| Riiiiiighhhhhhhhhht 17:41 - Apr 4 with 2488 views | PinnerPaul |
Sooooooo no one likes the candidates being mentioned, no one likes the Eustace press conference - dull/uninspiring I've seen, everyone thinks we will get stuffed v Norwich and the opinion on all those on the board/management seems to have taken a nose dive.
So the point in sacking Steve was.....
We seem to have caught the mood of MPs - 'vote' against everything and everyone! |  | | |  |
| Riiiiiighhhhhhhhhht on 17:45 - Apr 4 with 2464 views | Rangersw12 |
Its pretty obvious why he was sacked weve won 1 game in 15 FFS
As for be a manager I would be happy with Jacket , Bowyer or Warburton
Ultimately unless it's Neil Lennon or John Terry I would get behind any manager | | | |
| Riiiiiighhhhhhhhhht on 18:59 - Apr 4 with 2318 views | PinnerPaul |
| Riiiiiighhhhhhhhhht on 17:45 - Apr 4 by Rangersw12 |
Its pretty obvious why he was sacked weve won 1 game in 15 FFS
As for be a manager I would be happy with Jacket , Bowyer or Warburton
Ultimately unless it's Neil Lennon or John Terry I would get behind any manager |
First point is obvious - but no one has anything positive to say or suggest in the aftermath.
No one thinks we will shoot up the league, no one feels 100% we're safe, which leads me, at least, to think the 'problem, wasn't McClaren. | | | |
| Riiiiiighhhhhhhhhht on 19:01 - Apr 4 with 2298 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
So the point in sacking Steve was.....
He was shite |  |
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| Riiiiiighhhhhhhhhht on 19:26 - Apr 4 with 2238 views | Rangersw12 |
| Riiiiiighhhhhhhhhht on 18:59 - Apr 4 by PinnerPaul |
First point is obvious - but no one has anything positive to say or suggest in the aftermath.
No one thinks we will shoot up the league, no one feels 100% we're safe, which leads me, at least, to think the 'problem, wasn't McClaren. |
So we should just of stuck with him regardless of results ?
McClaren didn't deserve another season so I didn't see the point of him staying to the end of the season
If Ferdinand & Hoos get to appoint their own man then that has to be a positive | | | |
| Riiiiiighhhhhhhhhht on 19:58 - Apr 4 with 2160 views | easthertsr |
The moment he shipped out Manning and kept Cousins was when I first felt that Schteve was not the right manager for us. It set Manning back big time and he still isn't that player who burst into our team last season. | | | |
| Riiiiiighhhhhhhhhht on 20:14 - Apr 4 with 2103 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Riiiiiighhhhhhhhhht on 19:58 - Apr 4 by easthertsr |
The moment he shipped out Manning and kept Cousins was when I first felt that Schteve was not the right manager for us. It set Manning back big time and he still isn't that player who burst into our team last season. |
Two things here, though.
1. He couldn't ship out Cousins if no one wanted him, and it's unlikely anyone did.
2. You hit the nail on the head with Manning, really. Because he didn't break into our team last season. It was the season before that. And I'm afraid he never looked as good as he did in those initial games. He had a whole season of struggling last season too. Sorry, but I just don't see it with Manning, but happy to be proved wrong. |  |
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| Riiiiiighhhhhhhhhht on 20:45 - Apr 4 with 2050 views | PunteR |
Whoever comes in , if we start winning games and go onto improve us we'll love him. It doesnt matter who you are, but if the team never wins then fans will rightly be on the managers back. MacClaren was awful. Last season and the begining of this season most fans loved our players and it looked like we had bags of potential and comments of old rangers coming back. SM has dismantled all the work that went on before him. |  |
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| Riiiiiighhhhhhhhhht on 20:58 - Apr 4 with 2002 views | CiderwithRsie |
We all know why McClaten got sacked but PP is still right - all options look terrible.
The MP comment is spot-on for me - politics is so depressing for me right now that I look to QPR for a bit of light reief and frankly it all looks cr*p whichever direction we face.
I suppose we could be Bolton. | | | |
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| Riiiiiighhhhhhhhhht on 21:38 - Apr 4 with 1914 views | TacticalR |
@PinnerPaul 'We seem to have caught the mood of MPs - 'vote' against everything and everyone!'
People's Vote on Holloway or crash out of the division. |  |
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| Riiiiiighhhhhhhhhht on 13:53 - Apr 5 with 1584 views | PinnerPaul |
| Riiiiiighhhhhhhhhht on 19:26 - Apr 4 by Rangersw12 |
So we should just of stuck with him regardless of results ?
McClaren didn't deserve another season so I didn't see the point of him staying to the end of the season
If Ferdinand & Hoos get to appoint their own man then that has to be a positive |
Hear what you say, but it seems on here the sacking was more a punishment, rather than a genuine belief that things will get much better. | | | |
| Riiiiiighhhhhhhhhht on 14:00 - Apr 5 with 1557 views | daveB |
point in sacking him was because last summer he decided against working within his remit to develop players and sign unpolished gems so used his budget instead for a short term fix, results improved then fell off a cliff so the decision had to be made do we stick with him and hope he puts some foundations in place this time or make a change and get in a manager who fits in with what the club are trying to do. They have gone with the later
It could have waited until the summer but last few performances were an absolute disgrace and he was showing no signs of turning it around.
Candidates mentioned sound depressing but that's no reason to stick with a manager who was failing. To be able to sign Wells, Cameron, Rangel + Hemed and do worse than last season is some achievement. |  | | |
| Riiiiiighhhhhhhhhht on 14:33 - Apr 5 with 1496 views | RANGERS4EVER |
| Riiiiiighhhhhhhhhht on 19:58 - Apr 4 by easthertsr |
The moment he shipped out Manning and kept Cousins was when I first felt that Schteve was not the right manager for us. It set Manning back big time and he still isn't that player who burst into our team last season. |
I don't like criticising the kids as they obviously have talent, and abuse is the last thing they need. But agree that Manning has been overrated by our fans. He came into the team on a six game losing run. We could not have gone lower. Yes he sparked an energy, but bar one or two games (Wolves and Reading away I believe) he hasn't done anything to warrant a starting position. Rotherham fans weren't hugely in love with him. I would love to see Manning do well but right now I don't think he is good enough |  |
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| Riiiiiighhhhhhhhhht on 15:34 - Apr 5 with 1413 views | traininvain |
| Riiiiiighhhhhhhhhht on 20:14 - Apr 4 by Antti_Heinola |
Two things here, though.
1. He couldn't ship out Cousins if no one wanted him, and it's unlikely anyone did.
2. You hit the nail on the head with Manning, really. Because he didn't break into our team last season. It was the season before that. And I'm afraid he never looked as good as he did in those initial games. He had a whole season of struggling last season too. Sorry, but I just don't see it with Manning, but happy to be proved wrong. |
Totally agree re Manning. McClaren got a lot wrong but people seem to have forgotten that Manning regressed under Holloway after a bright start a couple of years ago.
McClaren’s biggest mistake was letting the youngsters go out on loan. Probably cost him the job. But could still prove to be a good decision for the club if they come back better for it next season. |  | | |
| Riiiiiighhhhhhhhhht on 22:19 - Apr 5 with 1209 views | VancouverHoop |
| Riiiiiighhhhhhhhhht on 15:34 - Apr 5 by traininvain |
Totally agree re Manning. McClaren got a lot wrong but people seem to have forgotten that Manning regressed under Holloway after a bright start a couple of years ago.
McClaren’s biggest mistake was letting the youngsters go out on loan. Probably cost him the job. But could still prove to be a good decision for the club if they come back better for it next season. |
In hindsight that's true, but in early January we were on roll, that no one predicted would soon collapse, and shipping out the kids to get competitive games seemed like a good shout. We then enjoyed a good cup run, but in retrospect its easy to see why most managers rest first-teamers. Those four matches – if league games – would've netted us seven points. I'm not saying it was the wrong thing to do, far from it, they provided some of this season's few highlights but we did pay for them down the line.
Much of the time being a manager is about gambling. SM gambled on sticking with his established players, which is not an unusual decision for a manager– "You dance with the ones what brung you" after all– and paid for it. [Post edited 5 Apr 2019 22:22]
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| Riiiiiighhhhhhhhhht on 23:00 - Apr 5 with 1118 views | Match82 |
| Riiiiiighhhhhhhhhht on 15:34 - Apr 5 by traininvain |
Totally agree re Manning. McClaren got a lot wrong but people seem to have forgotten that Manning regressed under Holloway after a bright start a couple of years ago.
McClaren’s biggest mistake was letting the youngsters go out on loan. Probably cost him the job. But could still prove to be a good decision for the club if they come back better for it next season. |
Ironically having a good December might have been the problem here. In his interview the other day he made a comment about how we were on the cusp of the playoffs. Perhaps this tells you what his mindset was for the balance of the season - our owners also have previous form in terms of raising expectations mid season.
If we had been a couple of points worse off perhaps the mindset would have been less about playoffs and more about next year, and he would have blooded the youngsters instead of sending them on loan. |  | | |
| Riiiiiighhhhhhhhhht on 07:47 - Apr 6 with 959 views | loneranger1 |
| Riiiiiighhhhhhhhhht on 22:19 - Apr 5 by VancouverHoop |
In hindsight that's true, but in early January we were on roll, that no one predicted would soon collapse, and shipping out the kids to get competitive games seemed like a good shout. We then enjoyed a good cup run, but in retrospect its easy to see why most managers rest first-teamers. Those four matches – if league games – would've netted us seven points. I'm not saying it was the wrong thing to do, far from it, they provided some of this season's few highlights but we did pay for them down the line.
Much of the time being a manager is about gambling. SM gambled on sticking with his established players, which is not an unusual decision for a manager– "You dance with the ones what brung you" after all– and paid for it. [Post edited 5 Apr 2019 22:22]
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Vancouver, point taken about the cup games, which would have given us 7 points if they'd been league games...
However, not sure how much I agree that we've paid for them down the line, exactly. We paid for it in February, with a very punishing run of games (although that included the hard-fought win over Leeds).
But our cup run ended in mid-Feb, and I don't think it was February that has seen McLaren sacked. Fans have been very patient and, overall, happy to accept that the same group of players were going to struggle to keep it up, playing so many games over February because of the mini-Cup run. But I think everyone had looked forward to March as the time to get more points on the board, and the last two home games (Rotherham and Bolton), were disgraceful performances and, as Clive pointed out in his preview, he'd had the best part of two weeks to get the team ready for the Bolton game.
He abandoned his brief early on and sidelined several young players, unfairly I feel (before Xmas - I understand the theory behind sending them out on loan in Jan, although I think either Smyth or Oteh would have offered more than Hemed has). His substitutions are always hesitant, often seem to be the wrong call, his weird loyalty to Hemed seemed totally unjustified, and the team did not seem as ready/prepared for the Rotherham and Bolton games as it needed to be.
For me, these are the reasons he had to go - not the consequences of the cup run on our congested fixture list and poor run of results in February. | | | |
| Riiiiiighhhhhhhhhht on 08:17 - Apr 6 with 935 views | DannyPaddox |
You can't defend the stat of 1 win in 15 but I still think the timing of McLaren's sacking with 7 games to go and a faint whiff of the third tier is another example of modern football knee-jerkery.
The main reason I think we should have kept him on to see out the season is despite the terrible form the players were still playing for him and would've have kept us up. I dare say we will avoid the drop anyway but sacking McLaren at this juncture makes an outside chance of relegation a few shades more probable. The dubious smorgasbord (difficult second album) of potential candidates emphasises this as does putting John 'The Charisma' Eustace in temporary charge.
There was a team in the Championship last season that went on a 1 win in 11 run (inc. a tonking at home to relegation-bound Sunderland and a 0-4 at Millwall). Not as bad as 1 in 15 but still the fans were calling for the manager's head and they still were after a slow start this season. And Farke me we're playing them today - Norwich City. [Post edited 6 Apr 2019 8:24]
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