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Ok.Working class roll call on 22:47 - Apr 20 with 545 views

Ok.Working class roll call on 22:45 - Apr 20 by Professor
Not for me. I would think of service jobs. Catering, hospitality, shop workers, cleaners, warehouse workers, food production etc. as the larger part of ‘working class’ now.

"When you go to work in the morning, if your name is on the front of the building, you're upper class; if your name is on your desk, you're middle class; and if your name is on your shirt, you're working class"

"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."

Ok.Working class roll call on 22:50 - Apr 20 with 544 views

Lohengrin

Ok.Working class roll call on 22:45 - Apr 20 by Professor
Not for me. I would think of service jobs. Catering, hospitality, shop workers, cleaners, warehouse workers, food production etc. as the larger part of ‘working class’ now.

That reads rather like a loose assembly of the low paid, Prof.

An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.

Ok.Working class roll call on 22:52 - Apr 20 with 543 views

Lohengrin

Ok.Working class roll call on 22:47 - Apr 20 by Boundy
"When you go to work in the morning, if your name is on the front of the building, you're upper class; if your name is on your desk, you're middle class; and if your name is on your shirt, you're working class"

That’s Rich Hall, isn’t it?

An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.

Ok.Working class roll call on 23:07 - Apr 20 with 529 views

Ok.Working class roll call on 22:52 - Apr 20 by Lohengrin
That’s Rich Hall, isn’t it?

Yes indeed it is, hence the italics .
I certainly don't consider myself anything but working class ,perhaps others might not but my attitude to life has been that to earn money you have to work , you want to better yourself then work harder. to me there is another sub class beneath the working class, those who choose not to work but rely on the state and are quite happy to pick up what ever they can in terms of benefits or small time pilfering. I've voted labour for most of my life and UKIP recently but admit to understanding the concept of conservatism but never voted for them , perhaps my parents attitudes still have subliminal influence on me.

"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."

Ok.Working class roll call on 23:14 - Apr 20 with 514 views

Kilkennyjack

Ok.Working class roll call on 22:37 - Apr 20 by raynor94
But, he's right though, have you ever worked for a living?

No idea why you would ask me that .... and not other posters ?

I could tell you ....i never ever worked..... or .... i could tell you i am Terry Matthews right hand man ? Means nothing as i could post any reply.

I am more interested why you feel it’s appropriate to ask me that ?
Its not appropriate btw.

I don't care what you do, or don't do for a living.
You could tell me any old bollox. Exactly the same.

So i try to focus on the post rather than the poster.
You should try it.
It will help you.

Beware of the Risen People

Ok.Working class roll call on 23:19 - Apr 20 with 512 views

DJack

Ok.Working class roll call on 21:30 - Apr 20 by Kilkennyjack
Never ever Tory. Thatcher was too much, now the useless Brexidiot Johnson. Always Labour until 2015, when Jezza took over. .... Plaid since then.

Fair one.

It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan

Ok.Working class roll call on 23:21 - Apr 20 with 508 views

Kilkennyjack

Ok.Working class roll call on 23:07 - Apr 20 by Boundy

UKIPer .... you are just playing with us now. ðŸ˜‚ðŸ˜‚
Stop it mun.

So ...,you are a Nigel Farage fan boy ?
Or is it that Ann Widdecombe who has lured you in ... ?
Or Aaron Banks and Julia Hateful-Spewer...?

Did you like the air raid sirens that welcomed your boy Nigel on stage ?
He was far too young for the war, but likes to pretend.

Did you party like its 1974 ?
Poor dab.

Its hard to separate the post and the poster on this one.

[Post edited 20 Apr 2021 23:23]

Beware of the Risen People

Ok.Working class roll call on 23:30 - Apr 20 with 497 views

Ok.Working class roll call on 23:21 - Apr 20 by Kilkennyjack

[Post edited 20 Apr 2021 23:23]

Thank you for your input , You really should try harder at being interesting (I'll let you into secret, you're not ).

"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."

Ok.Working class roll call on 23:51 - Apr 20 with 486 views

raynor94

Ok.Working class roll call on 23:14 - Apr 20 by Kilkennyjack

Yet, you seem quite adept at asking other posters questions, and trying to humiliate people.

And as for what I do or did, I replied to a post from Loh about Steelworkers on here, and you used that against me constantly.

If you give it out take it back.

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Ok.Working class roll call on 06:46 - Apr 21 with 439 views

Professor

Ok.Working class roll call on 22:50 - Apr 20 by Lohengrin
That reads rather like a loose assembly of the low paid, Prof.

Yes. Relatively low skilled and poorly paid. Insufficient to maintain a family. ‘McJobs’ as they have been coined. More ‘industrial’ jobs- like Airbus or Vauxhall near me are increasingly skilled and better paid. The heavy industries of my childhood have largely gone. Old fashioned labouring is perhaps the last of these.

Ok.Working class roll call on 06:52 - Apr 21 with 437 views

Dr_Parnassus

Class is transient and completely interchangeable.

Anyone can make something of themselves if they work hard enough.

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Ok.Working class roll call on 08:01 - Apr 21 with 416 views

Professor

Ok.Working class roll call on 06:52 - Apr 21 by Dr_Parnassus
Class is transient and completely interchangeable. Anyone can make something of themselves if they work hard enough.

To a large extent that’s true. But in the U.K. there are certainly barriers and gatekeepers that can make that passage harder or easier. I’ve reached the ceiling in my job-I don’t want to move to management. Has my background and schooling been an impediment-yes, but far from insurmountable. But have sat on enough internal and external panels to know there is still huge and often conscious bias. We (South Wales) don’t game the system very well. Our image is poor.

Ok.Working class roll call on 08:19 - Apr 21 with 410 views

Kilkennyjack

Ok.Working class roll call on 23:51 - Apr 20 by raynor94
Yet, you seem quite adept at asking other posters questions, and trying to humiliate people. And as for what I do or did, I replied to a post from Loh about Steelworkers on here, and you used that against me constantly. If you give it out take it back.

I dont care if you are an astronaut, or a shepherd.
I hope that helps.

But when you post drivel then i will call it out.
Its sort of what a message board is for.

Beware of the Risen People

Ok.Working class roll call on 08:30 - Apr 21 with 403 views

Ok.Working class roll call on 08:19 - Apr 21 by Kilkennyjack
I dont care if you are an astronaut, or a shepherd. I hope that helps. But when you post drivel then i will call it out. Its sort of what a message board is for.

You'll miss your bus

"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."

Ok.Working class roll call on 08:35 - Apr 21 with 403 views

Thanks for the replies.Some interesting ones.
So it seems it' all about low wage.
I cannot see that.
Take the example of footballers from lowly/deprived/poor,single parent backgrounds who make it big in football and earn tens of millions of pounds per annum. They choose to live in "middle class" areas and reside on homes that were often built for mill owners,shipping magnets,Judges, Industry mega bosses and financial wizards,who often paid their employees the low wages the very working classes are paid.

Many from middle class homes hit the dope and end up in a "working class" area.

It is profoundly insulting to stereotype ,brand and catagorise people into any group.

I would urge people not to be graded by society/government in this way.

Thanks

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Ok.Working class roll call on 09:51 - Apr 21 with 386 views

raynor94

Ok.Working class roll call on 08:19 - Apr 21 by Kilkennyjack
I dont care if you are an astronaut, or a shepherd. I hope that helps. But when you post drivel then i will call it out. Its sort of what a message board is for.

I've told you many times on here, you are the King of Irony, and your infantile jibes to posters on here, tells people all they need to know about you.

	You give it out, you take it back it`s all part of the game
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Ok.Working class roll call on 09:58 - Apr 21 with 377 views

Ok.Working class roll call on 22:37 - Apr 20 by Lohengrin
How so?

If you own your own home, and i'm assuming by promotion it means a supervisory role then it lifts you into lower middle class.

The biggest determiner of social class is occupation.It's all subjective of course!

Ok.Working class roll call on 09:58 - Apr 21 with 378 views

Ok.Working class roll call on 08:19 - Apr 21 by Kilkennyjack
I dont care if you are an astronaut, or a shepherd. I hope that helps. But when you post drivel then i will call it out. Its sort of what a message board is for.

Look in the mirror killy

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Ok.Working class roll call on 10:01 - Apr 21 with 375 views

Ok.Working class roll call on 09:51 - Apr 21 by raynor94
I've told you many times on here, you are the King of Irony, and your infantile jibes to posters on here, tells people all they need to know about you.

The real irony here is you calling others out for this.You are the master of quips and ankle biting.

Ok.Working class roll call on 10:03 - Apr 21 with 376 views

Ok.Working class roll call on 10:01 - Apr 21 by controversial_jack
The real irony here is you calling others out for this.You are the master of quips and ankle biting.

No he is not.You are. You have posted abject filth.

Ray and I disagree but have agreed to be civil to each other.

He is the mildest of posters whereas you get off on posting matters surreal and not in a a good way.

Ray's view are harmless,yours are sinister.

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Ok.Working class roll call on 10:10 - Apr 21 with 369 views

Ok.Working class roll call on 10:03 - Apr 21 by onehunglow
No he is not.You are. You have posted abject filth. Ray and I disagree but have agreed to be civil to each other. He is the mildest of posters whereas you get off on posting matters surreal and not in a a good way. Ray's view are harmless,yours are sinister.

Show me where i have posted filth or anything that can cause offence, alarm or distress to others.

I have my views, which are often different to other posters, but we are all adults on here, surely?

Ray has often taken digs at me for no reason at all.

Ok.Working class roll call on 10:57 - Apr 21 with 361 views

Ok.Working class roll call on 09:58 - Apr 21 by controversial_jack
If you own your own home, and i'm assuming by promotion it means a supervisory role then it lifts you into lower middle class. The biggest determiner of social class is occupation.It's all subjective of course!

I bought my council house (I eagerly await the brickbats ) not because I wanted to step up the ladder of class hood but it made financial sense to do so . My job pays well but that's reward for the training and the responsibilities I have. I still live on a predominantly council estate but I consider my self working class so pick the bones out of that one .

"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."

Ok.Working class roll call on 11:00 - Apr 21 with 359 views

Ok.Working class roll call on 10:57 - Apr 21 by Boundy
I bought my council house (I eagerly await the brickbats ) not because I wanted to step up the ladder of class hood but it made financial sense to do so . My job pays well but that's reward for the training and the responsibilities I have. I still live on a predominantly council estate but I consider my self working class so pick the bones out of that one .

It is all about self consideration and I get that,which is why I have problems with labour politicians from privileged backgrounds purporting to be working class champions.

What is worse is people being referred to ordinary

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Ok.Working class roll call on 11:24 - Apr 21 with 352 views

Ok.Working class roll call on 10:57 - Apr 21 by Boundy
I bought my council house (I eagerly await the brickbats ) not because I wanted to step up the ladder of class hood but it made financial sense to do so . My job pays well but that's reward for the training and the responsibilities I have. I still live on a predominantly council estate but I consider my self working class so pick the bones out of that one .

Doing all that training and getting a better well paid job, owning your own property, puts you up the ladder a bit. What you want to think you are is irrelevant.Many are proud of their working class roots, and that's fine, but as someone posted earlier, social stratification - class is an inappropriate term, is transient, and we can move up or down the ladder. There is no definitive classification as nobody fits perfectly into any slot, but there are classification tables which will put people roughly into strata.

Ok.Working class roll call on 11:34 - Apr 21 with 347 views