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Who will be watching? First one kicks off in 24 hours time.
The Democrats have pulled Joe back from his campaign trail recently to get him prepared, so hopefully it will be a decent exchange.
Unfortunately they don’t seem to have great confidence as they have spent the last month looking for any dirt they can dig up so Joe can use if he gets stuck.
It’s no coincidence that this vote influencing Facebook algorithm story is being shamelessly and inaccurately made into a race issue on the eve of the debates. So transparent and disingenuous, it’s a shame politics has come to this on this level where black people are being used in this way to score political points. I would be furious if I was them, but it does seem a lot of people are not falling for this one and calling it out for what it is.
People finally seem to be getting wise to this political race baiting which is refreshing to see.
It’s also telling that in the week of the debate they try and paint Trump as a tax evasion offender. I think that’s what they wanted the tax returns to show, they seem to have got annoyed when it turns out his tax returns were fine in accordance to what his companies profits were - but decided to run with it anyway. Any news is good news in their mind as it’s another thing Joe can use when in a tricky spot.
But I hope the discussions remain political and doesn’t turn into some form of gossip peddling reality TV episode.
Although I think there should be some kind of drinking game involved if it does turn that way, how many times Biden completely loses his thread of thought and blurts out “I mean, think about it...” you have to take a shot. 
I will be watching with great interest anyway.
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Oh and as a bonus post...
"The White House was warned by US intelligence agencies last year that Rudy Giuliani was targeted by Russia to feed misinformation to Donald Trump.
Reporting by The Washington Post, based on information from four former officials familiar with the matter, says that the president’s personal lawyer interacted with individuals tied to Russian intelligence during his December 2019 visit to Ukraine.
The warnings from the intelligence services to the White House led national security adviser Robert O’Brien to caution Mr Trump that information brought back from Ukraine by Mr Giuliani should be considered contaminated by Russia, according to one of the officials.
Mr Giuliani visited Ukraine to gather information that he thought would implicate Joe Biden and his son Hunter in corrupt acts.
The Post reports one of the sources as saying that message back to the White House was: “Do what you want to do, but your friend Rudy has been worked by Russian assets in Ukraine."" |
I think you mean pointless post not bonus post. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 02:41 - Oct 17 with 933 views | DJack |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 02:39 - Oct 17 by Dr_Parnassus |
I think you mean pointless post not bonus post. |
So you got nothing then.
Thanks for the acknowlegement. |  |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 02:59 - Oct 17 with 916 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 02:56 - Oct 17 by DJack |
Hunters issues with drugs in the past is well documented, with the emphasis on "in the past" - we have no idea how old the photo is, even if it is legit.
Conservatives are somehow expecting the rest of us to swallow that Hunter, who lives in California, dropped of three laptops in a local repair shop (and not an Apple shop) without giving the owner his details and then somehow forgets to collect them. Additionally there is, allegedly, an email which links Hunter and Joe to a debunked scandal. If this was Jared you'd be screaming SMEAR fom the rooftops.
And yet here you are promoting conservative disinformation/propaganda.
It's you smoking the crack pipe. |
Take your tin foil hat off for a second you lunatic. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 03:06 - Oct 17 with 914 views | DJack |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 02:59 - Oct 17 by Dr_Parnassus |
Take your tin foil hat off for a second you lunatic. |
If you cant see how bogus it sounds then there is no hope for you... and as for the tinfoil it is you pushing conspiracies. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 03:10 - Oct 17 with 909 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 03:06 - Oct 17 by DJack |
If you cant see how bogus it sounds then there is no hope for you... and as for the tinfoil it is you pushing conspiracies. |
It doesn’t sound bogus at all, the links are abundantly clear, hence why the Biden’s didn’t deny them for days.
There is far more to come too including a Hunter sex tape with prostitutes that was also on the laptops as well as more evidence of further corruption with Chinese and Ukrainian firms. But it’s probably a Russian robot painted to look like him...
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 03:13 - Oct 17 with 907 views | DJack |
Bonus time...
KYIV, Ukraine – Prosecutors say the heap of $6 million in crisp new bills, fastened in bundles with pink and yellow rubber bands, was supposed to bribe a Ukrainian anti-corruption investigator to drop an embezzlement case against the founder of the natural gas company Burisma.
a man standing on a table: Ukraine's Anti-Corruption Prosecutor Nazar Kholodnytsky, left, and National Anti-Corruption Bureau chief Artem Sytnik display piles of U.S. currency totaling $6 million. They say it was a bribe aimed at getting authoirites to drop an investigation against the founder of the natural gas company Buirsma. They say it was a bribe aimed at getting authoirites to drop an investigation against the founder of the natural gas company Buirsma.
To Ukrainians, the pile was eye-popping – and not just because it was so large. In this country, plagued for decades by corruption, such payments normally change hands quietly, without anyone finding out.
But here it was, seized by law enforcement officials and proudly displayed in transparent plastic bags by the director of the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine and the special anti-corruption prosecutor. Details of the case emerged Sunday in a Kyiv court.
Authorities said an anti-corruption bureau official was paid $6 million to drop the investigation against Burisma founder Mykola Zlochevsky, a former ecology and natural resources minister, in an elaborate sting operation Friday. Local media reported it took 12 hours to count the cash.
Special anti-corruption prosecutor Nazar Kholodnytsky ruled out involvement by Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden or his son, Hunter. Anti-corruption bureau director Artem Sytnyk implicated Zlochevsky, another former Burisma employee and two former tax officials.
Zlochevsky is accused of embezzling loan funds from the National Bank of Ukraine issued to Real Bank in 2013. Hunter Biden joined the Burisma board in 2014 and left in 2018.
The company was at the heart of the impeachment proceedings this year against President Trump. Trump pressured Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky last year to launch an investigation into the Bidens based on Hunter’s involvement with the company.
Burisma remains at the center of efforts led by Trump attorney Rudolph Giuliani to dig up dirt in Ukraine on Joe Biden to help Trump’s reelection campaign. Giuliani has pushed claims that as vice president, Biden pressured then-Ukraine president Petro Poroshenko to sack Ukrainian prosecutor general Viktor Shokin in return for $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees. Trump’s allies claim Biden wanted to prevent investigations that might implicate his son in wrongdoing.
At the time, however, Biden was open about pressing for Shokin’s removal as part of a campaign by the United States, European Union and international financial institutions, who viewed the prosecutor as ineffective in the fight against corruption.
Former Ukraine prosecutor general Ruslan Ryaboshapka audited the many outstanding case files looking into Burisma and said he found no evidence of wrongdoing by the Bidens.
Burisma denied involvement in the new bribery allegations.
“The Burisma Group company and its management have nothing to do with the report of the Specialized Anti-Corruption Prosecutor’s Office and some media outlets about participating in illegal actions,” the company said in a statement Saturday. “The company is operating exclusively within the framework of the current legislation, and it is one of the largest taxpayers and defends the interests of energy independence of Ukraine.”
Details of the alleged bribe emerged in court Sunday. Mykola Ilyashenko, first deputy head of Kyiv’s tax office, Andrii Kicha, a former legal adviser to Burisma and a former member of Ukraine’s taxation service, and Olena Mazurenko, another former tax official, have been detained under suspicion.
Prosecutors alleged that Ilyashenko handed three travel bags laden with $5 million in $100 bills to anti-corruption bureau agent Yevgeny Shevchenko in a parking lot under the Kyiv tax headquarters. Another $1 million was paid as a “commission to an intermediary.”
Authorities said the $6 million was a record amount for a bribe seized in Ukraine. The cash is now to be transferred to the Ukraine state treasury.
Ending the probe was to be a birthday gift for Zlochevsky, who turned 54 on Sunday, officials said. It would have allowed him to return to Ukraine without risking arrest.
Sytnyk said Zlochevksy, who is abroad, was also under suspicion.
Prosecutors said the detained suspects agreed to the alleged bribe at a meeting Wednesday. They said Shevchenko met with Ilyashenko, Kicha and Mazurenko on Friday for the handover.
Ilyashenko carried three large travel bags stuffed with cash, prosecutors alleged.
Kholodnytsky ruled out involvement by the Bidens.
“Let’s put an end to this once and for all,” he said. “Biden Jr. and Biden Sr. do not appear in this particular proceeding,” he said. Sytnyk said the case had no political subtext.
Some anti-corruption activists saw the arrests as a hopeful sign that Ukraine’s culture of corruption is finally changing.
“I think it’s a big deal, but obviously it’s only the tip of the iceberg,” said Daria Kaleniuk, director of the Anti-Corruption Action Center. “It’s the biggest bribe caught in an attempt to bribe a senior official.
“The usual case in Ukraine, prosecutors are like at a supermarket. There is a price to close cases and there is a price to open them again. This was a landmark.” | |
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Bonus time...
KYIV, Ukraine – Prosecutors say the heap of $6 million in crisp new bills, fastened in bundles with pink and yellow rubber bands, was supposed to bribe a Ukrainian anti-corruption investigator to drop an embezzlement case against the founder of the natural gas company Burisma.
a man standing on a table: Ukraine's Anti-Corruption Prosecutor Nazar Kholodnytsky, left, and National Anti-Corruption Bureau chief Artem Sytnik display piles of U.S. currency totaling $6 million. They say it was a bribe aimed at getting authoirites to drop an investigation against the founder of the natural gas company Buirsma. They say it was a bribe aimed at getting authoirites to drop an investigation against the founder of the natural gas company Buirsma.
To Ukrainians, the pile was eye-popping – and not just because it was so large. In this country, plagued for decades by corruption, such payments normally change hands quietly, without anyone finding out.
But here it was, seized by law enforcement officials and proudly displayed in transparent plastic bags by the director of the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine and the special anti-corruption prosecutor. Details of the case emerged Sunday in a Kyiv court.
Authorities said an anti-corruption bureau official was paid $6 million to drop the investigation against Burisma founder Mykola Zlochevsky, a former ecology and natural resources minister, in an elaborate sting operation Friday. Local media reported it took 12 hours to count the cash.
Special anti-corruption prosecutor Nazar Kholodnytsky ruled out involvement by Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden or his son, Hunter. Anti-corruption bureau director Artem Sytnyk implicated Zlochevsky, another former Burisma employee and two former tax officials.
Zlochevsky is accused of embezzling loan funds from the National Bank of Ukraine issued to Real Bank in 2013. Hunter Biden joined the Burisma board in 2014 and left in 2018.
The company was at the heart of the impeachment proceedings this year against President Trump. Trump pressured Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky last year to launch an investigation into the Bidens based on Hunter’s involvement with the company.
Burisma remains at the center of efforts led by Trump attorney Rudolph Giuliani to dig up dirt in Ukraine on Joe Biden to help Trump’s reelection campaign. Giuliani has pushed claims that as vice president, Biden pressured then-Ukraine president Petro Poroshenko to sack Ukrainian prosecutor general Viktor Shokin in return for $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees. Trump’s allies claim Biden wanted to prevent investigations that might implicate his son in wrongdoing.
At the time, however, Biden was open about pressing for Shokin’s removal as part of a campaign by the United States, European Union and international financial institutions, who viewed the prosecutor as ineffective in the fight against corruption.
Former Ukraine prosecutor general Ruslan Ryaboshapka audited the many outstanding case files looking into Burisma and said he found no evidence of wrongdoing by the Bidens.
Burisma denied involvement in the new bribery allegations.
“The Burisma Group company and its management have nothing to do with the report of the Specialized Anti-Corruption Prosecutor’s Office and some media outlets about participating in illegal actions,” the company said in a statement Saturday. “The company is operating exclusively within the framework of the current legislation, and it is one of the largest taxpayers and defends the interests of energy independence of Ukraine.”
Details of the alleged bribe emerged in court Sunday. Mykola Ilyashenko, first deputy head of Kyiv’s tax office, Andrii Kicha, a former legal adviser to Burisma and a former member of Ukraine’s taxation service, and Olena Mazurenko, another former tax official, have been detained under suspicion.
Prosecutors alleged that Ilyashenko handed three travel bags laden with $5 million in $100 bills to anti-corruption bureau agent Yevgeny Shevchenko in a parking lot under the Kyiv tax headquarters. Another $1 million was paid as a “commission to an intermediary.”
Authorities said the $6 million was a record amount for a bribe seized in Ukraine. The cash is now to be transferred to the Ukraine state treasury.
Ending the probe was to be a birthday gift for Zlochevsky, who turned 54 on Sunday, officials said. It would have allowed him to return to Ukraine without risking arrest.
Sytnyk said Zlochevksy, who is abroad, was also under suspicion.
Prosecutors said the detained suspects agreed to the alleged bribe at a meeting Wednesday. They said Shevchenko met with Ilyashenko, Kicha and Mazurenko on Friday for the handover.
Ilyashenko carried three large travel bags stuffed with cash, prosecutors alleged.
Kholodnytsky ruled out involvement by the Bidens.
“Let’s put an end to this once and for all,” he said. “Biden Jr. and Biden Sr. do not appear in this particular proceeding,” he said. Sytnyk said the case had no political subtext.
Some anti-corruption activists saw the arrests as a hopeful sign that Ukraine’s culture of corruption is finally changing.
“I think it’s a big deal, but obviously it’s only the tip of the iceberg,” said Daria Kaleniuk, director of the Anti-Corruption Action Center. “It’s the biggest bribe caught in an attempt to bribe a senior official.
“The usual case in Ukraine, prosecutors are like at a supermarket. There is a price to close cases and there is a price to open them again. This was a landmark.” |
Again, you mean nonsense not bonus.
Dated 14th June 2020.
Something tells me it’s safe to say they will now be part of this investigation into a clear case of corruption.
Let’s remember this time yesterday you were insisting the emails were “hacked” and lambasting laptop repair shop protocol... now it’s all a Russian hoax.
Maybe aliens did it? [Post edited 17 Oct 2020 3:21]
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 03:25 - Oct 17 with 896 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 03:23 - Oct 17 by DJack |
"On December 9, 2019, he was issued a subpoena demanding he turn over the laptop and hard drive to a federal grand jury in Wilmington, according to a photo of a copy of the subpoena published by the Post and confirmed by MacIsaac."
...and yet no action from the Feds/grand jury, I wonder why. #nothingburger. |
You wonder why? Really?
You really don’t understand the history between the FBI and the administration do you?
Would you like me to explain? I’d be happy to. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 03:27 - Oct 17 with 894 views | DJack |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 03:25 - Oct 17 by Dr_Parnassus |
You wonder why? Really?
You really don’t understand the history between the FBI and the administration do you?
Would you like me to explain? I’d be happy to. |
Go on then I would like a laugh.
BTW are you still using TOR to view/post? | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 03:32 - Oct 17 with 893 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 03:27 - Oct 17 by DJack |
Go on then I would like a laugh.
BTW are you still using TOR to view/post? |
Why do you post things that you don’t understand then? Ask first then if you feel your post then makes sense, post it. It would save us all a bit of time.
The FBI has a long history of Democratic collusion including the recent declassified documents showing that they colluded with Clinton in order to push the Russia disinformation.
And you wonder why they kept the Biden hard drive quiet... | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 03:34 - Oct 17 with 890 views | DJack |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 03:32 - Oct 17 by Dr_Parnassus |
Why do you post things that you don’t understand then? Ask first then if you feel your post then makes sense, post it. It would save us all a bit of time.
The FBI has a long history of Democratic collusion including the recent declassified documents showing that they colluded with Clinton in order to push the Russia disinformation.
And you wonder why they kept the Biden hard drive quiet... |
That's your big reveal, wow, more nothing burger.
And TOR? | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 03:39 - Oct 17 with 888 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 03:34 - Oct 17 by DJack |
That's your big reveal, wow, more nothing burger.
And TOR? |
Big reveal? I am explaining basic things to you that you seem blissfully unaware of.
What’s TOR? | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 03:43 - Oct 17 with 885 views | DJack |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 03:39 - Oct 17 by Dr_Parnassus |
Big reveal? I am explaining basic things to you that you seem blissfully unaware of.
What’s TOR? |
No you are pushing conservative disinformation again.
TOR, I'm fairly certain that as one of your previous usernames you stated used it to get round identifying where you post from. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 03:45 - Oct 17 with 883 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 03:43 - Oct 17 by DJack |
No you are pushing conservative disinformation again.
TOR, I'm fairly certain that as one of your previous usernames you stated used it to get round identifying where you post from. |
Nope, it seems disinformation is your latest buzzword that describes inconvenient truths.
Stop digging.
You will have to elaborate, I have no idea what you are talking about or what you are relating it to. But not for the first time a troll decided to take something off topic when floundering.
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 03:47 - Oct 17 with 880 views | DJack |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 03:45 - Oct 17 by Dr_Parnassus |
Nope, it seems disinformation is your latest buzzword that describes inconvenient truths.
Stop digging.
You will have to elaborate, I have no idea what you are talking about or what you are relating it to. But not for the first time a troll decided to take something off topic when floundering.
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Flondering!
Hahahahaha!
All you've done is post propaganda and no evidence.
You're a busted flush. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 03:48 - Oct 17 with 880 views | Dr_Parnassus |
I wonder why 🤔 | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 03:49 - Oct 17 with 879 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 03:47 - Oct 17 by DJack |
Flondering!
Hahahahaha!
All you've done is post propaganda and no evidence.
You're a busted flush. |
No, floundering.
The evidence is there for the world to see. Your best comeback is that “it’s all a Russian hoax”... even though yesterday claiming they were hacked.
The end is nigh! The sky is falling! | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 09:35 - Oct 17 with 830 views | Kilkennyjack |
Another disaster for Trump.
Its over. The end. |  |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 10:05 - Oct 17 with 819 views | Dr_Parnassus |
Talking of disasters.... oh no...
Clearly a reason why they have not denied their authenticity.
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 10:11 - Oct 17 with 814 views | Dr_Parnassus |
The markets are panicking.
$1.41 to $1.59 and drifting.
Now almost a 50% swing since the story broke, more to come too. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 13:37 - Oct 17 with 773 views | DJack |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 03:32 - Oct 17 by Dr_Parnassus |
Why do you post things that you don’t understand then? Ask first then if you feel your post then makes sense, post it. It would save us all a bit of time.
The FBI has a long history of Democratic collusion including the recent declassified documents showing that they colluded with Clinton in order to push the Russia disinformation.
And you wonder why they kept the Biden hard drive quiet... |
So the FBI are quashing it... So why was there a subpoena to hand the laptop to a federal grand jury.
#nothingburger. | |
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