| Deaths 41% higher 11:22 - Apr 21 with 10925 views | waynekerr55 |
But yeah, Ch-eye-naaah, or something.
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| Deaths 41% higher on 16:41 - Apr 22 with 1647 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Deaths 41% higher on 16:31 - Apr 22 by controversial_jack |
The usual process will be bypassed, as relatives won't be able to register them, but that's right that they can't be done at weekends.Tuesdays figure is always higher |
You still have to register deaths.
I have no idea what you’re referring to. I’ve just checked and you still have to register it in 5 days. |  | | |
| Deaths 41% higher on 16:51 - Apr 22 with 1638 views | raynor94 |
| Deaths 41% higher on 16:31 - Apr 22 by controversial_jack |
The usual process will be bypassed, as relatives won't be able to register them, but that's right that they can't be done at weekends.Tuesdays figure is always higher |
Deaths are registered online and by phone, by next of kin. |  |
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| Deaths 41% higher on 16:53 - Apr 22 with 1633 views | controversial_jack |
| Deaths 41% higher on 16:41 - Apr 22 by londonlisa2001 |
You still have to register deaths.
I have no idea what you’re referring to. I’ve just checked and you still have to register it in 5 days. |
It's done online. The doctors sends the certificate to the registrar, who then begins the process of registration with the relative and funeral director | | | |
| Deaths 41% higher on 17:01 - Apr 22 with 1626 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Deaths 41% higher on 16:53 - Apr 22 by controversial_jack |
It's done online. The doctors sends the certificate to the registrar, who then begins the process of registration with the relative and funeral director |
You’re still registering them. Just online.
Anyway. It really doesn’t change anything that I’ve said. | | | |
| Deaths 41% higher on 17:05 - Apr 22 with 1620 views | controversial_jack |
| Deaths 41% higher on 17:01 - Apr 22 by londonlisa2001 |
You’re still registering them. Just online.
Anyway. It really doesn’t change anything that I’ve said. |
It'as done quicker, that's probably why we have up to date stats within a day or two | | | |
| Deaths 41% higher on 17:06 - Apr 22 with 1619 views | raynor94 |
| Deaths 41% higher on 16:53 - Apr 22 by controversial_jack |
It's done online. The doctors sends the certificate to the registrar, who then begins the process of registration with the relative and funeral director |
Beep, Beep. CJ is reversing  | |
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| Deaths 41% higher on 17:10 - Apr 22 with 1611 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Deaths 41% higher on 17:05 - Apr 22 by controversial_jack |
It'as done quicker, that's probably why we have up to date stats within a day or two |
We don’t though.
The ONS deaths are reported when they are (yesterday showed deaths until 10 April) because the process takes quite a while.
Notifying the registrar is only the first stage (and you’ve 8 days in Scotland btw).
11 days seem to capture the vast majority, which is why that Tuesday report is so vital. | | | |
| Deaths 41% higher on 17:35 - Apr 22 with 1598 views | controversial_jack |
| Deaths 41% higher on 17:10 - Apr 22 by londonlisa2001 |
We don’t though.
The ONS deaths are reported when they are (yesterday showed deaths until 10 April) because the process takes quite a while.
Notifying the registrar is only the first stage (and you’ve 8 days in Scotland btw).
11 days seem to capture the vast majority, which is why that Tuesday report is so vital. |
The NHS includes deaths that have not yet been registered | | | |
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| Deaths 41% higher on 17:43 - Apr 22 with 1590 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Deaths 41% higher on 17:10 - Apr 22 by londonlisa2001 |
We don’t though.
The ONS deaths are reported when they are (yesterday showed deaths until 10 April) because the process takes quite a while.
Notifying the registrar is only the first stage (and you’ve 8 days in Scotland btw).
11 days seem to capture the vast majority, which is why that Tuesday report is so vital. |
Putting a modern system in place for all deaths should be there already.
Its all too difficult, too hard, too complex.
It needs to change pronto.
Another Govt failing then, unless its deliberate ....
It still looks like they are hiding the truth, and thats not good for anyone. |  |
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| Deaths 41% higher on 17:55 - Apr 22 with 1580 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Deaths 41% higher on 17:35 - Apr 22 by controversial_jack |
The NHS includes deaths that have not yet been registered |
No it doesn’t. They changed that weeks ago.
There are many graphs that show the difference between death by date of death and death by date of reporting, even in the daily figures.
That’s why the death numbers are far lower at the weekends. | | | |
| Deaths 41% higher on 17:57 - Apr 22 with 1578 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Deaths 41% higher on 17:43 - Apr 22 by Kilkennyjack |
Putting a modern system in place for all deaths should be there already.
Its all too difficult, too hard, too complex.
It needs to change pronto.
Another Govt failing then, unless its deliberate ....
It still looks like they are hiding the truth, and thats not good for anyone. |
Yeah, God knows why the system for reporting deaths can’t be a quick online click without huge numbers of checks and balances.
Definitely the government’s fault.
Do you think about what you write? | | | |
| Deaths 41% higher on 18:05 - Apr 22 with 1575 views | magicdaps10 |
| Deaths 41% higher on 17:57 - Apr 22 by londonlisa2001 |
Yeah, God knows why the system for reporting deaths can’t be a quick online click without huge numbers of checks and balances.
Definitely the government’s fault.
Do you think about what you write? |
Hate normally pushes ahead of thought with individuals like this.
Let it go, it was many moons ago. |  |
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| Deaths 41% higher on 18:09 - Apr 22 with 1571 views | Dr_Winston |
| Deaths 41% higher on 17:57 - Apr 22 by londonlisa2001 |
Yeah, God knows why the system for reporting deaths can’t be a quick online click without huge numbers of checks and balances.
Definitely the government’s fault.
Do you think about what you write? |
Kilks hasn't been thinking about anything other than using the death figures as a means to make political capital for quite some time. |  |
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| Deaths 41% higher on 23:05 - Apr 22 with 1518 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Deaths 41% higher on 18:09 - Apr 22 by Dr_Winston |
Kilks hasn't been thinking about anything other than using the death figures as a means to make political capital for quite some time. |
Feck off you boring w@nker ... | |
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| Deaths 41% higher on 23:10 - Apr 22 with 1513 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Deaths 41% higher on 17:57 - Apr 22 by londonlisa2001 |
Yeah, God knows why the system for reporting deaths can’t be a quick online click without huge numbers of checks and balances.
Definitely the government’s fault.
Do you think about what you write? |
Lisa - it could and should be done.
God knows how you view on-line banking ?
My God it can be done.
Carry on supporting that crazy woman who you thought was so good.
Laughable tbh - described the uk approach as an ‘international exemplar’.
Even Jeremy Hunt is saying the uk approach is poor compared to other nations.
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| Deaths 41% higher on 00:20 - Apr 23 with 1489 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Deaths 41% higher on 23:10 - Apr 22 by Kilkennyjack |
Lisa - it could and should be done.
God knows how you view on-line banking ?
My God it can be done.
Carry on supporting that crazy woman who you thought was so good.
Laughable tbh - described the uk approach as an ‘international exemplar’.
Even Jeremy Hunt is saying the uk approach is poor compared to other nations.
Do you think about what you write ? |
Grow up you tedious sod.
You are behaving like a small child.
If you can’t see the risks of online systems without checks and balances from medical professionals for registering deaths you are a complete moron. Comparing it to banking is farcical.
And stop misrepresenting what people are saying. You’re either doing it deliberately or you’re thick as shit. ‘That crazy woman’, and I assume you mean Dr Harries, pointed out that the UK was regarded as one of the top two countries in the world for pandemic preparedness. Which is a statement of fact. It’s not her fault if the government ran down stocks and training preparedness. She’s a doctor. Not a politician.
You have absolutely no idea whether we are poor, good, shocking or brilliant. No idea whatsoever. You don’t understand half of the information which you are posting about, you certainly don’t understand the statistics, or even basics like the fact that the ONS, whose figures you describe as proving the government is hiding stuff is the bloody government.
You are just desperate for this to go as badly as possible. It’s pathetic, it really is.
I can’t stand Johnson, or the majority of his colleagues. I think he’s a shallow buffoon who is also phenomenally lazy.
But this is a completely unprecedented situation and the people managing this are attempting the impossible. There is no right answer. Don’t you get that? This is a horrible disease that is going to kill many people whatever is done. You offer criticism with NO solutions. You just think it’s shit because they’re Tories, or English.
Whatever they do will be wrong in your eyes.
The reality is that every country is struggling. France have an enormous public sector with huge funding. They are rationing PPE. They have high death figures. High numbers of deaths in care homes. And they have the same population as us spread out over a far larger area.
You say we’re not reporting all deaths quickly enough. Yet you compare us to Germany, who are only reporting deaths as being from the virus if it’s directly attributable - not a factor only, which is what we’re doing.
You’re comparing us to New Zealand. A country far more isolated than we are, with a population of only 5 million and a population density of 46 pm2. The UK is at 727 pm2. Do you have any idea of the difference that that makes? Probably not, because you don’t think.
There are many areas where improvement is desperately needed. But your sniping is tedious beyond belief.
Btw - I assume you’ll stick to your guns, and if either the Oxford University vaccine, or Imperial College vaccine work, you’ll refuse it because it’s been developed by the English? | | | |
| Deaths 41% higher on 00:39 - Apr 23 with 1476 views | longlostjack |
| Deaths 41% higher on 00:20 - Apr 23 by londonlisa2001 |
Grow up you tedious sod.
You are behaving like a small child.
If you can’t see the risks of online systems without checks and balances from medical professionals for registering deaths you are a complete moron. Comparing it to banking is farcical.
And stop misrepresenting what people are saying. You’re either doing it deliberately or you’re thick as shit. ‘That crazy woman’, and I assume you mean Dr Harries, pointed out that the UK was regarded as one of the top two countries in the world for pandemic preparedness. Which is a statement of fact. It’s not her fault if the government ran down stocks and training preparedness. She’s a doctor. Not a politician.
You have absolutely no idea whether we are poor, good, shocking or brilliant. No idea whatsoever. You don’t understand half of the information which you are posting about, you certainly don’t understand the statistics, or even basics like the fact that the ONS, whose figures you describe as proving the government is hiding stuff is the bloody government.
You are just desperate for this to go as badly as possible. It’s pathetic, it really is.
I can’t stand Johnson, or the majority of his colleagues. I think he’s a shallow buffoon who is also phenomenally lazy.
But this is a completely unprecedented situation and the people managing this are attempting the impossible. There is no right answer. Don’t you get that? This is a horrible disease that is going to kill many people whatever is done. You offer criticism with NO solutions. You just think it’s shit because they’re Tories, or English.
Whatever they do will be wrong in your eyes.
The reality is that every country is struggling. France have an enormous public sector with huge funding. They are rationing PPE. They have high death figures. High numbers of deaths in care homes. And they have the same population as us spread out over a far larger area.
You say we’re not reporting all deaths quickly enough. Yet you compare us to Germany, who are only reporting deaths as being from the virus if it’s directly attributable - not a factor only, which is what we’re doing.
You’re comparing us to New Zealand. A country far more isolated than we are, with a population of only 5 million and a population density of 46 pm2. The UK is at 727 pm2. Do you have any idea of the difference that that makes? Probably not, because you don’t think.
There are many areas where improvement is desperately needed. But your sniping is tedious beyond belief.
Btw - I assume you’ll stick to your guns, and if either the Oxford University vaccine, or Imperial College vaccine work, you’ll refuse it because it’s been developed by the English? |
That’s not quite true about Germany there. Deaths are not only recorded where Corona is directly attributable. Where the Corona virus is shown to be present it’s recorded as a Corona death even if the person has cancer for example. There is an issue regarding autopsies to determine cause of death. In certain federal states it’s not been a legal requirement and in others like Bavaria it’s been deemed unnecessary under the current circumstances to protect medical staff. |  |
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| Deaths 41% higher on 00:51 - Apr 23 with 1467 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Deaths 41% higher on 00:39 - Apr 23 by longlostjack |
That’s not quite true about Germany there. Deaths are not only recorded where Corona is directly attributable. Where the Corona virus is shown to be present it’s recorded as a Corona death even if the person has cancer for example. There is an issue regarding autopsies to determine cause of death. In certain federal states it’s not been a legal requirement and in others like Bavaria it’s been deemed unnecessary under the current circumstances to protect medical staff. |
You’re right - I over simplified.
My understanding is that someone with an existing condition (eg. Cancer) is reported as a death from that pre existing condition UNLESS a post mortem has proven the existence of Covid, and due to the lack of post mortem testing, the numbers are low.
The UK is reporting as a Covid death irrespective of post mortem not being carried out, if the doctor suspects it COULD have been present.
Edited to add:
Btw - I think Germany has done what seems to be a great job - my comment wasn’t denying that. As I said the other day, having a leader who’s a scientist certainly helps. [Post edited 23 Apr 2020 0:56]
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| Deaths 41% higher on 06:11 - Apr 23 with 1420 views | raynor94 |
| Deaths 41% higher on 00:20 - Apr 23 by londonlisa2001 |
Grow up you tedious sod.
You are behaving like a small child.
If you can’t see the risks of online systems without checks and balances from medical professionals for registering deaths you are a complete moron. Comparing it to banking is farcical.
And stop misrepresenting what people are saying. You’re either doing it deliberately or you’re thick as shit. ‘That crazy woman’, and I assume you mean Dr Harries, pointed out that the UK was regarded as one of the top two countries in the world for pandemic preparedness. Which is a statement of fact. It’s not her fault if the government ran down stocks and training preparedness. She’s a doctor. Not a politician.
You have absolutely no idea whether we are poor, good, shocking or brilliant. No idea whatsoever. You don’t understand half of the information which you are posting about, you certainly don’t understand the statistics, or even basics like the fact that the ONS, whose figures you describe as proving the government is hiding stuff is the bloody government.
You are just desperate for this to go as badly as possible. It’s pathetic, it really is.
I can’t stand Johnson, or the majority of his colleagues. I think he’s a shallow buffoon who is also phenomenally lazy.
But this is a completely unprecedented situation and the people managing this are attempting the impossible. There is no right answer. Don’t you get that? This is a horrible disease that is going to kill many people whatever is done. You offer criticism with NO solutions. You just think it’s shit because they’re Tories, or English.
Whatever they do will be wrong in your eyes.
The reality is that every country is struggling. France have an enormous public sector with huge funding. They are rationing PPE. They have high death figures. High numbers of deaths in care homes. And they have the same population as us spread out over a far larger area.
You say we’re not reporting all deaths quickly enough. Yet you compare us to Germany, who are only reporting deaths as being from the virus if it’s directly attributable - not a factor only, which is what we’re doing.
You’re comparing us to New Zealand. A country far more isolated than we are, with a population of only 5 million and a population density of 46 pm2. The UK is at 727 pm2. Do you have any idea of the difference that that makes? Probably not, because you don’t think.
There are many areas where improvement is desperately needed. But your sniping is tedious beyond belief.
Btw - I assume you’ll stick to your guns, and if either the Oxford University vaccine, or Imperial College vaccine work, you’ll refuse it because it’s been developed by the English? |
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| Deaths 41% higher on 07:08 - Apr 23 with 1400 views | Dr_Winston |
| Deaths 41% higher on 23:05 - Apr 22 by Kilkennyjack |
Feck off you boring w@nker ... |
You've been sussed Kilks. Lisa's got your number.
Never mind. Piers Morgan will be on to tell you what to think soon. | |
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| Deaths 41% higher on 07:30 - Apr 23 with 1382 views | Cooperman |
| Deaths 41% higher on 00:20 - Apr 23 by londonlisa2001 |
Grow up you tedious sod.
You are behaving like a small child.
If you can’t see the risks of online systems without checks and balances from medical professionals for registering deaths you are a complete moron. Comparing it to banking is farcical.
And stop misrepresenting what people are saying. You’re either doing it deliberately or you’re thick as shit. ‘That crazy woman’, and I assume you mean Dr Harries, pointed out that the UK was regarded as one of the top two countries in the world for pandemic preparedness. Which is a statement of fact. It’s not her fault if the government ran down stocks and training preparedness. She’s a doctor. Not a politician.
You have absolutely no idea whether we are poor, good, shocking or brilliant. No idea whatsoever. You don’t understand half of the information which you are posting about, you certainly don’t understand the statistics, or even basics like the fact that the ONS, whose figures you describe as proving the government is hiding stuff is the bloody government.
You are just desperate for this to go as badly as possible. It’s pathetic, it really is.
I can’t stand Johnson, or the majority of his colleagues. I think he’s a shallow buffoon who is also phenomenally lazy.
But this is a completely unprecedented situation and the people managing this are attempting the impossible. There is no right answer. Don’t you get that? This is a horrible disease that is going to kill many people whatever is done. You offer criticism with NO solutions. You just think it’s shit because they’re Tories, or English.
Whatever they do will be wrong in your eyes.
The reality is that every country is struggling. France have an enormous public sector with huge funding. They are rationing PPE. They have high death figures. High numbers of deaths in care homes. And they have the same population as us spread out over a far larger area.
You say we’re not reporting all deaths quickly enough. Yet you compare us to Germany, who are only reporting deaths as being from the virus if it’s directly attributable - not a factor only, which is what we’re doing.
You’re comparing us to New Zealand. A country far more isolated than we are, with a population of only 5 million and a population density of 46 pm2. The UK is at 727 pm2. Do you have any idea of the difference that that makes? Probably not, because you don’t think.
There are many areas where improvement is desperately needed. But your sniping is tedious beyond belief.
Btw - I assume you’ll stick to your guns, and if either the Oxford University vaccine, or Imperial College vaccine work, you’ll refuse it because it’s been developed by the English? |
I honestly don’t know how you muster the will to write these responses. They are truly wonderful to read on occasions and you must have the patience of a saint.
My usual behaviour is to skim read the posts and simply mutter “WTF” under my breath whilst slowly shaking my head from side to side. |  |
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| Deaths 41% higher on 07:52 - Apr 23 with 1359 views | Highjack |
| Deaths 41% higher on 23:10 - Apr 22 by Kilkennyjack |
Lisa - it could and should be done.
God knows how you view on-line banking ?
My God it can be done.
Carry on supporting that crazy woman who you thought was so good.
Laughable tbh - described the uk approach as an ‘international exemplar’.
Even Jeremy Hunt is saying the uk approach is poor compared to other nations.
Do you think about what you write ? |
You absolutely hero worshipped her through all 17000 pages of PikeyPaul’s excellent brexit thread. There was so much boot licking I was worried you’d go down with cherry blossom poisoning. |  |
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| Deaths 41% higher on 11:21 - Apr 23 with 1308 views | controversial_jack |
Has this turned into the Lisa appreciation society? Sickening! | | | |
| Deaths 41% higher on 11:35 - Apr 23 with 1294 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Deaths 41% higher on 07:30 - Apr 23 by Cooperman |
I honestly don’t know how you muster the will to write these responses. They are truly wonderful to read on occasions and you must have the patience of a saint.
My usual behaviour is to skim read the posts and simply mutter “WTF” under my breath whilst slowly shaking my head from side to side. |
Gives me something to do...
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| Deaths 41% higher on 11:41 - Apr 23 with 1291 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Deaths 41% higher on 07:52 - Apr 23 by Highjack |
You absolutely hero worshipped her through all 17000 pages of PikeyPaul’s excellent brexit thread. There was so much boot licking I was worried you’d go down with cherry blossom poisoning. |
How quickly things change...
To be honest though, that’s the bit I don’t get. This isn’t a party political thing, or a pro or anti brexit thing. It’s as if some who dislike the government (and I certainly do) feel they have to point out every mistake. There are all sorts of mistakes, in every country, from every shade of political party, because this is a nightmare for everyone. At the end, we can all look at what’s happened, everywhere, and judge whether those mistakes were due to bad judgment, bad science, or just couldn’t be helped and take appropriate action. At this point, slagging off everything the UK does because we don’t like Tories, seems ridiculous.
We’ve invested more into vaccine research over this than any other country according to reports, and today we’ve a vaccine started human trials, with another one about to start. That’s hugely positive. And yet I don’t see Kilkenny congratulating anyone for that.
Time enough for recriminations in a year or so. And slagging off the medics and scientists is insane. Just because they hold those positions under this government. | | | |
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