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Refwatch - Rochdale v Woking on 09:27 - Feb 22 with 2554 views
Refwatch - Rochdale v Woking on 08:37 - Feb 22 by springdale
But those teams were assembled on a show string budget. I’m not discrediting anyone with regards to this years achievement, just don’t think it’s better than our previous promotions. When you look at the teams we came up against.
Do you think we’re overachieving this season? Because we definitely were when we got promoted to league one.
If you look at the league tables for the seasons we got promoted their were no teams (apart from Notts Cheaty) who had massively disproportionate budgets for the league. In recent times Wrexham have been promoted with budgets way above what the other teams in the league were operating on. York, Carlisle and Forest Green will have much higher budgets than us so in that regard we are overachieving. Playing budgets generally deterimine success. Below is a quote about the book Soccernomics:
I suggest reading the book Soccernomics. It goes into this, and the findings are quite interesting.
Basically, the single most important factor in how well a team performs is the total wage bill. This implies that players tend to be paid what they are worth, and the team with the best players wins. Managers don't have as much impact as you might think when you look at the statistic big picture.
Put another way, if you add up the wage bills of all the teams in a league, the order would closely match the league table regardless of who the managers are.
Whilst there are outliers and our promotions under Hill were outliers I suspect in more recent times these are less likely to happen. Even Bromley have 'splashed the cash' this season. Lincoln is probably a decent example of a team doing much better than they should.
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Refwatch - Rochdale v Woking on 09:42 - Feb 22 with 2462 views
Refwatch - Rochdale v Woking on 22:31 - Feb 21 by _Windydale
I feel that for the disallowed goal, Manny D was onside. For Gordon's yellow, the defender does pull out of the challenge, and it looks like a dive. Think we got lucky with the penalty. It looks like the defender got the ball.
I noticed that as soon as Mani put the ball in the net he looked round at the linesman so perhaps he had a feeling that it was debatable. Jaskalainen was complaining at length as well that he had been impeded (by Gilmour?) as the corner came across from which Gordon scored. The keeper wasn’t happy at all. Seem to remember Gilmour being similarly involved when Gordon scored at Forest Green.
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Refwatch - Rochdale v Woking on 09:55 - Feb 22 with 2414 views
Refwatch - Rochdale v Woking on 09:42 - Feb 22 by EllDale
I noticed that as soon as Mani put the ball in the net he looked round at the linesman so perhaps he had a feeling that it was debatable. Jaskalainen was complaining at length as well that he had been impeded (by Gilmour?) as the corner came across from which Gordon scored. The keeper wasn’t happy at all. Seem to remember Gilmour being similarly involved when Gordon scored at Forest Green.
Refwatch - Rochdale v Woking on 09:27 - Feb 22 by isitme
If you look at the league tables for the seasons we got promoted their were no teams (apart from Notts Cheaty) who had massively disproportionate budgets for the league. In recent times Wrexham have been promoted with budgets way above what the other teams in the league were operating on. York, Carlisle and Forest Green will have much higher budgets than us so in that regard we are overachieving. Playing budgets generally deterimine success. Below is a quote about the book Soccernomics:
I suggest reading the book Soccernomics. It goes into this, and the findings are quite interesting.
Basically, the single most important factor in how well a team performs is the total wage bill. This implies that players tend to be paid what they are worth, and the team with the best players wins. Managers don't have as much impact as you might think when you look at the statistic big picture.
Put another way, if you add up the wage bills of all the teams in a league, the order would closely match the league table regardless of who the managers are.
Whilst there are outliers and our promotions under Hill were outliers I suspect in more recent times these are less likely to happen. Even Bromley have 'splashed the cash' this season. Lincoln is probably a decent example of a team doing much better than they should.
Not disagreeing with that, but isn't it also likely that - just as higher budgets attract better players - higher budgets attract better managers?
Talking in general of course, and the recent history of Man Utd is a case where poor managerial appointments have been made
But otherwise, those managers with a proven track record elsewhere will tend to.migrate to the top teams. If we're promoted and then flying high in League Two, will be a test of how McNulty sees his career going, since the offers will come in
Refwatch - Rochdale v Woking on 22:31 - Feb 21 by _Windydale
I feel that for the disallowed goal, Manny D was onside. For Gordon's yellow, the defender does pull out of the challenge, and it looks like a dive. Think we got lucky with the penalty. It looks like the defender got the ball.
I think it was a penalty. Players go down now all the time with minimal contact (Berger). It was certainly no different to the penalty Gordon got v Southend in the play offs. Just all depends on the ref on the day.
Its a BRILLIANT goal to cap a BRILLIANT start by Rochdale - Don Goodman 26/08/10
Refwatch - Rochdale v Woking on 11:21 - Feb 22 by dingdangblue
I think it was a penalty. Players go down now all the time with minimal contact (Berger). It was certainly no different to the penalty Gordon got v Southend in the play offs. Just all depends on the ref on the day.
It's an interesting one.
I don't think it's a penalty, nor do I think it's simulation ('dive' doesn't appear in the LotG).
It is possible for a player to go down without it being enough of a foul for a penalty, or without it being simulation. Speed and angle of running, body shape, attempting to evade challenges, etc, can all lead to a player losing his balance without it being an attempt to deceive the officials.
I never subscribe to "Why would he dive?", as no foul doesn't equal 'a dive'.
I think this was once such case, but it's easy to say that viewing it after the event and I can understand why there are differing viewpoints.
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Refwatch - Rochdale v Woking on 11:44 - Feb 22 by TVOS1907
It's an interesting one.
I don't think it's a penalty, nor do I think it's simulation ('dive' doesn't appear in the LotG).
It is possible for a player to go down without it being enough of a foul for a penalty, or without it being simulation. Speed and angle of running, body shape, attempting to evade challenges, etc, can all lead to a player losing his balance without it being an attempt to deceive the officials.
I never subscribe to "Why would he dive?", as no foul doesn't equal 'a dive'.
I think this was once such case, but it's easy to say that viewing it after the event and I can understand why there are differing viewpoints.
But... the ref must've seen it as a 'dive' otherwise he wouldn't have booked him, since (following your logic) no offence had been committed
Which then begs the question: why did the ref think he'd 'dived' when staying on his feet would've given him a clear shot on goal, which is certainly what i was alluding to when i posed the question yesterday?
Refwatch - Rochdale v Woking on 11:57 - Feb 22 by D_Alien
But... the ref must've seen it as a 'dive' otherwise he wouldn't have booked him, since (following your logic) no offence had been committed
Which then begs the question: why did the ref think he'd 'dived' when staying on his feet would've given him a clear shot on goal, which is certainly what i was alluding to when i posed the question yesterday?
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But I was saying what my opinion was, not that of the ref, who obviously thought differently at the time.
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Refwatch - Rochdale v Woking on 12:22 - Feb 22 with 1969 views
Refwatch - Rochdale v Woking on 12:14 - Feb 22 by TVOS1907
But I was saying what my opinion was, not that of the ref, who obviously thought differently at the time.
Of course, but:
"I never subscribe to "Why would he dive?", as no foul doesn't equal 'a dive'." suggests you weren't in agreement with the question being posed in terms of how the ref saw it
Refwatch - Rochdale v Woking on 19:00 - Feb 21 by EllDale
How many yellows is Gordon on now please TVOS? I understand 37 matches is the cutoff point?
6 in the league, plus 1 in the FA Cup.
The FA Cup yellow card is irrelevant now..
The cut off is 10 yellow cards in 37 league games played by the first team, so Gordon needs to avoid four more yellows in our next five matches, or it will be a two match suspension.
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Refwatch - Rochdale v Woking on 12:26 - Feb 22 with 1960 views
Refwatch - Rochdale v Woking on 12:22 - Feb 22 by D_Alien
Of course, but:
"I never subscribe to "Why would he dive?", as no foul doesn't equal 'a dive'." suggests you weren't in agreement with the question being posed in terms of how the ref saw it
I was meaning more generically - and not just about Dale matches - particularly as DDB mentioned Burger, who has had a few free-kick and penalty shouts denied, but, as far as I can recall, hasn't yet been booked for any of them.
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Refwatch - Rochdale v Woking on 12:37 - Feb 22 with 1930 views
Well that was clean and efficient. We only need to do that every game and this league is sorted. No doubt we are a very good unit and Woking had no answers to us. Seems Moss has usurped Allerakia and I have to give it to the lad he is playing really well. The arrival at the back post nearly bought him another goal yesterday and he won a dubious penalty, thought the defender got a saving touch on the ball. The referee’s decision was interesting, because if it was a foul it also had to be a red card. Each game that ticks by requires less squad rotation, although only once in March is there a full week between games. Looking to March we are away to Eastleigh on the Saturday and also to Southend the next Tuesday. Just wondering is there enough money in the kitty to stay and train down south between the games? It’s also a bonding opportunity. The inequity with which the EFL treat this league is frustrating, but when you have two excellent teams vying for one automatic promotion it’s a hell of a ride for the respective fans. UTD
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Refwatch - Rochdale v Woking on 13:47 - Feb 22 with 1781 views
Refwatch - Rochdale v Woking on 11:01 - Feb 22 by D_Alien
Not disagreeing with that, but isn't it also likely that - just as higher budgets attract better players - higher budgets attract better managers?
Talking in general of course, and the recent history of Man Utd is a case where poor managerial appointments have been made
But otherwise, those managers with a proven track record elsewhere will tend to.migrate to the top teams. If we're promoted and then flying high in League Two, will be a test of how McNulty sees his career going, since the offers will come in
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Indeed.
I suppose the question is could Pep win the league with Aston Villa, Villarreal or Stuttgart?
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Refwatch - Rochdale v Woking on 13:57 - Feb 22 with 1758 views
Refwatch - Rochdale v Woking on 13:47 - Feb 22 by isitme
Indeed.
I suppose the question is could Pep win the league with Aston Villa, Villarreal or Stuttgart?
If he stayed long enough, probably. Based only on the fact he’s so focused on getting the infrastructure and his own thoughts on how to play imbedded in at a club. Of course, it’s dictated by results and if managers don’t get them along the way, then even someone like Guardiola won’t last.
That’s something McNulty has dealt well with over time, every time results looked to be taking a turn and he could be in trouble, his sides responded and went on good runs again. It required patience from the board and supporters during those spells too, that loyalty had been rewarded although the manager will have been under no illusions about the need to improve. Evolving whilst sticking to principles is vital in the modern game, what was once seen as boring is now a calmness that is lauded.
Also want to say that the performance of Dan Moss yesterday proved me wrong again yesterday. Whereas he might not offer as much of outlet in terms of ball carrying as other options, his tactical nouse and increasingly impressive ability to cause issues in the opposition penalty area justify his inclusion.
Refwatch - Rochdale v Woking on 22:31 - Feb 21 by _Windydale
I feel that for the disallowed goal, Manny D was onside. For Gordon's yellow, the defender does pull out of the challenge, and it looks like a dive. Think we got lucky with the penalty. It looks like the defender got the ball.
I'll split the difference - thought Mani was offside, Gordon's was a pen, Moss's wasn't!
I`ve got used to watching every game back the next day in full and it`s surprising what you can pick up on when the pressure is off.
Until the time added on Yaskelleinen didn`t have a save to make. It was a comfortable win thanks to Mani D`s shooting skills and a clever set piece. Good enough on the night, but probably not against better teams.
Why Dale are so wasteful when they do shoot is all to do with their control of the ball. Watch Mani D or Hendo when they have a clear chance.
In my amateur football days, we were always told to sidefoot the ball wherever possible. This can be done at pace and often tricks the keeper if aimed at the corner. Both Mani D`s first goal yesterday and Ryan East`s in the previous game were good examples of this.
Too often the player lifts the ball in going for power and end up hoofing it over the bar. Devante is the worst culprit of this, but most of the midfielders are guilty. We don`t create many clear chances and can`t afford to miss them.
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Refwatch - Rochdale v Woking on 15:18 - Feb 22 with 1553 views
Refwatch - Rochdale v Woking on 12:37 - Feb 22 by jonahwhereru
Well that was clean and efficient. We only need to do that every game and this league is sorted. No doubt we are a very good unit and Woking had no answers to us. Seems Moss has usurped Allerakia and I have to give it to the lad he is playing really well. The arrival at the back post nearly bought him another goal yesterday and he won a dubious penalty, thought the defender got a saving touch on the ball. The referee’s decision was interesting, because if it was a foul it also had to be a red card. Each game that ticks by requires less squad rotation, although only once in March is there a full week between games. Looking to March we are away to Eastleigh on the Saturday and also to Southend the next Tuesday. Just wondering is there enough money in the kitty to stay and train down south between the games? It’s also a bonding opportunity. The inequity with which the EFL treat this league is frustrating, but when you have two excellent teams vying for one automatic promotion it’s a hell of a ride for the respective fans. UTD
It wasn't a red card because the defender was making a genuine attempt to win the ball, therefore it can only be yellow.
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Refwatch - Rochdale v Woking on 00:00 - Feb 23 with 1108 views
Refwatch - Rochdale v Woking on 15:13 - Feb 22 by samueloneils
I`ve got used to watching every game back the next day in full and it`s surprising what you can pick up on when the pressure is off.
Until the time added on Yaskelleinen didn`t have a save to make. It was a comfortable win thanks to Mani D`s shooting skills and a clever set piece. Good enough on the night, but probably not against better teams.
Why Dale are so wasteful when they do shoot is all to do with their control of the ball. Watch Mani D or Hendo when they have a clear chance.
In my amateur football days, we were always told to sidefoot the ball wherever possible. This can be done at pace and often tricks the keeper if aimed at the corner. Both Mani D`s first goal yesterday and Ryan East`s in the previous game were good examples of this.
Too often the player lifts the ball in going for power and end up hoofing it over the bar. Devante is the worst culprit of this, but most of the midfielders are guilty. We don`t create many clear chances and can`t afford to miss them.
Yes, too many high, lofty shots over the bar. An interesting point I read about Shearer's technique was that when he had a wild swing, or uncontrolled stab at goal, hit it in the ground. Cause mayhem in the box, make it awkward for the keeper and maybe give others a chance.
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Refwatch - Rochdale v Woking on 00:38 - Feb 23 with 1077 views
Refwatch - Rochdale v Woking on 19:37 - Feb 21 by pioneer
Job done…’slump’ ended.
If Hornets beat winless Hunslet tomorrow it will mean both the towns professional teams are top of the league. I dont think that has happened ever in 118 years.
Oops
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Refwatch - Rochdale v Woking on 10:53 - Feb 23 with 754 views
Refwatch - Rochdale v Woking on 10:53 - Feb 23 by frenzied
Saw the Scunny pitch recently ..not the easiest to,play on ..patchy and sandy in areas
Thank goodness we are not playing at Grimsby. Their pitch is a real mess - the ball wasn't running freely in their televised FA Cup game at the weekend. I would think Scunthorpe's pitch is better than that.
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