| Julien Stephan - He is doing quite well !!!! 07:41 - Dec 10 with 5335 views | numptydumpty |
Its not really been said on here much as yet.
But Stephan seems to be getting a lot out of many different players and the whole squad seem more together and all are playing their part.
With Marti Cifuentes coming to HQ with his team of supposedly greater quality and depth, it will be interesting to see how that game pans out. Marti was more bristle, whereas it seems Stephan is more laid back and encouraging as a man manager, and when we have not performed, he does highlight this and is keen for players to react.
The goal conceded yesterday and we immediately went on the offensive and we believed we could still turn it round. I think you can see a lot of players are now enjoying playing for us and they all are motivated and want to do well and know their roles too.
The forum earlier this season, when Christian Nourry was waffling big time, I liked Stephan's response. "He is the boss." To me, it did seem like a tongue in cheek comment, in that he seems to know how to deal with different characters and not just those on the pitch. And a bit of light heartedness can go a long way in football.
I think it's time, we gave the manager some kudos.
Magnifique, Monsieur !!!
C'est tres bien..... [Post edited 10 Dec 7:48]
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| Julien Stephan - He is doing quite well !!!! on 12:53 - Dec 10 with 1772 views | daveB |
| Julien Stephan - He is doing quite well !!!! on 12:40 - Dec 10 by dmm |
I'd venture to say that Stephan is a better coach than Cifuentes.
There, I've said it. |
He quite possibly is but it was only a week ago he was getting slaughtered on here for picking the wrong team at Norwich. Overall he's doing a good job this season |  | | |
| Julien Stephan - He is doing quite well !!!! on 13:27 - Dec 10 with 1667 views | TK1 |
| Julien Stephan - He is doing quite well !!!! on 12:53 - Dec 10 by daveB |
He quite possibly is but it was only a week ago he was getting slaughtered on here for picking the wrong team at Norwich. Overall he's doing a good job this season |
By some. That was bollox, though, wasn't it? It was schedule-related. Something borne out by the fact all the same players bar injured Field have played some part in the subsequent two home wins.
It's constantly pointed out that Stephan has a better squad than Marti had last season. But so has Marti got a considerably better squad than he had last season - and probably better players than Stephan has now, cost and wages-wise. Fewer points so far, though. |  | | |
| Julien Stephan - He is doing quite well !!!! on 13:31 - Dec 10 with 1651 views | EuroRanger |
| Julien Stephan - He is doing quite well !!!! on 12:53 - Dec 10 by daveB |
He quite possibly is but it was only a week ago he was getting slaughtered on here for picking the wrong team at Norwich. Overall he's doing a good job this season |
I agree that I think he got the squad wrong and should've rotated more.
It also has to be noted that he was often slagged by people who had spent the previous weeks arguing that he should play the same squad more often and not rotate - can't win with some. [Post edited 10 Dec 13:32]
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| Julien Stephan - He is doing quite well !!!! on 13:38 - Dec 10 with 1622 views | Hunterhoop |
| Julien Stephan - He is doing quite well !!!! on 12:14 - Dec 10 by TK1 |
We've seen Dunne struggle at RB against lesser wingers than Gray so not sure that would've been safer. Poku definitely needed to track Roberts, agreed: I think Stephan was making that point loud and clear at full time to him. Think Poku will be a very important player on the right later in the season, love his directness and that run to the byline creates the goal.
All praise of Julien Stephan must be prefaced by "I liked Marti Cifuentes" and so... I liked Marti Cifuentes, and yes we do have a much better squad in forward positions this season.
However, we don't have Ronnie Edwards, who was the catalyst for recovery from the disastrous position we were in this time last season. And JS is currently playing Madsen and Varane in a central two, with Dunne and Cook at CB in front of Nardi. All five were there available last season but we would never have risked such a line-up in that formation in key positions. It's down to the coaching and the information he's given them that it's working well, as well as the instructions he's given others in and out of possession.
I'd be amazed if JS isn't rapidly rising on the whiteboards of some other higher-placed clubs. |
I’d still much rather have had an experienced pro who’s played over a season at right back in this league (winning our player of the year in the process) to face up to Gray, than a lad who has played about 4 pro games in that role. That was the sensible option. Dunne would almost certainly have fared better because he spent a whole season faring well in that role against wingers quicker than him.
Like I said, no harm done, but it was a mistake that almost cost us. Praise wouldn’t be so forthcoming if the keeper saves Morgan’s shot or it gets blocked on its way through. I reckon there’d be a lot more frustration. But it’s great it wasn’t.
Several things can be true at once. He’s doing a good job, is possibly a better coach than Cifuentes (think we need longer to judge, but hopefully the case, but his subs made us worse yesterday and cost a goal. We don’t all need to be all in on him or all against him. It’s why I didn’t get involved in the Norwich flak. |  | | |
| Julien Stephan - He is doing quite well !!!! on 15:11 - Dec 10 with 1511 views | TheChef |
| Julien Stephan - He is doing quite well !!!! on 12:40 - Dec 10 by dmm |
I'd venture to say that Stephan is a better coach than Cifuentes.
There, I've said it. |
Yeah possibly, but equally I think a manager is only as good as the players at his disposal. And Stephan has a better squad right now than Cifuentes had. |  |
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| Julien Stephan - He is doing quite well !!!! on 15:43 - Dec 10 with 1431 views | dmm |
| Julien Stephan - He is doing quite well !!!! on 15:11 - Dec 10 by TheChef |
Yeah possibly, but equally I think a manager is only as good as the players at his disposal. And Stephan has a better squad right now than Cifuentes had. |
Well yes, that is usually the case. But sometimes not. I'm thinking of Ollie's ragtag bag of players back in the day as one example.
Not to say that Stephan doesn't have a better squad than Cifuentes. He does. But for me, there seems to be a bit more to it than that. |  | | |
| Julien Stephan - He is doing quite well !!!! on 15:54 - Dec 10 with 1402 views | Pindarus |
Does a nice line in roll neck pullovers as well.
Mind you I don't think that one came from Tesco. | | | |
| Julien Stephan - He is doing quite well !!!! on 16:07 - Dec 10 with 1367 views | BeauRanger |
| Julien Stephan - He is doing quite well !!!! on 10:31 - Dec 10 by Lblock |
I’m still not fully on board but that says more about me and my negative nature.
He’s learning on the job and I still don’t see what he sees in Dumbele.
One thing I thought that was great last night was at the final whistle he had one priority.
That was to get hold of Poku and give him a talking to which I think was about being back in the left back area on cover when Brum attacked and scored (that’s my assumption based on where he was pointing and him being fairly animated). He then gave Poku a man hug and sent him on his way.
That is great coaching of a young player.
I’ll be interested to see if he has any contacts in January that will allow the addition of a really commanding keeper.
Can’t argue with being 14 clear of relegation and top 10.
I’m still scarred by the “Snake Beale” season so not getting carried away but being in the play off positions after Boxing Day would have me starting to believe.
Bon chance Julien |
I noticed him having a stern word or two with Poku after the game & was wondering what it was about. He wasn’t messing around & seemed to show some real intensity in identifying & correcting mistakes where some may have gotten carried away by the emotion of the moment.
He’s learning about the division (ahem Coventry) as it is first direct football experience in England, but so far so good.
Merci.. |  | | |
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| Julien Stephan - He is doing quite well !!!! on 16:19 - Dec 10 with 1286 views | stainrods_elbow |
Agree with this tone of cautious optimism. Recent reasons to be cheerful (1,2,3), though the squad is still short (both literally and metaphorically) in places, and I worry 3-game weeks with a bit of travel will come back to bite us. Injuries will inevitably also shape the season. Now we're in the top 6 though, is there any reason why we shouldn't stay there? |  |
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| Julien Stephan - He is doing quite well !!!! on 17:03 - Dec 10 with 1216 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Julien Stephan - He is doing quite well !!!! on 12:53 - Dec 10 by daveB |
He quite possibly is but it was only a week ago he was getting slaughtered on here for picking the wrong team at Norwich. Overall he's doing a good job this season |
I'd differentiate between coaching and making a mistake, which Norwich was.
Personally I think he is better than MC. Look at Leicester, boring to watch. | |
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| Julien Stephan - He is doing quite well !!!! on 17:21 - Dec 10 with 1167 views | VancouverHoop |
I'm not a statto at all, but it seems to me that our second half displays recently are a decided improvement over the first half. If so it's most likely down to JS's adjustments — or something in the players' tea. So more power to him. | | | |
| Julien Stephan - He is doing quite well !!!! on 17:48 - Dec 10 with 1117 views | TK1 |
| Julien Stephan - He is doing quite well !!!! on 16:19 - Dec 10 by stainrods_elbow |
Agree with this tone of cautious optimism. Recent reasons to be cheerful (1,2,3), though the squad is still short (both literally and metaphorically) in places, and I worry 3-game weeks with a bit of travel will come back to bite us. Injuries will inevitably also shape the season. Now we're in the top 6 though, is there any reason why we shouldn't stay there? |
"Now we're in the top 6 though, is there any reason why we shouldn't stay there?"
If Stoke get a point at Ipswich tonight, or Bristol City beat Leicester and/or Hull beat Wrexham we'll be out of the top six by 10pm this evening. So, three good reasons right there and nothing we can do about it.
Doesn't really matter where you are in the table on December 10, though, as Southampton and probably Sheffield United will prove come May. Staying there until then is not really likely. Being there then is not impossible, though fairly improbable.
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| Julien Stephan - He is doing quite well !!!! on 17:51 - Dec 10 with 1104 views | MrSheen |
After about fifteen minutes, I worried we were in for a long night. Nardi’s nervous nellying on the ball, Madsen taking the ball under pressure facing his own goal (guess which direction it’s going). Varane with his random pass generator on. Then Nardi started kicking long and Birmingham just…disappeared. I thought last night that they were between overrated and bad. Expensive and/or established Championship players with no idea of how they were supposed to play together or no enthusiasm for the plan. I’d have been livid if I had travelled down to watch such a meagre sum derived from those parts. On reflection today, maybe their main problem was that they were playing us.
It’s hard to put your finger on how we’re going to beat anyone. It’s not the sweeping breaks of the best of Warburton’s side, it’s not the clever wide overloads finishing in a cutback of Beale’s brief purple patch, just run hard and fast, compete for the ball and if you can’t win it high up the pitch, get it up there as efficiently as possible. Without thuggery or dark arts, we’ve become (at our best) a bit of a nightmare to play against, which is novel. Burrell is scoring goals from chaos in the box at a rate not seen since John Spencer and Andy Thomson, but he works much harder than they ever did, like his teammates, but he wouldn’t have the opportunity to do the same under any of our recent managers. I’m still getting used to it, but I think I like it. |  | | |
| Julien Stephan - He is doing quite well !!!! on 18:05 - Dec 10 with 1072 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Julien Stephan - He is doing quite well !!!! on 17:48 - Dec 10 by TK1 |
"Now we're in the top 6 though, is there any reason why we shouldn't stay there?"
If Stoke get a point at Ipswich tonight, or Bristol City beat Leicester and/or Hull beat Wrexham we'll be out of the top six by 10pm this evening. So, three good reasons right there and nothing we can do about it.
Doesn't really matter where you are in the table on December 10, though, as Southampton and probably Sheffield United will prove come May. Staying there until then is not really likely. Being there then is not impossible, though fairly improbable.
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Who wants to go up anyway?
Er, anyone who doesn't want to watch Preston Knob End, Stoke, Blackburn, the list goes on and on.
I'm sick of this shyte league. If we want the club to survive for another 100 odd years we need to be up in the PL for a good few years lke we were in the 70s, 80s and early 90s.
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| Julien Stephan - He is doing quite well !!!! on 18:19 - Dec 10 with 1041 views | VancouverHoop |
There are others, but VAR is a significant reason for not wanting to be in the Premier League. As has been pointed out, during the match last night Saito's defensive chest block of the ball early on would have been called back and likely been a pen. It would have changed the game entirely. | | | |
| Julien Stephan - He is doing quite well !!!! on 18:46 - Dec 10 with 949 views | TK1 |
| Julien Stephan - He is doing quite well !!!! on 18:05 - Dec 10 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
Who wants to go up anyway?
Er, anyone who doesn't want to watch Preston Knob End, Stoke, Blackburn, the list goes on and on.
I'm sick of this shyte league. If we want the club to survive for another 100 odd years we need to be up in the PL for a good few years lke we were in the 70s, 80s and early 90s.
Fck the Championship. |
"Er, anyone who doesn't want to watch Preston Knob End, Stoke, Blackburn, the list goes on and on."
Yes, much better watching Burnley, Sunderland, Bournemouth, the list goes on and on. But just for twice as much money.
£50 to watch QPR get pumped 6-0 at Stamford Bridge or Craven Cottage, remember those heady days? Going to Anfield and being filmed by Korean tourists throughout the game, which you lose without having a shot. And at the end of those 12, 24 months you get to come back down and start the trek up all over with a load of mercenary players you're can't shift. Magic.
Promotion to the PL doesn't look to have set Luton or Norwich up "for the next 100 years" (nor Burnley or Wolves for that matter), but I'm sure they enjoyed getting spanked every week then falling down the leagues.
I loved QPR in the top division in the 70s, 80s, 90s but I hated it in the PL last time round. Championship all day. Fck VAR, too. | | | |
| Julien Stephan - He is doing quite well !!!! on 19:03 - Dec 10 with 895 views | Loft1979 |
| Julien Stephan - He is doing quite well !!!! on 12:14 - Dec 10 by TK1 |
We've seen Dunne struggle at RB against lesser wingers than Gray so not sure that would've been safer. Poku definitely needed to track Roberts, agreed: I think Stephan was making that point loud and clear at full time to him. Think Poku will be a very important player on the right later in the season, love his directness and that run to the byline creates the goal.
All praise of Julien Stephan must be prefaced by "I liked Marti Cifuentes" and so... I liked Marti Cifuentes, and yes we do have a much better squad in forward positions this season.
However, we don't have Ronnie Edwards, who was the catalyst for recovery from the disastrous position we were in this time last season. And JS is currently playing Madsen and Varane in a central two, with Dunne and Cook at CB in front of Nardi. All five were there available last season but we would never have risked such a line-up in that formation in key positions. It's down to the coaching and the information he's given them that it's working well, as well as the instructions he's given others in and out of possession.
I'd be amazed if JS isn't rapidly rising on the whiteboards of some other higher-placed clubs. |
My impression is exemplified by his Post-match comments: The enthusiasm and satisfaction has to be invigorating. I was really impressed.
The other temperature guage, as many point out, is the sheer improvement in the players, from last year to this. |  | | |
| Julien Stephan - He is doing quite well !!!! on 23:17 - Dec 10 with 649 views | daveB |
| Julien Stephan - He is doing quite well !!!! on 13:27 - Dec 10 by TK1 |
By some. That was bollox, though, wasn't it? It was schedule-related. Something borne out by the fact all the same players bar injured Field have played some part in the subsequent two home wins.
It's constantly pointed out that Stephan has a better squad than Marti had last season. But so has Marti got a considerably better squad than he had last season - and probably better players than Stephan has now, cost and wages-wise. Fewer points so far, though. |
He probably does have a better squad at Leicester but we'd seen that before with someone like Holloway doing so well with us then struggling at other clubs, for me you can only really judge a QPR manager on what he did at QPR rather than what he does elsewhere, we're a barmy unique club, some managers who struggle here do very well at other clubs and the opposite of that is also true.
I like both of them and think they have both done good jobs at QPR, Stephan has the opportunity to go on and achieve a lot more league position wise and I really hope he does. | | | |
| Julien Stephan - He is doing quite well !!!! on 23:24 - Dec 10 with 640 views | numptydumpty |
| Julien Stephan - He is doing quite well !!!! on 23:17 - Dec 10 by daveB |
He probably does have a better squad at Leicester but we'd seen that before with someone like Holloway doing so well with us then struggling at other clubs, for me you can only really judge a QPR manager on what he did at QPR rather than what he does elsewhere, we're a barmy unique club, some managers who struggle here do very well at other clubs and the opposite of that is also true.
I like both of them and think they have both done good jobs at QPR, Stephan has the opportunity to go on and achieve a lot more league position wise and I really hope he does. |
I think the league is more open this year also. If we lose the next three, we could easily fall to 17th.Only Coventry so far a class apart too. | |
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| Julien Stephan - He is doing quite well !!!! on 23:35 - Dec 10 with 609 views | CamberleyR |
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| Julien Stephan - He is doing quite well !!!! on 06:36 - Dec 11 with 438 views | silky |
Marti absolutely saved us from relegation not once but twice.
He still for me has a very special place in my QPR heart along with Warbs, both men of integrity.
His reasons for gardening leave won't be known (if they ever will) to have an opinion on his character for me.
I think JS is a better coach overall and I've really warmed to him of late, I was very reserved early doors, (not of his own making, more of absolute dispare of how QPR were doing business) but he's quietly getting on with it and you can really see why he was highly regarded and interviewed for the role. Just look at Masden turnaround, not sure if Marti would of been able to achieve it.
CN deserves credit for that along with recruitment. CN also needs to improve relations with Fans, he's still hard to like but I can't knock some of his business decisions as we are overall in a really good place.
Even with the some odd results the place feels lighter and moving in an optimistic direction and I'm definitely enjoying it.
It will be however, properly QPR to mess it up. So there is always that pessimistic side in me that feels disaster is just around the corner.
There is a reason we are not allowed nice things. JS is currently our nice thing! 😂 [Post edited 11 Dec 6:40]
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| Julien Stephan - He is doing quite well !!!! on 08:53 - Dec 11 with 339 views | TK1 |
| Julien Stephan - He is doing quite well !!!! on 23:17 - Dec 10 by daveB |
He probably does have a better squad at Leicester but we'd seen that before with someone like Holloway doing so well with us then struggling at other clubs, for me you can only really judge a QPR manager on what he did at QPR rather than what he does elsewhere, we're a barmy unique club, some managers who struggle here do very well at other clubs and the opposite of that is also true.
I like both of them and think they have both done good jobs at QPR, Stephan has the opportunity to go on and achieve a lot more league position wise and I really hope he does. |
Ian Holloway didn't really struggle at other clubs after us overall, though - in fact he was probably more successful elsewhere. He took both Blackpool and Palace to the Premier League, incredible over-achievements (two Championship play-off finals with Blackpool is amazing work). He had a few misfires over a 25 year career but he's always come back more successfully elsewhere, eg Swindon now. Just a really, really good EFL manager. Less good at PR than Warnock, but just as successful in his own way.
Who are the other managers who've left QPR and then succeeded elsewhere? Struggling to think of them. Overall, I think it's more that QPR don't often appoint very good or suitable managers. In Cifuentes they got a good one and in Stephan they have another, one who looks to my eyes like a subtle upgrade. [Post edited 11 Dec 8:55]
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| Julien Stephan - He is doing quite well !!!! on 08:58 - Dec 11 with 323 views | BeauRanger |
| Julien Stephan - He is doing quite well !!!! on 08:53 - Dec 11 by TK1 |
Ian Holloway didn't really struggle at other clubs after us overall, though - in fact he was probably more successful elsewhere. He took both Blackpool and Palace to the Premier League, incredible over-achievements (two Championship play-off finals with Blackpool is amazing work). He had a few misfires over a 25 year career but he's always come back more successfully elsewhere, eg Swindon now. Just a really, really good EFL manager. Less good at PR than Warnock, but just as successful in his own way.
Who are the other managers who've left QPR and then succeeded elsewhere? Struggling to think of them. Overall, I think it's more that QPR don't often appoint very good or suitable managers. In Cifuentes they got a good one and in Stephan they have another, one who looks to my eyes like a subtle upgrade. [Post edited 11 Dec 8:55]
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| Julien Stephan - He is doing quite well !!!! on 09:03 - Dec 11 with 305 views | daveB |
| Julien Stephan - He is doing quite well !!!! on 08:53 - Dec 11 by TK1 |
Ian Holloway didn't really struggle at other clubs after us overall, though - in fact he was probably more successful elsewhere. He took both Blackpool and Palace to the Premier League, incredible over-achievements (two Championship play-off finals with Blackpool is amazing work). He had a few misfires over a 25 year career but he's always come back more successfully elsewhere, eg Swindon now. Just a really, really good EFL manager. Less good at PR than Warnock, but just as successful in his own way.
Who are the other managers who've left QPR and then succeeded elsewhere? Struggling to think of them. Overall, I think it's more that QPR don't often appoint very good or suitable managers. In Cifuentes they got a good one and in Stephan they have another, one who looks to my eyes like a subtle upgrade. [Post edited 11 Dec 8:55]
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He had a few jobs where he'd be viewed as one of their worst ever managers like Grimsby and Leicester. Of course he also did very well at some clubs. All about finding a club where people buy into what you want to do. I think thats where Marti may well struggle at Leicester same as Holloway did as the club think they should be a lot better than what they actually are at the moment whilst at QPR it was right place right time for him. | | | |
| Julien Stephan - He is doing quite well !!!! on 09:38 - Dec 11 with 237 views | aston_hoop |
Good coach, seems on trend with what football requires in England. Recognises the need for pace and physicality as a way to compete, recognises the shift to a more direct playing style across English football. Clear has the man-management side of it to go with the years and years of training ground experience. Early positive signs.
Also lovely that you no longer ever read 'le shrug' on here anymore, that says a lot about how well he is being perceived now! |  |
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