| England Squad 14:18 - Mar 16 with 2820 views | paulparker |
How in gods name does Luke shaw get called up, ??? he hasn't played for about 6 months and as for jake Livermore words really do fail me, utter joke we really are scrapping the barrel
the only bright spots are Defoe, Redmond & Ward- Prowse
but even with a striker crisis we cant even give Carroll a recall |  |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
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| England Squad on 16:15 - Mar 16 with 2442 views | Hayesender |
And Marcus Rashford!!!!
How many goals has he scored this season?? 2 or 3?
If we're that desperate for strikers, give Deeney a go |  |
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| England Squad on 16:32 - Mar 16 with 2412 views | Antti_Heinola |
Is Carroll injured again though?
Rashford is a good player, no worries about him. But Defoe really is scraping the barrel. Would rather us give a younger man another go. To be honest, Vardy doesn't deserve it either. But there's no one else, really.
Poor Charlie, he'd surely have been in this one if it wasn't for that bloody shoulder. |  |
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| England Squad on 16:40 - Mar 16 with 2391 views | daveB |
| England Squad on 16:32 - Mar 16 by Antti_Heinola |
Is Carroll injured again though?
Rashford is a good player, no worries about him. But Defoe really is scraping the barrel. Would rather us give a younger man another go. To be honest, Vardy doesn't deserve it either. But there's no one else, really.
Poor Charlie, he'd surely have been in this one if it wasn't for that bloody shoulder. |
Defoe should have gone to the Euros last summer, been one of the best English strikers for the last 2 years despite his age. A far better bet than taking Rashford last summer who looks to have been ruined by that experience. |  | | |
| England Squad on 16:43 - Mar 16 with 2377 views | TacticalR |
Let's have no more of this churlishness. Everyone should be grateful that big institutions like Manchester United are charitable enough to donate from their stockpile of unused players. [Post edited 16 Mar 2017 16:44]
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| England Squad on 16:56 - Mar 16 with 2343 views | Antti_Heinola |
| England Squad on 16:40 - Mar 16 by daveB |
Defoe should have gone to the Euros last summer, been one of the best English strikers for the last 2 years despite his age. A far better bet than taking Rashford last summer who looks to have been ruined by that experience. |
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| England Squad on 17:01 - Mar 16 with 2329 views | simmo |
| England Squad on 16:32 - Mar 16 by Antti_Heinola |
Is Carroll injured again though?
Rashford is a good player, no worries about him. But Defoe really is scraping the barrel. Would rather us give a younger man another go. To be honest, Vardy doesn't deserve it either. But there's no one else, really.
Poor Charlie, he'd surely have been in this one if it wasn't for that bloody shoulder. |
Carroll 'fit' as he played last week, my WH mate is having a meltdown that he's been overlooked. I get the feeling he will be going to our next major tournament if he's close to being available for selection, but maybe a call up now is premature as he's only been back for 4/5 games.
Happy that Redmond and Ward-Prowse are in, Redmond is an actually good version of Walcott and JWP is our future set piece specialist for the next 10 years. |  |
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| England Squad on 17:17 - Mar 16 with 2274 views | eghamranger |
| England Squad on 17:01 - Mar 16 by simmo |
Carroll 'fit' as he played last week, my WH mate is having a meltdown that he's been overlooked. I get the feeling he will be going to our next major tournament if he's close to being available for selection, but maybe a call up now is premature as he's only been back for 4/5 games.
Happy that Redmond and Ward-Prowse are in, Redmond is an actually good version of Walcott and JWP is our future set piece specialist for the next 10 years. |
Tbf to Southgate, if Carroll was fit last week, he won't be fit next week.... 🙄 |  | | |
| England Squad on 17:37 - Mar 16 with 2229 views | RBlock |
| England Squad on 16:40 - Mar 16 by daveB |
Defoe should have gone to the Euros last summer, been one of the best English strikers for the last 2 years despite his age. A far better bet than taking Rashford last summer who looks to have been ruined by that experience. |
Rashford has been ruined by bloody Mourinho, nothing to do with the Euros. |  | | |
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| England Squad on 17:52 - Mar 16 with 2202 views | simmo |
| England Squad on 17:37 - Mar 16 by RBlock |
Rashford has been ruined by bloody Mourinho, nothing to do with the Euros. |
Rashford hasn't been ruined at all. He's not playing week in week out but he's already played twice as many games as he did last season across all competitions and thats with Ibra being a resounding success. He's 19, he doesn't need to be playing as 1st choice every week. | |
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| England Squad on 18:24 - Mar 16 with 2153 views | whittocksRs |
Did anyone expect Southgate to do anything but the same as Hodgson? There are generations of managers in England who can't drop help themselves when presented the Man United toy box. Neither Shaw nor Rashford deserve a place, and Phil Jones and Chris Smalling are incredibly still two of the nine defenders picked. Those two couldn't defend a fcking position, let alone England against international footballers. Jesse effing Lingard has been picked again. Argh.
Pleased for Defoe, deserves his slot and has always performed reasonably for England. Redmond has been impressive and Ward Prowse has lovely technique. Well done to Southgate for those, and for drafting in Antonio, who's a useful squad player. |  | | |
| England Squad on 18:55 - Mar 16 with 2095 views | Dorse |
If he wants to pick players who aren't playing, Caulker may be available in between court appearances? |  |
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| England Squad on 20:09 - Mar 16 with 2017 views | derbyhoop |
It shows how few resources we have when the only 3 strikers we pick are Rashford, Vardy and Defoe. Nothing against any of them, but with Sturridge, Rooney and Austin all injured, where are the alternatives? |  |
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| England Squad on 22:01 - Mar 16 with 1874 views | paulparker |
| England Squad on 20:09 - Mar 16 by derbyhoop |
It shows how few resources we have when the only 3 strikers we pick are Rashford, Vardy and Defoe. Nothing against any of them, but with Sturridge, Rooney and Austin all injured, where are the alternatives? |
Carroll , Grey , Deeney, Lewis baker , Walcott, Wellbeck, blimey give Dwight Gayle a go if needs be , also Loftus-cheek & chalobah both need to leave Chelsea because they are talented lads who would have walked into this squad if they were playing first team football that's why we have no players because our young players cannot get a game | |
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| England Squad on 22:18 - Mar 16 with 1843 views | daveB |
I think Defoe would have offered more from the bench in those group games and the Iceland game and as he has more experience the manager would have brought him on rather than panic that he couldn't bring on Rashford as he was too young.
Rashford is a good player but was only picked as a vanity project from Hodgson to show how forward thinking he was, similar to what Sven did with Walcott If Rashford played for West Ham or Everton he'd have been nowhere near the squad. When he got to the tournament he was too scarred to use him until it was too late against Iceland. | | | |
| England Squad on 23:20 - Mar 16 with 1787 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| England Squad on 22:18 - Mar 16 by daveB |
I think Defoe would have offered more from the bench in those group games and the Iceland game and as he has more experience the manager would have brought him on rather than panic that he couldn't bring on Rashford as he was too young.
Rashford is a good player but was only picked as a vanity project from Hodgson to show how forward thinking he was, similar to what Sven did with Walcott If Rashford played for West Ham or Everton he'd have been nowhere near the squad. When he got to the tournament he was too scarred to use him until it was too late against Iceland. |
To be fair, I think it's prudent that every England manager takes a handful of young'uns with an eye for the next tournament. Defoe has had his chance at international cups and hardly set them alight.
It wasn't Hodgson's fault that the other strikers he picked were shit scared or ineffective. Pressure put on Rashford is down to the Rooneys and Kanes.
Agree with your point about playing for Everton or West Ham.
We shouldn't have had to rely on Rashford v Iceland. The match should have been done and dusted by half time, no disrespect to any Icelandic Rs out there. [Post edited 16 Mar 2017 23:21]
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| England Squad on 23:28 - Mar 16 with 1764 views | daveB |
| England Squad on 23:20 - Mar 16 by BazzaInTheLoft |
To be fair, I think it's prudent that every England manager takes a handful of young'uns with an eye for the next tournament. Defoe has had his chance at international cups and hardly set them alight.
It wasn't Hodgson's fault that the other strikers he picked were shit scared or ineffective. Pressure put on Rashford is down to the Rooneys and Kanes.
Agree with your point about playing for Everton or West Ham.
We shouldn't have had to rely on Rashford v Iceland. The match should have been done and dusted by half time, no disrespect to any Icelandic Rs out there. [Post edited 16 Mar 2017 23:21]
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I'm not sure many other countries pick a squad with one eye on the next tournament, you should pick a squad to win the tournament you are entering and if you don't have better options then put 1 or 2 kids in but we didn't need to do that.
I'm not suggesting we'd have won anything with Defoe but he was a good in form option at the time and ignored, same as he was in 2006 when he should have been in the squad ahead of Walcott.The only tournament Defoe was picked for he was out best striker in 2010, although the competition wasn't fierce | | | |
| England Squad on 00:20 - Mar 17 with 1717 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| England Squad on 23:28 - Mar 16 by daveB |
I'm not sure many other countries pick a squad with one eye on the next tournament, you should pick a squad to win the tournament you are entering and if you don't have better options then put 1 or 2 kids in but we didn't need to do that.
I'm not suggesting we'd have won anything with Defoe but he was a good in form option at the time and ignored, same as he was in 2006 when he should have been in the squad ahead of Walcott.The only tournament Defoe was picked for he was out best striker in 2010, although the competition wasn't fierce |
Sometimes it works, like Michael Owen at '98.
The Walcott one was just plain weird. I have heard that Defoe is known to have some attitude issues though which may have hindered him. Can't knock his goal scoring record though. | | | |
| England Squad on 01:19 - Mar 17 with 1681 views | bob566 |
In squads gone past when he's picked Rooney it's been why no rashford or youth. Now he's picked and people are moaning | | | |
| England Squad on 05:41 - Mar 17 with 1625 views | smegma |
Luke Shaw has played twice in nearly 4 months. No doubt Gareth was at both those games. Looking at the Man Utd players, apart from Rashford, none of them are good enough for the squad. The squad a bit lop sided with ELEVEN midfielders and NINE defenders. I won't be surprised if he plays a lone striker in a 7-2-1 formation. | | | |
| England Squad on 07:24 - Mar 17 with 1575 views | paulparker |
| England Squad on 23:20 - Mar 16 by BazzaInTheLoft |
To be fair, I think it's prudent that every England manager takes a handful of young'uns with an eye for the next tournament. Defoe has had his chance at international cups and hardly set them alight.
It wasn't Hodgson's fault that the other strikers he picked were shit scared or ineffective. Pressure put on Rashford is down to the Rooneys and Kanes.
Agree with your point about playing for Everton or West Ham.
We shouldn't have had to rely on Rashford v Iceland. The match should have been done and dusted by half time, no disrespect to any Icelandic Rs out there. [Post edited 16 Mar 2017 23:21]
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Very unfair on Defoe , he didn't get picked for Euro 2004 , he was overlooked for the 2006 World Cup in favour of a 17 year old Walcott despite have a storming season and being part of the qualification process , we didn't qualify for Euro 2008
He was picked and scored in 2010 and only made a 1 minute cameo in euro 2012, If Defoe was any other nationality he would have around 120 caps by now , he has been scandalously used by England we bang on about not having strikers but have had one of the best finishers under our noses for around 15 years | |
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| England Squad on 08:28 - Mar 17 with 1514 views | smegma |
| England Squad on 07:24 - Mar 17 by paulparker |
Very unfair on Defoe , he didn't get picked for Euro 2004 , he was overlooked for the 2006 World Cup in favour of a 17 year old Walcott despite have a storming season and being part of the qualification process , we didn't qualify for Euro 2008
He was picked and scored in 2010 and only made a 1 minute cameo in euro 2012, If Defoe was any other nationality he would have around 120 caps by now , he has been scandalously used by England we bang on about not having strikers but have had one of the best finishers under our noses for around 15 years |
Totally agree. It was also scandalous no club wanted him at one point so he went to Canada. That's CANADA folks. | | | |
| England Squad on 08:50 - Mar 17 with 1487 views | kingsburyR |
Modern football in a nutshell.
No talent coming through as they are all sitting in massive squads on big money with no hope of making the first team.
How many players are the big 4 stock piling?
I have about as much interest in international football than I have in lawn bowls. |  |
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| England Squad on 09:48 - Mar 17 with 1440 views | daveB |
| England Squad on 00:20 - Mar 17 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Sometimes it works, like Michael Owen at '98.
The Walcott one was just plain weird. I have heard that Defoe is known to have some attitude issues though which may have hindered him. Can't knock his goal scoring record though. |
True but Owen had been a regular for Liverpool for a year and been around the squad so was more understandable. | | | |
| England Squad on 10:14 - Mar 17 with 1412 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| England Squad on 09:48 - Mar 17 by daveB |
True but Owen had been a regular for Liverpool for a year and been around the squad so was more understandable. |
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| England Squad on 10:44 - Mar 17 with 1384 views | Antti_Heinola |
| England Squad on 22:18 - Mar 16 by daveB |
I think Defoe would have offered more from the bench in those group games and the Iceland game and as he has more experience the manager would have brought him on rather than panic that he couldn't bring on Rashford as he was too young.
Rashford is a good player but was only picked as a vanity project from Hodgson to show how forward thinking he was, similar to what Sven did with Walcott If Rashford played for West Ham or Everton he'd have been nowhere near the squad. When he got to the tournament he was too scarred to use him until it was too late against Iceland. |
The 'if he played for west ham' argument is one repeated all the time and is nonsense.
He doesn't play for west ham. he plays for man utd. it's far harder to succeed there and play games than it is to get in at west ham. that's sort of the point.
Defoe might have played more, i doubt it, but he certainly wouldn't have changed out fortunes single-handedly. and that's the point. any international squad is always 16 or 17 that will play and about 5 or 6 who probably won't, or won't play much. People get ludicrously upset over the most peripheral of picks. | |
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