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Well well well, no answers to the Jewish questions hey Kerouac, Jews this, Jews that and then when questioned, no answers.........no surprise there then, you are just an agenda driven Mick are you.
As regards the Welsh they love the ladies, laws of Hywel Dda, not sure if over a 1000 years later if the English have caught up yet [might just have in the last 100 years] ?
A Port Talbot Catholic are you ?, council house dweller hey, Irish descendent and now a Lib Dem supporter.........oh dear. That's were you get your view of the World from is it.
They say we are all products of our environment, i'm Welsh and no doubt see things from that perspective.
If a left footer paddy from PT wants to fight for a Welsh boyo's rights then carry on batman. lol.
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Moslems really are the grumpiest people on earth..... on 20:07 - Feb 22 by trampie
Well well well, no answers to the Jewish questions hey Kerouac, Jews this, Jews that and then when questioned, no answers.........no surprise there then, you are just an agenda driven Mick are you.
As regards the Welsh they love the ladies, laws of Hywel Dda, not sure if over a 1000 years later if the English have caught up yet [might just have in the last 100 years] ?
A Port Talbot Catholic are you ?, council house dweller hey, Irish descendent and now a Lib Dem supporter.........oh dear. That's were you get your view of the World from is it.
They say we are all products of our environment, i'm Welsh and no doubt see things from that perspective.
If a left footer paddy from PT wants to fight for a Welsh boyo's rights then carry on batman. lol.
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Listen to Tramp....vote Plaid.
He hasn't got a clue how to deal with the Islamic terrorists being produced by this country, frankly he's not even interested. He believes anyone who sticks up for homosexuals and Jews must have an agenda....yes, anyone who concerns themselves with such matters must be a homosexual Jew! You're so astute Tramp, Neath's answer to Columbo....or should that be Dumbo.
So you are anti-Jew, anti-Irish, anti-homosexual and anti-English....do carry on I'm sure there's lots more. Yes I was raised a Catholic in Port Talbot. I'm half Welsh, half Irish, and I vote Lib Dem (when your National Socialist boys take over you'll have to get hold of IBM and see if they can't dig up the machine they sold Hitler to store all this info on the populace.....anyone who is not 100% Welsh, or Muslim will have to be put to work on building super highways linking up Cymru before a trip to the gas chambers ) and I'm Welsh too, dickhead.........and now I and my family live on the Gower and have an idyllic lifestyle. Whereas you'll always be a miserable little shit itch trying to start the revolution from Neath won't you boy. Still you could get an education and a good career....or continue to blame everybody else for your problems ey!
We're not all products of our environment. Some of us learn to think for ourselves and take control of our own lives, some of us mould our environment.
No, I didn't answer any of your questions. Why Tramp? Because whilst I have been dissecting your posts taking apart every "point" you've made...which must be irritating and the reason why you've lost the plot and showed yourself up for what you are....you haven't answered any of the questions I have put to you. You've lost the argument. If this was a boxing match you'd be in casualty by now.
Tramp has proven to be a typical, bigoted, small minded, parochial, little, village idiot, loser. Be like Tramp, vote Plaid!
You have a cheek dissing immigrants when you are of immigrant stock yourself, look what some Irishmen did to our English friends and you refer to Islamic terrorism.
Its not an unusual phenomenon for a second or third generation immigrant to be anti immigration, perhaps you can answer why that is ?
Just make sure you fight for my rights as is your want.
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Moslems really are the grumpiest people on earth..... on 17:16 - Feb 22 by trampie
I smell a rat, I thought it strange why you mentioned Homosexuals and Jews in the first place.
I tell you there are dangerous people of other faiths not just some Muslims and give Christians in the World wars and Jews in the occupied territories as examples and you go ranting about Jews this and Jews that.
Like I say I smell a rat.
Do you think the Jews are persecuted and others not ? If so why do you think the Jews are persecuted ?, if not why do certain people seem to go off about it all the time that they are ? Do you think Jews are a chosen people and others not ?
Haven't there always been Arabs and others in Judea ? [or was it a Jewish only zone ?] Do you think its right that Israel breaks international law by ignoring UN sanctions ? Isn't it against all human rights that Israel has turned Gaza into a Ghetto ?
What side were most Jews on in WW1 ? Didn't some Zionists agree with Hitler and see Britain as the enemy due to Hitler's support for a homeland ? Jewish terrorists killed British people in Palestine resulting in riots over what the Jewish terrorists had done in places like Liverpool and South Wales. Why did the English kick the Jews out of the country back in the day ?
I tell you what Tramp, I'm going to do you a big favour and answer your stupid, inane questions...
"Do you think the Jews are persecuted and others not ?" - Obviously not. You are fukking moronic. Even on this thread I have identified other people who are persecuted. You said as much in this very post of yours I've quoted...homosexuals. On this thread I have identified; Women, Christians, Kurds, Hindus, Sikhs, Nigerians, Thais, Muslims (mostly persecuted by their fellow Muslims).
"If so why do you think the Jews are persecuted ?" - Null and void but still, a disgusting question. Ask for it do they?
"if not why do certain people seem to go off about it all the time that they are ? " - Give me fukking strength. You want me to tell you what is going on in the mind of other people...by "certain people" you mean Jews who complain of Anti-semitism right? Why not just say the words ? You weasel. Do Jews who complain of Anti-semitism believe they are THE ONLY ONES PERSECUTED? I've never heard any Jew make such a statement, if you have you'd better ask them.
"Do you think Jews are a chosen people and others not ?" - Are you reading ANY of what I write? It is kind of a pre-requisite if you wish to have a debate with someone that you listen to the other point of view. No. I'M AN ATHEIST you fukking child. Actually, my children are more rational than you so I am doing children a disservice there.
"Haven't there always been Arabs and others in Judea ?"[or was it a Jewish only zone ?] - Yes, and Jews. Jerusalem is a Jewish city. The clue is in the name. Mecca and Medina are Islamic cities. 2 holy cities will have to be enough for them. As you have such sympathy for Muslims Tramp why not give them Swansea or Llanelli? They could use a few more. A scrap of land that belonged to your forefathers, your homeland, is obviously not worth fighting for after all...A people doesn't need a homeland do they Tramp...you get more excited about some English people having the temerity to live here and use our NHS (which they make up the shortfall to pay for) don't you Tramp.
"Do you think its right that Israel breaks international law by ignoring UN sanctions ? - I, nor the people at the UN, walk in their shoes. I believe they have fought for their homeland and will defend their homeland against those who look to murder their sons and daughters just for being there. If people were out to hurt my children with guns and bombs there is no telling what I would do Tramp. The Palestinians should have negotiated a 2 state solution by now. They have had plenty of opportunities.
I'll tell you something...despite Palestinians spilling over the borders to neighbouring countries in their millions over the decades....trashing Lebanon in the process....the Palestinian population is much higher now than it was when Israel was formed (a touch over 500k in 1948...about the size of Cardiff), much higher (3.8m today...population has exploded since the early 80s). - https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=palestinian+population+growth&espv=2&biw=1366& Were you aware that following the invasion of India by Islamists, over the course of their rule there which lasted hundreds of years, the population of India shrunk? Look here; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Iran scroll down to see how Jews were persecuted in Iran between 1502 and 1925. Persecution eh.
In 1972 almost 60,000 Asian Ugandans (Muslims) were expelled from Uganda by President Idi Amin...he was persecuting them by expelling them, many Islamist leaders over the centuries have used the same tactic. The UK as the former colonists took them all. The Muslim states of the middle east aren't so keen to accept Palestinian immigration.
"Isn't it against all human rights that Israel has turned Gaza into a Ghetto ?" - A loaded question. Gaza doesn't need to be a ghetto. I hold the Arabs at least as responsible as the Jews for this situation. The Arabs across the region want the Israeli state gone. It's going nowhere. If they weren't so bitter and full of hatred something could be done for the Palestinians....who are not innocent victims in all of this either.
The Jews seized the opportunity to establish Israel again. They flooded in from every corner of the middle east where they were being persecuted. Some of the Arab states, such as Turkey, couldn't ship them out quick enough! The Palestinians were offered a compromise, a 2 state solution. They didn't take it. An alliance of Arab countries tried to remove Israel and drive them into the sea. They failed and were humiliated. The Arabs have had 4 more cracks at it over the years and have failed every time. Meanwhile the Palestinians have been offered solutions.
They don't want it solved. They wanted the Jews gone from their countries. Then they thought they could murder them in Israel with the Palestinans providing the perfect excuse. They have continually been given a bloody nose and it eats away at them. Why the left in this country have adopted the cause of these people with such hatred in their hearts? Fukk knows. but it is misguided, and history won't look kindly on us.
"What side were most Jews on in WW1 ? " - An irrelevant question. You tell me Tramp, and while you're about it tell me what this (IF it were true) says about the Jews
"Didn't some Zionists agree with Hitler and see Britain as the enemy due to Hitler's support for a homeland ?" - Unlikely Tramp, but there are always some loons in any group of people. Read Mein Kampf Tramp to understand why what you are implying is SO unlikely.
"Why did the English kick the Jews out of the country back in the day ?" - You are going to have to explain this question in more detail but I will say the Jewish people have obviously thrived in the UK despite dipshits like you Tramp.
At the end of the day Tramp, the only thing that is relevant regarding this debate is that Jews are not committing terrorism in the World today. They come and assimilate not demand that we convert. Islam on the other hand has caused a problem for every country it has pitched up in and will continue to.
Now go back and try to answer some of my questions or go fukk yourself.
Moslems really are the grumpiest people on earth..... on 22:18 - Feb 22 by trampie
I'm not a townie, i'm not from Neef.
You have a cheek dissing immigrants when you are of immigrant stock yourself, look what some Irishmen did to our English friends and you refer to Islamic terrorism.
Its not an unusual phenomenon for a second or third generation immigrant to be anti immigration, perhaps you can answer why that is ?
Just make sure you fight for my rights as is your want.
I didn't ever "diss immigrants" dipshit. You seem to think you can tell lies to win arguments.
The IRA was about regaining full control over their homeland, which was stolen off them by some English and some Scots. The same motivation as the Jews. Which I find perfectly understandable. WOULD YOU NOT FIGHT FOR YOUR HOMELAND TRAMP? Funny sort of Welsh nationalist aren't you Tramp.
I'm not answering anymore of your inane questions Tramp. You are way out of your depth son.
I will fight for your rights Tramp, and my son's and my daughter's (don't want her growing up in a society where Islam has grown further). You can put your feet up and pontificate on how unfair the UK is in comfort from your living room in the Neath Valley like the coward you are Tramp.
I don't live in the vale of Neath, I don't tell people how to live, some people would say that someone from immigrant stock like you should not be telling indigenous people how their country should be run.
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Moslems really are the grumpiest people on earth..... on 05:51 - Feb 23 by trampie
I don't live in the vale of Neath, I don't tell people how to live, some people would say that someone from immigrant stock like you should not be telling indigenous people how their country should be run.
Are you ashamed of where you live and where you are from Tramp, you seem to be dancing around the subject.
You support a political party and regularly write posts on here slating the Blue, Red and Yellow Tories....always framing the point you try to make in moral terms, right and wrong. So you do tell people "how to live".
Re: "some people would say that someone from immigrant stock like you should not be telling indigenous people how their country should be run."
There are 2 options. Either you;
a) believe this and therefore are only for Islamic immigration (or any immigration) if they are treated as 2nd class citizens....after all, they are not pure Welsh thouroughbreds but from immigrant stock and shouldn't be allowed to tell the superior Welsh what to do.
OR
b) You are trying to be clever and make a point about my attitude to Islam, but unfortunately you are not very clever and have just made a kunt of yourself again. You see, I explicitly stated that I was pro immigration and welcome people from all races and nations. I only have 3 provisos; 1) We have the capacity in terms of the Labour market, accomodation and the public services. 2) Those who are coming are signing up to assimilate, becoming loyal Brits. 3) There is far less Islamic immigration, I would only let a tiny amount of Muslims come in....limits, and I would hand pick them for their skills and their tolerance ( a tolerance test would be good. People may give false answers to pass the test but at least then what we expect of them as a society has been spelled out up front so there can be no complaints if either they or their children find themselves in hot water for "extremism" in the future.
You see Islam is an ideology, not a race. You or I could become Muslims today if you like, and it is the ideology that I oppose and don't want to grow in this country. If you ask British people in a survey if they approve of Islamic doctrine on various subjects they overwhelmingly support my view. It is only if you portray Islam as a persecuted minority or by mixing in things that don't belong in this debate, like the Israeli-Palestine conflict, that Muslims garner any support in this country. (Muslims know this of course which is why they have pushed the "Islamophobia" and Palestinian agendas at every opportunity....and many people on the left fall for it hook line and sinker).
There is a good reason for this. It is that Islamic attitudes to life are completely alien to our own. Which is why I oppose it's growth. You might as well ask me if I'd like to import a hundred thousand or so Nazis every year. No thank-you. Do other religions also promote anti-women, anti-gay etc. ideas? Yes, but they have learnt to tow the line and not cause any problems. They are not producing terrorists so they are less of a problem (but I would still go after them also).
Having been raised a Catholic and made my own mind up about religion I can tell you that it is every religious person's choice whether they sign up to an ideology or not. So for example If you live in a country where other religions are tolerated, where women are given equal rights, where homosexuals can't be discriminated against....but you sign up to an ideology that says the opposite. You are responsible for your own choices and have set yourself against the state that you live. You have 3 choices; 1) Leave and go and live in a country that agrees with you and your ideology, a theocracy or a state that has adopted a lot of the same positions as your ideology. 2) Be a reformer in the context of your religion....the religion should bend to the state, not the other way around. The state, if it is democratic, represents the will of the population after all. 3) Fight the state, either through politics or violence.
I only want religious people who choose option no. 2. Those who choose option no. 1, good luck to them! Those who choose no. 3 should be crushed for the good of the other citizens. Minority religious nutters don't get to tell other people how to live. Not here. Not in this century, or the future.
Some people would say you are like a badly written sitcom character Tramp. Some say you are in urgent need of a lobotomy.
You said Kerouac ''The IRA was about regaining full control over their homeland'' and then you go onto say ''Which I find perfectly understandable''. That will not go down well with a lot of Swansea people, British soldiers including Welsh were killed by the terrorists, there are lots of Brit Nats about that will not welcome someone of immigrant stock now living amongst them saying such things.
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Moslems really are the grumpiest people on earth..... on 11:09 - Feb 23 by trampie
You said Kerouac ''The IRA was about regaining full control over their homeland'' and then you go onto say ''Which I find perfectly understandable''. That will not go down well with a lot of Swansea people, British soldiers including Welsh were killed by the terrorists, there are lots of Brit Nats about that will not welcome someone of immigrant stock now living amongst them saying such things.
Fukk off.
If you really believe the Welsh are oppressed by the English and need to take control of their own country you will have to take some lessons off the Irish and the Jews and grow a pair of bollocks as you will never win at the ballot box.
and why is that Tramp? Surely an "oppressed people" who have the chance to vote for a Nationalist party who, could (if they had courage in their own convictions), offer an independence referendum to that "oppressed people"....would take that chance, wouldn't they Tramp?
Your party doesn't even think so!
Maybe, just maybe Tramp, the Welsh people are perfectly happy as part of the UK.
Kerouac. You might reflect on the fact you ve wasted 35 minutes or so communicating with a clown so tragic it makes me want to return home and do some charity work for the Welsh poor. I say poor as stats say Wales is just about bottom for everything.
Trample should be a massive pis stake but he s not. I don't think.
Reading his work however does evidence the belief ,held by many, thst we Welsh are an insular, bitter, collection of squabbling tribes. Just think what we happen if the queen of primark was to have any power .
Thanks god the English have put us in our place, else we d have had a civil war to match the Irish. Oh yes.
I wish I d simply impregnated more Lovely English ladies and left the hairy valley girls alone.
Moslems really are the grumpiest people on earth..... on 16:30 - Feb 23 by perchrockjack
Kerouac. You might reflect on the fact you ve wasted 35 minutes or so communicating with a clown so tragic it makes me want to return home and do some charity work for the Welsh poor. I say poor as stats say Wales is just about bottom for everything.
Trample should be a massive pis stake but he s not. I don't think.
Reading his work however does evidence the belief ,held by many, thst we Welsh are an insular, bitter, collection of squabbling tribes. Just think what we happen if the queen of primark was to have any power .
Thanks god the English have put us in our place, else we d have had a civil war to match the Irish. Oh yes.
I wish I d simply impregnated more Lovely English ladies and left the hairy valley girls alone.
"Insular, bitter, collection of squabbling tribes". Unfortunately there's a lot of truth to that and it's the reason why Plaid will never duplicate the success of the SNP in Scotland.
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Moslems really are the grumpiest people on earth..... on 18:05 - Feb 24 with 2295 views
Moslems really are the grumpiest people on earth..... on 17:46 - Feb 24 by LeonisGod
"Insular, bitter, collection of squabbling tribes". Unfortunately there's a lot of truth to that and it's the reason why Plaid will never duplicate the success of the SNP in Scotland.
I'm not aware of Plaid being insular, bitter or a collection of squabbling tribes, although I've nothing to do with them as i'm only a voter, its all relative, but they seem to sing from the same hymn sheet as much if not more than the other parties.
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Moslems really are the grumpiest people on earth..... on 18:05 - Feb 24 by trampie
I'm not aware of Plaid being insular, bitter or a collection of squabbling tribes, although I've nothing to do with them as i'm only a voter, its all relative, but they seem to sing from the same hymn sheet as much if not more than the other parties.
Not Plaid, but the people of Wales. There's a massive chasm between the first language Welsh speaking and non-Welsh speaking in particular. I may be wrong, but it seems to me that Plaid is hindered by being seen by many as not representing both sides. Presumably this is why they make such a big thing about Leanne being a learner. This type of issue doesn't affect Scotland anywhere near to the same degree. As an incomer, I find it very surprising to be honest that the nationalist party doesn't get more support.
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Moslems really are the grumpiest people on earth..... on 18:33 - Feb 24 with 2277 views
Moslems really are the grumpiest people on earth..... on 18:24 - Feb 24 by LeonisGod
Not Plaid, but the people of Wales. There's a massive chasm between the first language Welsh speaking and non-Welsh speaking in particular. I may be wrong, but it seems to me that Plaid is hindered by being seen by many as not representing both sides. Presumably this is why they make such a big thing about Leanne being a learner. This type of issue doesn't affect Scotland anywhere near to the same degree. As an incomer, I find it very surprising to be honest that the nationalist party doesn't get more support.
Oh i'm sorry I originally misunderstood, yes you are correct LeonisGod I agree with you
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will have to be put to work on building super highways linking up Cymru before a trip to the gas chambers 
) and I'm Welsh too, dickhead.........and now I and my family live on the Gower and have an idyllic lifestyle. 
