| Welsh independence being talked about 20:51 - May 1 with 3916 views | trampie |
The Guardian (@guardian) Tweeted: Plaid Cymru has a mountain to climb, but Welsh independence is no pipe dream | Simon Jenkins https://t.co/fHhN9FxNVe
I'm surprised at what seems a large amount of comments about the article. |  |
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| Welsh independence being talked about on 08:53 - May 3 with 783 views | Slugster664 |
| Welsh independence being talked about on 01:28 - May 3 by Kilkennyjack |
Wales is too small to be successful ... but hang on ..
Its too hard, nobody could manage without Westminster... but hang on ...
This should be interesting..... |
The people of all those countries live like peasants mun, possible exception Monaco and Iceland...you're happy to live like that? Mind you, Ireland is like that so you probably would be happy.
But you still haven't answered my basic, yet very important(as far as independence is concerned)questions.
Again, I'll wait...  |  |
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| Welsh independence being talked about on 09:02 - May 3 with 774 views | blaenaugwentjack |
| Welsh independence being talked about on 22:31 - May 1 by Whiterockin |
I really can't understand how people listen to a minority and really think it is going to happen. |
They used to say that about the snp. |  | | |
| Welsh independence being talked about on 09:05 - May 3 with 774 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Welsh independence being talked about on 08:53 - May 3 by Slugster664 |
The people of all those countries live like peasants mun, possible exception Monaco and Iceland...you're happy to live like that? Mind you, Ireland is like that so you probably would be happy.
But you still haven't answered my basic, yet very important(as far as independence is concerned)questions.
Again, I'll wait... |
Monaco is a one off as a tax haven that invites millionaires to live there and spend their money to support a very small native population. Iceland was a country that officially went bankrupt during the financial scandal and defaulted on all it's international debts.
As you say we are still waiting for a Welsh independence supporter to explain how Wales will raise all the missing revenues from Westminster. | |
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| Welsh independence being talked about on 09:06 - May 3 with 774 views | blaenaugwentjack |
| Welsh independence being talked about on 10:58 - May 2 by raynor94 |
I think you will be in for shock if there is a vote for Scottish independence again, there are no indications whatsoever that Welsh people want independence as you well know.
Wait till next week when the results are revealed. |
Yes Cymru membership was 2,500 last year now it stands at 18,500. | | | |
| Welsh independence being talked about on 09:14 - May 3 with 769 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Welsh independence being talked about on 09:06 - May 3 by blaenaugwentjack |
Yes Cymru membership was 2,500 last year now it stands at 18,500. |
18,500 out of a population of 3,150,000 that is .5% of the population. | |
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| Welsh independence being talked about on 09:18 - May 3 with 763 views | blaenaugwentjack |
| Welsh independence being talked about on 08:30 - May 3 by felixstowe_jack |
Nearly all of those countries are poorer than the UK and most have had to join the EU and give up their sovereignty to receive handouts form the EU. Not one of those countries listed is a net contributor to the EU.
The choice for Wales is clear remain part of a wealthy UK with 5% on MPs in Westminster or leave the UK and join the EU to receive handouts from the undemocratic EU with less than 1% voting rights in the EU's puppet Parliament.
That is why only 14% of the Welsh people want independence |
Uk national debt is 85.4% as in 2019 or £2.1 trillion, saying that most countries run at a loss, the USA debt IS $21 trillion not including intergovenrmental debt. | | | |
| Welsh independence being talked about on 09:22 - May 3 with 761 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Welsh independence being talked about on 09:18 - May 3 by blaenaugwentjack |
Uk national debt is 85.4% as in 2019 or £2.1 trillion, saying that most countries run at a loss, the USA debt IS $21 trillion not including intergovenrmental debt. |
And your point is?
How would Wales finance it's share of the UK national debt, the loss of the annual £9 billion subsidy from the UK government. | |
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| Welsh independence being talked about on 09:26 - May 3 with 759 views | blaenaugwentjack |
| Welsh independence being talked about on 09:14 - May 3 by felixstowe_jack |
18,500 out of a population of 3,150,000 that is .5% of the population. |
Correct sir, but the recent success of Yes Cymru is quite remarkable. | | | |
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| Welsh independence being talked about on 09:36 - May 3 with 757 views | johnlangy |
| Welsh independence being talked about on 18:13 - May 2 by raynor94 |
You can't be serious mentioning those 3 parties(sic) roll on next week, and put this silliness to bed |
Raynor - I mentioned it because he said PC are the only party who want Independence. That's all. Just stating facts. | | | |
| Welsh independence being talked about on 11:35 - May 3 with 727 views | blaenaugwentjack |
| Welsh independence being talked about on 09:22 - May 3 by felixstowe_jack |
And your point is?
How would Wales finance it's share of the UK national debt, the loss of the annual £9 billion subsidy from the UK government. |
The point is, the usual Wales does not have enough money to be independent is nonsense, why would Wales pick up the share of the uk debt? Did the uk pick up a share of the 27 eu countries debt when it left the eu? Take out our share for paying towards trident, houses of parlaiment refurb, Buckingham Palace refurb, Hs2, cross rail. Hs2 £106bn, Buckingham palace £396 bn, Cross rail £218bn, Trident £2 billion per year. | | | |
| Welsh independence being talked about on 11:50 - May 3 with 715 views | raynor94 |
| Welsh independence being talked about on 09:06 - May 3 by blaenaugwentjack |
Yes Cymru membership was 2,500 last year now it stands at 18,500. |
Aren't you embarrassed to post that? Come back in 50 years, although I won't be around to read it  |  |
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| Welsh independence being talked about on 11:56 - May 3 with 712 views | blaenaugwentjack |
| Welsh independence being talked about on 11:50 - May 3 by raynor94 |
Aren't you embarrassed to post that? Come back in 50 years, although I won't be around to read it |
Why would i be embarrassed? | | | |
| Welsh independence being talked about on 12:01 - May 3 with 709 views | raynor94 |
| Welsh independence being talked about on 11:56 - May 3 by blaenaugwentjack |
Why would i be embarrassed? |
18.500. We nearly have that many st holders | |
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| Welsh independence being talked about on 12:08 - May 3 with 703 views | Gwyn737 |
| Welsh independence being talked about on 11:35 - May 3 by blaenaugwentjack |
The point is, the usual Wales does not have enough money to be independent is nonsense, why would Wales pick up the share of the uk debt? Did the uk pick up a share of the 27 eu countries debt when it left the eu? Take out our share for paying towards trident, houses of parlaiment refurb, Buckingham Palace refurb, Hs2, cross rail. Hs2 £106bn, Buckingham palace £396 bn, Cross rail £218bn, Trident £2 billion per year. |
I’ve never understood this argument. Wales is a net beneficiary of the UK with more money coming in than going out. If that remains, it doesn’t matter in Wales economic terms if Westminster spends a fortune on a folly.
Wales’ funding remains. | | | |
| Welsh independence being talked about on 12:09 - May 3 with 703 views | RonaldStump |
NO to independence !!
3 men and their dogs have got no chance | |
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| Welsh independence being talked about on 12:21 - May 3 with 690 views | onehunglow |
Is hatred of England the prerequisite for a Indy. Seems so on here anyway.
No logic at all simply pure contempt.
A country cannot live on bitterness anymore it can on water | |
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| Welsh independence being talked about on 13:03 - May 3 with 674 views | builthjack |
I don't think many hate England at all. Sport there is banter yes.
But hate ? No.
Some on here seem to always stir it up, usually if they have lived in England for years.
I have been accused by one of hating England, but when I have asked that person to show me a single quote on this forum showing that I have said it, there is nothing back.
I have English friends, neighbour's, work colleagues. Do I treat them any differently ? Hell no.
Why do people want independence? Because they love Wales. Nothing wrong with that.
I think it will happen, and it will take something to make it happen. 20 years maybe, who knows. |  |
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| Welsh independence being talked about on 14:16 - May 3 with 656 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Welsh independence being talked about on 11:35 - May 3 by blaenaugwentjack |
The point is, the usual Wales does not have enough money to be independent is nonsense, why would Wales pick up the share of the uk debt? Did the uk pick up a share of the 27 eu countries debt when it left the eu? Take out our share for paying towards trident, houses of parlaiment refurb, Buckingham Palace refurb, Hs2, cross rail. Hs2 £106bn, Buckingham palace £396 bn, Cross rail £218bn, Trident £2 billion per year. |
Yes the UK did as part of the withdrawal agreement with the EU.
Wales would have to agree a withdrawal agreement with the UK to leave as well as sorting a trade deal, pension liabilities, reciprocal health care arrangements, defence agreement, rights of each others citizens residing the UK and Wales.
As part of the UK Wales is responsible for it's share of the UK debt, pretty standard international law.
Of course 50% of the Welsh public would have to vote for independence first which given current support for PC is only 20% seems unlikely in the next 20 years. | |
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| Welsh independence being talked about on 14:17 - May 3 with 656 views | johnlangy |
| Welsh independence being talked about on 13:03 - May 3 by builthjack |
I don't think many hate England at all. Sport there is banter yes.
But hate ? No.
Some on here seem to always stir it up, usually if they have lived in England for years.
I have been accused by one of hating England, but when I have asked that person to show me a single quote on this forum showing that I have said it, there is nothing back.
I have English friends, neighbour's, work colleagues. Do I treat them any differently ? Hell no.
Why do people want independence? Because they love Wales. Nothing wrong with that.
I think it will happen, and it will take something to make it happen. 20 years maybe, who knows. |
Very well said builthy. | | | |
| Welsh independence being talked about on 14:19 - May 3 with 655 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Welsh independence being talked about on 14:17 - May 3 by johnlangy |
Very well said builthy. |
The other 80% of Welsh people who do not want independence also love Wales. | |
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| Welsh independence being talked about on 16:04 - May 3 with 627 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Welsh independence being talked about on 13:03 - May 3 by builthjack |
I don't think many hate England at all. Sport there is banter yes.
But hate ? No.
Some on here seem to always stir it up, usually if they have lived in England for years.
I have been accused by one of hating England, but when I have asked that person to show me a single quote on this forum showing that I have said it, there is nothing back.
I have English friends, neighbour's, work colleagues. Do I treat them any differently ? Hell no.
Why do people want independence? Because they love Wales. Nothing wrong with that.
I think it will happen, and it will take something to make it happen. 20 years maybe, who knows. |
Well said Builthy ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ·ó ¬ó ³ó ¿â¤ï¸ |  |
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| Welsh independence being talked about on 16:12 - May 3 with 620 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Welsh independence being talked about on 14:19 - May 3 by felixstowe_jack |
The other 80% of Welsh people who do not want independence also love Wales. |
Its not about today, its about tomorrow.
The trend is clear.
Cymru is on its way to Indy, no if’s and no but’s ..
ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ·ó ¬ó ³ó ¿ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ·ó ¬ó ³ó ¿ðŸ‡ªðŸ‡ºðŸ‡ªðŸ‡º | |
| Beware of the Risen People
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| Welsh independence being talked about on 16:15 - May 3 with 618 views | raynor94 |
| Welsh independence being talked about on 16:12 - May 3 by Kilkennyjack |
Its not about today, its about tomorrow.
The trend is clear.
Cymru is on its way to Indy, no if’s and no but’s ..
ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ·ó ¬ó ³ó ¿ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ·ó ¬ó ³ó ¿ðŸ‡ªðŸ‡ºðŸ‡ªðŸ‡º |
Yes the next century | |
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| Welsh independence being talked about on 17:27 - May 3 with 592 views | onehunglow |
| Welsh independence being talked about on 13:03 - May 3 by builthjack |
I don't think many hate England at all. Sport there is banter yes.
But hate ? No.
Some on here seem to always stir it up, usually if they have lived in England for years.
I have been accused by one of hating England, but when I have asked that person to show me a single quote on this forum showing that I have said it, there is nothing back.
I have English friends, neighbour's, work colleagues. Do I treat them any differently ? Hell no.
Why do people want independence? Because they love Wales. Nothing wrong with that.
I think it will happen, and it will take something to make it happen. 20 years maybe, who knows. |
A decent and most welcome reply.Thanks Ken.
However,much what I posted on here from tam pie and Killy is as hatefilled racist as you will find.
Of course you don’t hate English as they are part of the fabric of industrial Wales,where immigrants came for jobs in heavy industry and stayed. It s why so many Welsh have English surnames .
It s also the case we inter breed | |
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| Welsh independence being talked about on 18:01 - May 3 with 581 views | johnlangy |
| Welsh independence being talked about on 14:16 - May 3 by felixstowe_jack |
Yes the UK did as part of the withdrawal agreement with the EU.
Wales would have to agree a withdrawal agreement with the UK to leave as well as sorting a trade deal, pension liabilities, reciprocal health care arrangements, defence agreement, rights of each others citizens residing the UK and Wales.
As part of the UK Wales is responsible for it's share of the UK debt, pretty standard international law.
Of course 50% of the Welsh public would have to vote for independence first which given current support for PC is only 20% seems unlikely in the next 20 years. |
Pension liabilities ? | | | |
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