| Pharma and APPGs 12:30 - Jun 25 with 3323 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
The groups of MPs who advise on health matters are being funded through the back door by drugs companies. MPs acting in our interests?
https://www.theguardian.com/bu |  |
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| Pharma and APPGs on 14:27 - Jun 29 with 1074 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Pharma and APPGs on 14:02 - Jun 29 by Scotia |
Despite earlier posts of the usual standard.
One day we will run out of oil. Technology has to find a better way. |
Do you have any idea what "Oil" is used for? |  | | |
| Pharma and APPGs on 14:50 - Jun 29 with 1064 views | Catullus |
| Pharma and APPGs on 14:27 - Jun 29 by A_Fans_Dad |
Do you have any idea what "Oil" is used for? |
Of course we know what oil is used for, it's used for a heck of a lot but the world got by before oil and one day we will discover a way to do that again.
Your problem seems to be you don';t think technology will get there whereas some of us think it's inevitable, maybe not until long after my death but one day it will. | |
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| Pharma and APPGs on 15:06 - Jun 29 with 1055 views | Scotia |
| Pharma and APPGs on 14:27 - Jun 29 by A_Fans_Dad |
Do you have any idea what "Oil" is used for? |
Yep. Making rich people richer and destroying the planet. | | | |
| Pharma and APPGs on 15:39 - Jun 29 with 1044 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Pharma and APPGs on 14:50 - Jun 29 by Catullus |
Of course we know what oil is used for, it's used for a heck of a lot but the world got by before oil and one day we will discover a way to do that again.
Your problem seems to be you don';t think technology will get there whereas some of us think it's inevitable, maybe not until long after my death but one day it will. |
"but the world got by before oil and one day we will discover a way to do that again"
Priceless.
Yes let's all go back to caveman living.
You do understand that we can do it now? Synthetic Oil, it just costs a great deal more than oil, but it won't make all the other products that come from a barrel of oil.
Your ideology knows no cost bounds for the general public, eco at any cost will never sell. | | | |
| Pharma and APPGs on 15:40 - Jun 29 with 1043 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Pharma and APPGs on 15:06 - Jun 29 by Scotia |
Yep. Making rich people richer and destroying the planet. |
Total blind ignorance, so very sad.
You should live without it seeing as you are so against it, see how long you last. | | | |
| Pharma and APPGs on 17:36 - Jun 29 with 1030 views | Catullus |
| Pharma and APPGs on 15:39 - Jun 29 by A_Fans_Dad |
"but the world got by before oil and one day we will discover a way to do that again"
Priceless.
Yes let's all go back to caveman living.
You do understand that we can do it now? Synthetic Oil, it just costs a great deal more than oil, but it won't make all the other products that come from a barrel of oil.
Your ideology knows no cost bounds for the general public, eco at any cost will never sell. |
Actually when it comes to "Caveman living" that's you in a nutshell. You refuse to believe the world can advance any further than oil.
Fortunately there are plenty of people with more ambitiin than that. Every new technology is expensive when it first comes out.
The computers on Apollo 13 cost millions but today my cheap mobile phone has more computing power and my 2 year contract will cost me less than 350 quid. | |
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| Pharma and APPGs on 18:28 - Jun 29 with 1021 views | Scotia |
| Pharma and APPGs on 15:40 - Jun 29 by A_Fans_Dad |
Total blind ignorance, so very sad.
You should live without it seeing as you are so against it, see how long you last. |
So it doesn't harm the planet or make rich people richer?
For the first part of that question to be correct you don't even have to consider burning it. | | | |
| Pharma and APPGs on 19:08 - Jun 29 with 1016 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Pharma and APPGs on 18:28 - Jun 29 by Scotia |
So it doesn't harm the planet or make rich people richer?
For the first part of that question to be correct you don't even have to consider burning it. |
It does a hundred times as much good for humans as it does bad.
But it sounds like you are one of those that thinks humans are a virus on the planet and would put the planet first.
Burning it is only a very small part of what it does, but that burning of it keeps the world fed, clothed, medicated and alive against adverse conditions. | | | |
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| Pharma and APPGs on 20:15 - Jun 29 with 1005 views | Scotia |
| Pharma and APPGs on 19:08 - Jun 29 by A_Fans_Dad |
It does a hundred times as much good for humans as it does bad.
But it sounds like you are one of those that thinks humans are a virus on the planet and would put the planet first.
Burning it is only a very small part of what it does, but that burning of it keeps the world fed, clothed, medicated and alive against adverse conditions. |
It's incredibly useful. But we're going to have to learn to live without it because it is destroying the planet. Whether that is through burning it or micro plastic pollution.
Science and technology will find a way.
I don't put the planet before humans, I'm not a vegan hippy who goes on extinction rebellion protests. I'm realistic.
I recognise that we need a healthy relationship with the planet. We can't exploit it unsustainably. | | | |
| Pharma and APPGs on 21:17 - Jun 29 with 999 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Pharma and APPGs on 20:15 - Jun 29 by Scotia |
It's incredibly useful. But we're going to have to learn to live without it because it is destroying the planet. Whether that is through burning it or micro plastic pollution.
Science and technology will find a way.
I don't put the planet before humans, I'm not a vegan hippy who goes on extinction rebellion protests. I'm realistic.
I recognise that we need a healthy relationship with the planet. We can't exploit it unsustainably. |
Burning it is feeding the Planets plants.
But we can agree on microplastics, one of the worst inventions pushed on us by scientists.
But it is fairly simple to turn Plastic back in to oil, or burn it for energy instead of polluting the world with it. | | | |
| Pharma and APPGs on 09:17 - Jun 30 with 975 views | Catullus |
| Pharma and APPGs on 21:17 - Jun 29 by A_Fans_Dad |
Burning it is feeding the Planets plants.
But we can agree on microplastics, one of the worst inventions pushed on us by scientists.
But it is fairly simple to turn Plastic back in to oil, or burn it for energy instead of polluting the world with it. |
Burning plastic is bad too,
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/c
Burning oil, bad, where do you think petrol fumes come from?
Too much CO2 is bad for the planet,
https://www.washington.edu/new
To repeat something I used to say quite often on here, people will believe what they want to, you believe in Trump and that technology won't advance to the point we can do without oil. I think you are wrong.
Anyway, I'm going for a walk while it's nice out. The weather is quite unpredicatble, they warned we may have heavy rain over 2 days but we hardly had any here. I'm sure the seasons were more predictable when I was a kid!  | |
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| Pharma and APPGs on 09:21 - Jun 30 with 974 views | Scotia |
| Pharma and APPGs on 09:17 - Jun 30 by Catullus |
Burning plastic is bad too,
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/c
Burning oil, bad, where do you think petrol fumes come from?
Too much CO2 is bad for the planet,
https://www.washington.edu/new
To repeat something I used to say quite often on here, people will believe what they want to, you believe in Trump and that technology won't advance to the point we can do without oil. I think you are wrong.
Anyway, I'm going for a walk while it's nice out. The weather is quite unpredicatble, they warned we may have heavy rain over 2 days but we hardly had any here. I'm sure the seasons were more predictable when I was a kid! |
Oil is almost certain to run out at some point before humans are extinct. Unless we regress to living like prehistoric man we'll have to find an alternative.
Science and technology will and are delivering. | | | |
| Pharma and APPGs on 18:51 - Jun 30 with 936 views | Scotia |
| Pharma and APPGs on 17:51 - Jun 30 by Catullus |
Sorry to repeat myself but, as technology becomes more widely used and it develops it always becomes cheaper. Most things are really expensive when first introduced, computers, mobile phones and even medicines, the prices start high but always fall as time passes.
Maybe it's not a case of ecology at any price but it being, if we don't go down the green road the ultimate price will be more than the planet can stand. You won't accept that though.
In 2019 we went on holiday to Rhodes, I went for a swim in the med, off a boat. I did a bit of snorkelling. There were hardly any fish. The boats owner told me the seas around Rhodes used to be teaming with sealife but these days you had to go further and further out and the observable numbers were well down on 30 years ago.
https://www.zmescience.com/eco |
The Med is almost a biodiversity desert compared to a few decades ago.
Unfortunately you don't need to go too far to see unsustainable human impact.
Check this out.
https://naturalresources.wales | | | |
| Pharma and APPGs on 19:02 - Jun 30 with 933 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Pharma and APPGs on 17:51 - Jun 30 by Catullus |
Sorry to repeat myself but, as technology becomes more widely used and it develops it always becomes cheaper. Most things are really expensive when first introduced, computers, mobile phones and even medicines, the prices start high but always fall as time passes.
Maybe it's not a case of ecology at any price but it being, if we don't go down the green road the ultimate price will be more than the planet can stand. You won't accept that though.
In 2019 we went on holiday to Rhodes, I went for a swim in the med, off a boat. I did a bit of snorkelling. There were hardly any fish. The boats owner told me the seas around Rhodes used to be teaming with sealife but these days you had to go further and further out and the observable numbers were well down on 30 years ago.
https://www.zmescience.com/eco |
Yes, you can see from from the German data, US data, Australian data that the technology is getting cheaper and the prices to the Customers is going up to pay for it.
OK. [Post edited 30 Jun 2021 21:06]
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| Pharma and APPGs on 21:05 - Jun 30 with 920 views | Catullus |
| Pharma and APPGs on 19:02 - Jun 30 by A_Fans_Dad |
Yes, you can see from from the German data, US data, Australian data that the technology is getting cheaper and the prices to the Customers is going up to pay for it.
OK. [Post edited 30 Jun 2021 21:06]
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Oh don't be obtuse, the tech we are talking about is still relatively new and being developed all the time. We are talking about a massive project which could take 100 years before we get where we need to be.
If you'd rather your grandkids lived in a wasteland then carry on. | |
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| Pharma and APPGs on 21:11 - Jun 30 with 912 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Pharma and APPGs on 21:05 - Jun 30 by Catullus |
Oh don't be obtuse, the tech we are talking about is still relatively new and being developed all the time. We are talking about a massive project which could take 100 years before we get where we need to be.
If you'd rather your grandkids lived in a wasteland then carry on. |
Who said anything about "not carrying on", you did, not me.
Kids living in a wasteland, boy you have some imagination.
This is the kind of forward thinking that could make a difference.
https://www.nae.edu/255810/A-S
Plus the extracting heat from the Sea that I posted before.
Things that do not need subsidies because they are not economical without them. | | | |
| Pharma and APPGs on 18:01 - Jul 1 with 890 views | Catullus |
| Pharma and APPGs on 21:11 - Jun 30 by A_Fans_Dad |
Who said anything about "not carrying on", you did, not me.
Kids living in a wasteland, boy you have some imagination.
This is the kind of forward thinking that could make a difference.
https://www.nae.edu/255810/A-S
Plus the extracting heat from the Sea that I posted before.
Things that do not need subsidies because they are not economical without them. |
I never said anything about not carrying on, see that's the prblem, as someone else said where most of us see horses you see zebras!
Maybe you need some imagination or maybe you need to look at Africa,Asia and massive areas of South America, maybe you need to go Scuba diving and see for yourself the damage we do.
Fusion is forward thinking, traditional nuclear power isn't. | |
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| Pharma and APPGs on 18:52 - Jul 1 with 886 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Pharma and APPGs on 18:01 - Jul 1 by Catullus |
I never said anything about not carrying on, see that's the prblem, as someone else said where most of us see horses you see zebras!
Maybe you need some imagination or maybe you need to look at Africa,Asia and massive areas of South America, maybe you need to go Scuba diving and see for yourself the damage we do.
Fusion is forward thinking, traditional nuclear power isn't. |
Quote "If you'd rather your grandkids lived in a wasteland then carry on.
Say no more.
Fusion has been 10 years away for the last 40 years since they built the first Potomak.
Now Plasma Energy may well be the way forward as they can already get more energy out out than they put in, unlike Fusion. | | | |
| Pharma and APPGs on 19:34 - Jul 3 with 822 views | Catullus |
| Pharma and APPGs on 18:52 - Jul 1 by A_Fans_Dad |
Quote "If you'd rather your grandkids lived in a wasteland then carry on.
Say no more.
Fusion has been 10 years away for the last 40 years since they built the first Potomak.
Now Plasma Energy may well be the way forward as they can already get more energy out out than they put in, unlike Fusion. |
Ummm, yes, you massive bobolyne, I said "CARRY ON" and you even highlighted it.
So unless you can show me where I said to NOT carry on maybe you should give up.
On the other hand, what is the point. I mean, I can be very wrong but I'm happy to be corrected, you can't see where you are wrong even when your petard has hoisted you so high you're in orbit. With that in mind, join the list. | |
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| Pharma and APPGs on 21:06 - Jul 3 with 813 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Pharma and APPGs on 19:34 - Jul 3 by Catullus |
Ummm, yes, you massive bobolyne, I said "CARRY ON" and you even highlighted it.
So unless you can show me where I said to NOT carry on maybe you should give up.
On the other hand, what is the point. I mean, I can be very wrong but I'm happy to be corrected, you can't see where you are wrong even when your petard has hoisted you so high you're in orbit. With that in mind, join the list. |
I see, so the meaning of if we carry on and our grandkids will live in a wastelands, is not suggesting that we stop carrying on so that they won't live in a wasteland?
Sorry I am confused, perhaps you can re-arrange the words to better provide your meaning so that I can respond accordingly. | | | |
| Pharma and APPGs on 11:06 - Jul 4 with 790 views | A_Fans_Dad |
Cat, 2 bits of really good news for you, this is the sort of technology that the world wants and needs, it is a combination of Nuclear and Solar power.
They take the radiation from radio-isotopes and turn it directly in to electricty, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year for years on end.
https://infinitepower.life/our
This is a bit like the Diamond/Atomic batteries, and the factory built Nuclear Power batteries if they ever actully get made, using the radioactive material for good purposes.
The second bit of good news is that they have now used Emperical data (you can't beat it) to actually measure the plastic, especially micro-plastic in rivers, instead of the estimates that they were using.
It turns out that the actual amount is only 1% of the estimated amount.
Of course it is still a problem but not as big as was "assumed".
https://www.eurekalert.org/pub
If you are interested in actual sciency stuff then the work being done on the Earth's Atmospheric Dynamo is also fascinating, it has taken about 200 years to get this far. This is the sort of work that NASA was created for along with space exploration.
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/g
Please note from that article that Michael Farady, the inventor of the Dynamo was not a scientist[, he was a bookbinder’s apprentice turned self-taught experimentalist.
Many people who have made major breakthroughs in science were not Phds or formally trained in the subject. [Post edited 4 Jul 2021 11:12]
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| Pharma and APPGs on 18:41 - Jul 4 with 762 views | Scotia |
| Pharma and APPGs on 11:06 - Jul 4 by A_Fans_Dad |
Cat, 2 bits of really good news for you, this is the sort of technology that the world wants and needs, it is a combination of Nuclear and Solar power.
They take the radiation from radio-isotopes and turn it directly in to electricty, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year for years on end.
https://infinitepower.life/our
This is a bit like the Diamond/Atomic batteries, and the factory built Nuclear Power batteries if they ever actully get made, using the radioactive material for good purposes.
The second bit of good news is that they have now used Emperical data (you can't beat it) to actually measure the plastic, especially micro-plastic in rivers, instead of the estimates that they were using.
It turns out that the actual amount is only 1% of the estimated amount.
Of course it is still a problem but not as big as was "assumed".
https://www.eurekalert.org/pub
If you are interested in actual sciency stuff then the work being done on the Earth's Atmospheric Dynamo is also fascinating, it has taken about 200 years to get this far. This is the sort of work that NASA was created for along with space exploration.
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/g
Please note from that article that Michael Farady, the inventor of the Dynamo was not a scientist[, he was a bookbinder’s apprentice turned self-taught experimentalist.
Many people who have made major breakthroughs in science were not Phds or formally trained in the subject. [Post edited 4 Jul 2021 11:12]
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Not as big a problem as assumed?
"However, these findings do not suggest that plastics are less of a problem than previously thought. In fact, through their analyses, researchers actually found that plastics remain at the ocean's surface much longer than previously estimated - further exacerbating the effects of plastic pollution on natural systems."
Direct quote.
Do you ever read articles that you post links to, or do you think others won't? | | | |
| Pharma and APPGs on 18:56 - Jul 4 with 755 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Pharma and APPGs on 18:41 - Jul 4 by Scotia |
Not as big a problem as assumed?
"However, these findings do not suggest that plastics are less of a problem than previously thought. In fact, through their analyses, researchers actually found that plastics remain at the ocean's surface much longer than previously estimated - further exacerbating the effects of plastic pollution on natural systems."
Direct quote.
Do you ever read articles that you post links to, or do you think others won't? |
What is already there is "not less of a problem".
But having 1% of the plastic that they thought was going in to them in the future is much less of a problem than 100% of what they thought was going in to them.
Do you ever read articles that I post links to? | | | |
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