| Patience (with added duck) 13:47 - Aug 11 with 4785 views | Superhoop83 |
None of us has the faintest idea how we are going to fare this season - it could be great, it could be a disaster - but it is beyond ridiculous to be writing off Chris Ramsey after one game of the season, especially when certain factors (the farcical friendly arrangements and the club's inability to sell some of its assets) have nothing to do with him.
I doubt there is a single fan who doesn't have reservations about CR's ability to become a good manager - I know I do - but we are all getting sucked into the modern curses of expectation and hype, thanks in large part to Sky and their money making machine.
During the Preston v Boro game the commentator wondered out loud whether either team would score "a priceless goal". Priceless? Really?
Saturday's result was a big disappointment but the main reason for it seems to have been lack of match fitness on a hot day. None of us would have picked a massively different team. As much as I rate Faurlin, he absolutely has to be eased back in and if CR hadn't selected Austin, he'd have been berated for it. The team was well on top until Charlton scored (with some assistance from Green) and then the fitness issues and the heat kicked in.
The booing of Charlie Austin only reflects how stupid some fans can be but - and I know it's been said before - we absolutely have to give the new management regime time. With the exception of the usual experts on this board, we have all been pretty optimistic about the coming season. Things are definitely moving in the right direction for a club of our size and we have a good number of young players who really want to be here. Long may that continue.
I suggest we all wait and see how things are going by the end of August before we draw any conclusions, even if that's much easier said than done for many, myself included! [Post edited 11 Aug 2015 15:09]
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| Patience on 01:05 - Aug 12 with 847 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Patience on 00:52 - Aug 12 by PunteR |
Ramsey is head coach,he's been coaching for years.
Ferdinand is fully qualified to be DOF plus has an added bonus of being a player at the top level ,a coach at a top level and a player for QPR .
Would you rather Hasselbank or Powell?
Where's the bottom of the pyramid? League 2? Conference? How many managers start off in the conference and work their way up to premier league.?
Proper wum.
"social experiment"?
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Les had no prior experience of DOF and Ramsey no prior experience as head coach at the top level.
Managers do earn their stripes. Ferguson at Aberdeen, Wenger in Japan and Monaco, Mourinho at Uniao, etc.
QPR meanwhile defy all logic to experiment with inexperienced staff from top to bottom because of certain connection.
Proper tool with blinkers on.
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| Patience (with added duck) on 01:22 - Aug 12 with 832 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| Patience (with added duck) on 21:30 - Aug 11 by Ingham |
Good posts, I think, right from the top.
Had the Club told us - and this goes back decades - that they were signing poor quality players, poor quality managers, and the people running the Club would make poor decisions more or less continously, we couldn't fault them for getting it right.
Now they're in the position of the boy who cried wolf. Except they don't cry wolf - even though wolf is practically invariably what we get - they tell us that this time things will be all right.
They can't go on doing this (although there is no reason to think that they won't). Each time they are proved wrong, faith in their judgement diminishes FURTHER. As each manager is dismissed, they demonstrate their OWN lack of faith in their judgement.
Why should we stick up for them when none of them sticks up for the others? Managers discard players, players conspicuously let managers take the rap for their own abysmal performances, chairmen sack, sack, sack - blaming someone else for their own shortcomings, and demonstrating as they do so how worthless their judgements and decisions are.
If they can't stick by managers and stick by the squad they have until it proves itself, why should we? They seem to decide quickly enough that a manager or squad doesn't have what it takes. We have a new squad practically every year, a new manager practically every year.
And for the Board to say they learned their lesson is not an excuse they can go on using year in and year out. Just as they can't go on asking us to give them time. Time to do WHAT, exactly?
It is not as if they are our comrades in arms, loyal to the Club. The poor quality players will get the elbow, so loyalty hardly makes sense from their point of view, and the good ones, well, once they have a name they can trade on, we don't see them for dust, as a rule.
Personally, I'm happy not to have any expectations of the manager and the squad, but that means what it says. I don't know what our results will be, but I only HOPE they'll be good. I don't endorse the manager or the players because it doesn't make sense, any more than it would make
sense to BELIEVE that oncoming oncoming traffic won't suddenly veer into my path when I'm driving and smash me up. I merely hope they won't.
We can go on hoping, as we always do, but that isn't a reason to go on denying logic, common sense, and decades of experience. Or to put the onus on supporters to 'get behind them'. If they want credibility, let them earn it. Admittedly it is very difficult for them to do that now, because even in this league, they are all paid so much to fail.
There is nothing wrong at the Supporter end of the Club, whether we are critical or whatever our opinions are.
If it is wrong to hammer the manager after one game, I'm not sure I see any need to defend him. There is no need to be abusive, but he knows as well as we do that his ONLY ticket to a future here or, long term, at any other Club, is good performances and results.
If any of them feel this is asking too much, they might consider being more frank about their own shortcomings, and not feeding us all the feelgood and keep the faith and upbeat stuff.
After all, it is laughable, at a Club where directors have been talking about a huge new stadium, the Champions League (Bhatia), and Fernandes's 'world class talent', and where the cost of all their mistakes are charged, not to the people making them, but to the Club, to ask if supporter expectations are too high.
If there wasn't the sober criticism and, to an extent, frank disbelief of what we are told, and what it is insinuated we should believe in, where would we find even the most basic sanity?
They might do worse than do what beginners should do, and learn the game. I've never noticed any enthusiasm, especially in QPR boardrooms, for anything so honest, sensible, and respectful to those who have REAL talent in the game, from whom they MIGHT actually learn something.
The impression the directors gave when they arrived was that QPR was too small, too unsuccessful, had inadequate support and finances. It seemed to escape their notice that there was a reason for that. That nobody in the Boardroom ever had the talent to make the Club, bigger, better or more successful. Only Gregory really changed things on the pitch, but the size of the Club altered scarcely at all.
Winning matches, over and over again, year in year out, can change everything, certainly it can. But it is the hardest thing of all to do. Not the first thing that beginners can reassure us about.
Supporter criticism has proved much nearer to the reality of what the Club is, and what the people representing it are capable of, than their own self-promoting wishful thinking.
It is time they learned from us. And saw themselves as they really are. Those supporters are right who think we should get behind the Club, but backing people who serially let QPR down, one way or the other, culpably or not, is not getting behind the Club.
They can win. Or they can be honest about their inability to do so. Especially if they can provide SOME evidence that there are genuine improvements taking place. So far, there are only the same old same old reassurances.
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Bang on
Well they do bang no about how good they are and how there are "the right one" loads of owners and the last 2 managers fore-sure, failure on a massive scale.
To be fair CR has not said he is going to achieve anything past some stability, but in the world of football, that in it's self is unlikely, no matter how big or small a club is.
He knows and we all know he will fail and be sacked at some point, but with a 3 year contract, he won't be crying many tears about it.
Quack! [Post edited 12 Aug 2015 1:24]
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| Patience on 01:23 - Aug 12 with 831 views | PunteR |
| Patience on 01:05 - Aug 12 by Benny_the_Ball |
Les had no prior experience of DOF and Ramsey no prior experience as head coach at the top level.
Managers do earn their stripes. Ferguson at Aberdeen, Wenger in Japan and Monaco, Mourinho at Uniao, etc.
QPR meanwhile defy all logic to experiment with inexperienced staff from top to bottom because of certain connection.
Proper tool with blinkers on.
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Its been an experiment for the last 4 years years since TF took over . The result? Ramsey and Ferdinand.
Put your bunsen burners away.
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