loan just about summed up their failure. Madsen picking up an injury was always likely given how many games he was playing and the physical conditioning of the squad by a man whose expertise is in cycling competitions.
Shame on the club. | | | |
| WLS - Edwards might be moved into QPR’s midfield on 14:09 - Mar 11 with 483 views | numptydumpty |
Tbf Edwards in midfield could be the "Jimmy Dunne at right back" moment.
Currently, we are loaded with decent centre backs and our more creative ball playing midfielder is injured. There will be no massive expectation for Ronnie playing centre mid, and he could actually better suited to play there and better justify his fee value.
Think this is a no brainer. Fans currently harshly in my view, critical of Ronnie. But he has had no playing time recently and has come into the team in dreadful form and decimated by injuries and a goalkeeping crisis on top of that.
We need him to be the pivot, as clearly our creativity has hit the buffers, since the very predictable injury picked up by Madsen.
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| WLS - Edwards might be moved into QPR’s midfield on 14:20 - Mar 11 with 463 views | Markofthegrove |
| WLS - Edwards might be moved into QPR’s midfield on 12:59 - Mar 11 by Northernr |
Tbf mate a lot of people on here have been annoyed and worried about this for a long time and saying as much. This time last year I said “you really want to give the ppl who built this team another swing at it in the summer?” Whether Field, Varane, Madsen, Morgan or whoever as your favourite topic, I think everyone on here is in agreement that even with the recruitment improvements last summer (more pace, more athleticism, more EFL experience, better strikers) they took a squad with issues at full back, midfield and goalkeeper into the window and emerged with the same. And all they’ve done since is add a striker the same as the one we’ve already got and another left sided centre back.
Your post doesn’t really match the poll you’ve got underneath it. |
Also doesn't help when you are recruiting to play a certain way (apparently), have told the fanbase you recruit in a certain way. Then get humped 7 and have to completely change the way you play and end up with a lop sided squad. | | | |
| WLS - Edwards might be moved into QPR’s midfield on 14:49 - Mar 11 with 409 views | TheChef |
| WLS - Edwards might be moved into QPR’s midfield on 14:09 - Mar 11 by numptydumpty |
Tbf Edwards in midfield could be the "Jimmy Dunne at right back" moment.
Currently, we are loaded with decent centre backs and our more creative ball playing midfielder is injured. There will be no massive expectation for Ronnie playing centre mid, and he could actually better suited to play there and better justify his fee value.
Think this is a no brainer. Fans currently harshly in my view, critical of Ronnie. But he has had no playing time recently and has come into the team in dreadful form and decimated by injuries and a goalkeeping crisis on top of that.
We need him to be the pivot, as clearly our creativity has hit the buffers, since the very predictable injury picked up by Madsen.
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Good points.
Hope he goes well tonight. | |
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| WLS - Edwards might be moved into QPR’s midfield on 16:18 - Mar 11 with 315 views | rbee |
| WLS - Edwards might be moved into QPR’s midfield on 12:41 - Mar 11 by Beckenhamhoop |
I’d agree that midfield has been a clusterfeck this season and the reason why we’re having to play Edward’s in midfield. Morgan should have been out on loan gaining experience. It was clear from last season that Varane is hopeless and we should've taken that reported 5mil offer before the season started. Hayden was a questionable knee jerk signing in the aftermath of Coventry and, this is where we won’t agree, Field should also have been moved on if he wasn’t willing to be a squad player. He’s a decent chap and tries his hardest and chips in with the odd goal but we would should be looking at better footballers. In short we should’ve been looking at three new midfielders. It has been poor from Nourry. |
Better footballers unfortunately cost money.
We do need a couple of new faces in midfield especially an annoying aggressive type which we haven't had for years. We still need a right back and left back. maybe a keeper, it's never ending. Hopefully up front and in centre defence we are ok for the time being.
Obviously for a team in our position, battling the Profit and Sustainability regulations, recruitment really has to be spot on. Expensive failures have a long term effect.
Players like Sam Field are very important to us not only because they are decent footballers but because they can play in several positions, vital when you have a small squad. I am hoping that Ronnie Edwards will be in the same mould.
Hayden appeared to be a good signing at the time but he has disappointed me lately, as the senior pro on the pitch I am expecting more from him both in performance and encouraging everyone around him. [Post edited 11 Mar 17:14]
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| WLS - Edwards might be moved into QPR’s midfield on 16:38 - Mar 11 with 253 views | R_from_afar |
| WLS - Edwards might be moved into QPR’s midfield on 12:48 - Mar 11 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
Agree on the Madsen point, it's killed this team, and we all knew it would.
The Sam Field thing is a distraction as the issue that we have is that no one now can pass in CM. If you can't keep the ball, then you've got a major fckin problem. How many times did Varane and Hayden pass the ball straight out? Sam Field wouldn't address this.
Scandalous as this was always going to happen. I can't believe that more people are not angry about the summer transfer cock up, rather than moaning about Field. |
Ah, but the midfield is not just about what you do in possession, it's also about tackling and getting the ball back.
Midfields need to have a strong defensive, combative element. Creativity, including passing which opens teams up, is very important, but it's not the only consideration. |  |
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