| Wales would be in the semi finals 22:06 - Jul 3 with 1559 views | trampie |
If Wales had the same draw as England.
Wales recently beat Czech Republic in a World cup qualifier at home by the exact same scoreline as England.
Wales fairly recently drew with Croatia 1-1 at home, England won 1-0, ok but England only drew at home to Scotland, Wales have beaten Scotland the last few times, in fact I think Wales have beaten Scotland 5 out of the last 6 times and Wales were likely not just to beat the Scots but hammer them
I think Wales would have beaten Germany, the Germans have recently lost at home to North Macedonia in the World cup and only snatched a last minute draw at home to Hungary, Wales recently beat Hungary in a winner takes all match 2-0.
Wales would easily have beaten Ukraine on neutral ground, Wales with a superior World ranking
All in all if Wales had had England's draw and home games, Wales would be in the semi's, England for their part might not have qualified out of the group if they had had Wales draw, England would have been expected to lose away to Italy and it would all depend on what they could have done against a good Swiss side out in Asia. [Post edited 3 Jul 2021 22:08]
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| Wales would be in the semi finals on 10:58 - Jul 4 with 431 views | trampie |
| Wales would be in the semi finals on 10:49 - Jul 4 by monmouth |
Strange thread when Wales were humiliatingly outplayed in 3 of their 4 matches whereas England have not looked in any trouble at all. Croatia and the Czechs would have beaten Wales at this tournament, and I wouldn’t have put money on against the Scots. May have beaten a very tired Ukraine, but that was the reward for winning their group and beating the Germans.
I might detest the England football bandwagon but they have gone about their business very efficiently and professionally. Wales would be nowhere near.
I guess we’ll see soon enough, if England lose 4-0 to the Danes. I hope they do, but somehow I can only see another straightforward win. |
Why do you think the Czechs would have beaten Wales in this tournament when Wales beat the Czechs in the World cup just before this tournament ?, Croatia also failed to beat Wales in Cardiff in qualifying for this very tournament.
My observations are based on actual results, recent proper results and not friendlies. [Post edited 4 Jul 2021 11:12]
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| Wales would be in the semi finals on 11:04 - Jul 4 with 407 views | 73__73 |
I love this thread. Just proves how deluded Trampie is 😂 |  |
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| Wales would be in the semi finals on 11:08 - Jul 4 with 409 views | jack247 |
| Wales would be in the semi finals on 10:49 - Jul 4 by monmouth |
Strange thread when Wales were humiliatingly outplayed in 3 of their 4 matches whereas England have not looked in any trouble at all. Croatia and the Czechs would have beaten Wales at this tournament, and I wouldn’t have put money on against the Scots. May have beaten a very tired Ukraine, but that was the reward for winning their group and beating the Germans.
I might detest the England football bandwagon but they have gone about their business very efficiently and professionally. Wales would be nowhere near.
I guess we’ll see soon enough, if England lose 4-0 to the Danes. I hope they do, but somehow I can only see another straightforward win. |
I’d say humiliated once. We drew with the Swiss, who then knocked the French out. Neither France nor Spain could beat them in 120 minutes. Italy have won 12 on the bounce and are 30 odd unbeaten.
I do agree though, if we had England’s draw (which is earned, they were in the top pot of seeds, we were in the fourth), I think we’d have finished third above Scotland. | | | |
| Wales would be in the semi finals on 11:11 - Jul 4 with 400 views | raynor94 |
| Wales would be in the semi finals on 10:49 - Jul 4 by monmouth |
Strange thread when Wales were humiliatingly outplayed in 3 of their 4 matches whereas England have not looked in any trouble at all. Croatia and the Czechs would have beaten Wales at this tournament, and I wouldn’t have put money on against the Scots. May have beaten a very tired Ukraine, but that was the reward for winning their group and beating the Germans.
I might detest the England football bandwagon but they have gone about their business very efficiently and professionally. Wales would be nowhere near.
I guess we’ll see soon enough, if England lose 4-0 to the Danes. I hope they do, but somehow I can only see another straightforward win. |
Great post, you are on fire today Mon |  |
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| Wales would be in the semi finals on 18:27 - Jul 4 with 323 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Wales would be in the semi finals on 10:49 - Jul 4 by monmouth |
Strange thread when Wales were humiliatingly outplayed in 3 of their 4 matches whereas England have not looked in any trouble at all. Croatia and the Czechs would have beaten Wales at this tournament, and I wouldn’t have put money on against the Scots. May have beaten a very tired Ukraine, but that was the reward for winning their group and beating the Germans.
I might detest the England football bandwagon but they have gone about their business very efficiently and professionally. Wales would be nowhere near.
I guess we’ll see soon enough, if England lose 4-0 to the Danes. I hope they do, but somehow I can only see another straightforward win. |
Scotland were the better team at Wembley.
Do you consider that beating Ukraine was a huge achievement ?
3rd in qualifing group, only win was 2-1 vs North Macedonia. Lost other 2.
Last 16 win was against 10 man Sweden.
It was like a bit like Real Madrid drawing Afan Lido.
But lets all pretend it was a huge achievement. |  |
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| Wales would be in the semi finals on 18:31 - Jul 4 with 321 views | monmouth |
| Wales would be in the semi finals on 18:27 - Jul 4 by Kilkennyjack |
Scotland were the better team at Wembley.
Do you consider that beating Ukraine was a huge achievement ?
3rd in qualifing group, only win was 2-1 vs North Macedonia. Lost other 2.
Last 16 win was against 10 man Sweden.
It was like a bit like Real Madrid drawing Afan Lido.
But lets all pretend it was a huge achievement. |
Where on earth have I said it's a huge achievement? |  |
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| Wales would be in the semi finals on 18:45 - Jul 4 with 315 views | monmouth |
| Wales would be in the semi finals on 11:08 - Jul 4 by jack247 |
I’d say humiliated once. We drew with the Swiss, who then knocked the French out. Neither France nor Spain could beat them in 120 minutes. Italy have won 12 on the bounce and are 30 odd unbeaten.
I do agree though, if we had England’s draw (which is earned, they were in the top pot of seeds, we were in the fourth), I think we’d have finished third above Scotland. |
The Swiss and Italy reserves totally outplayed us. We squeaked a draw out of nowhere in one, and could have actually nicked a draw in the others. I'm not arguing about the quality of the Swiss. I think they were very good. So ok, maybe being outplayed by them isn't so humiliating. But if a team (as postulated in the OP) is good enough for the semi finals it is fairly humiliating to be outplayed three times from four games.
To the contrary, England have not been outplayed and hardly really challenged. They have been boring, but have done the necessary without any real trauma. The Scots might have nicked a win on a wave of emotion on the night but never really looked convincingly likely.
The thread tries to draw false equivalence. England are light years ahead and not a single Welsh player would make their team, probably hardly trouble the bench. It pains me HUGELY to say that, and I hate the thought of the jingoistic euphoria that that whole "Ingerlund" circus provoke and promote, but they deserve what they have at the moment. It is no great achievement but Wales would not have matched it.
I think we could have beaten Ukraine but to do that, we'd have had to win that group and beat the Germans. No chance. | |
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| Wales would be in the semi finals on 19:11 - Jul 4 with 300 views | monmouth |
| Wales would be in the semi finals on 10:58 - Jul 4 by trampie |
Why do you think the Czechs would have beaten Wales in this tournament when Wales beat the Czechs in the World cup just before this tournament ?, Croatia also failed to beat Wales in Cardiff in qualifying for this very tournament.
My observations are based on actual results, recent proper results and not friendlies. [Post edited 4 Jul 2021 11:12]
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Did you watch those games? Of course you did. You think they would have been repeated in this tournament and that Wales would have topped that group. Ok. I don't.
There is a lot of overegged begrudging of England's rather mediocre but successful performance. I hate it too, but to claim that Wales would be as successful based on what we actually saw at the tournament is a leap too far. England's football team is miles ahead of Wales' football team and the gap will likely increase. If they had a proper manager rather than a Cooper clone they would be heavy favourites to win this.
With a nation of 50m vs 3m it's what you would expect to be the statistical norm. When we get an outlier like 2016 we should celebrate it massively, but it was a huge outlier, unlikely to be repeated in my lifetime. | |
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| Wales would be in the semi finals on 19:13 - Jul 4 with 297 views | builthjack |
Home games, no travelling, have made a huge difference.
One trip to Rome, almost a home game compared to Ukraine.
If England had had Wales logistics I honestly don't think they would still be in the competition now. |  |
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| Wales would be in the semi finals on 19:42 - Jul 4 with 284 views | trampie |
| Wales would be in the semi finals on 19:13 - Jul 4 by builthjack |
Home games, no travelling, have made a huge difference.
One trip to Rome, almost a home game compared to Ukraine.
If England had had Wales logistics I honestly don't think they would still be in the competition now. |
It's all set up for England to win it, but i agree if England had Wales logistics I think they would be out by now also. | |
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| Wales would be in the semi finals on 21:09 - Jul 4 with 263 views | monmouth |
| Wales would be in the semi finals on 19:42 - Jul 4 by trampie |
It's all set up for England to win it, but i agree if England had Wales logistics I think they would be out by now also. |
It's possible Tramps. Like all speculation though, it's pointless.
They've got lucky. So far they've taken advantage of it. That's life. No point in being bitter. | |
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| Wales would be in the semi finals on 21:19 - Jul 4 with 256 views | trampie |
| Wales would be in the semi finals on 21:09 - Jul 4 by monmouth |
It's possible Tramps. Like all speculation though, it's pointless.
They've got lucky. So far they've taken advantage of it. That's life. No point in being bitter. |
Oh I'm not bitter I just recognise it for what it is, I subbed in Kane, Maguire and Stones last night to go with Sterling to more or less guarantee a win in my works fantasy football, England have done me a financial favour, but they only done as well as they have because of the draw and home fixtures even if they now go on and win it. | |
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| Wales would be in the semi finals on 21:37 - Jul 4 with 248 views | trampie |
| Wales would be in the semi finals on 19:11 - Jul 4 by monmouth |
Did you watch those games? Of course you did. You think they would have been repeated in this tournament and that Wales would have topped that group. Ok. I don't.
There is a lot of overegged begrudging of England's rather mediocre but successful performance. I hate it too, but to claim that Wales would be as successful based on what we actually saw at the tournament is a leap too far. England's football team is miles ahead of Wales' football team and the gap will likely increase. If they had a proper manager rather than a Cooper clone they would be heavy favourites to win this.
With a nation of 50m vs 3m it's what you would expect to be the statistical norm. When we get an outlier like 2016 we should celebrate it massively, but it was a huge outlier, unlikely to be repeated in my lifetime. |
Wales could have made the semis with the same draw as England, nobody is saying Wales are as good as England, just given the same draw Wales might have reached the semis, Wales travelled 6000 miles for crying out load, we travelled to Asia and back playing in ridiculous heat, we played Italy in Rome, judging by England's two 1-0 wins at home in their group and a 0-0 at home to Scotland, England would not have liked Wales group at all and might at that point in time not even got out of it. [Post edited 4 Jul 2021 21:38]
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