| Attacking, Creative Football 10:36 - Sep 22 with 4654 views | dna |
Cooper promises the Forest fans - Really Steve???
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/ [Post edited 22 Sep 2021 10:36]
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| Attacking, Creative Football on 21:22 - Sep 23 with 1098 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Attacking, Creative Football on 21:16 - Sep 23 by Dr_Winston |
Cooper had two years of parachute payments and Ayew. He failed. Martin has no such luxuries. |
Nonsense, “he” didn’t have anything.
We as a club, had two years of parachute which went towards players contacts we could not break, like Ayew’s for example, he was here before Cooper arrived.
Of the big earners last year we lost Ayew and Routledge. This year we have gained Downes, Ntcham, Williams, Piroe, Laird and Pato.
Would you swap them back? No me neither.
To achieve what he did on considerably less funds (both in salaries paid and transfer fees) than Potter was remarkable. |  |
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| Attacking, Creative Football on 08:34 - Sep 26 with 992 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Attacking, Creative Football on 21:20 - Sep 23 by Fireboy2 |
Yeah Yeah but didnt you know sooper dooper cooper got us to consecutive play offs. |
Is the Mole-ster on holiday??
(I had to add the hyphen for obvious legal reasons) |  |
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| Attacking, Creative Football on 08:41 - Sep 26 with 988 views | ItchySphincter |
Did I read someone say that we were more creative and attacking under Cooper, and attempting to prove it with a few numbers?
Some people appear to be creating their own version of reality. |  |
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| Attacking, Creative Football on 08:59 - Sep 26 with 961 views | Fireboy2 |
| Attacking, Creative Football on 08:34 - Sep 26 by Brynmill_Jack |
Is the Mole-ster on holiday??
(I had to add the hyphen for obvious legal reasons) |
How sad are people when they only post when we draw or lose playing badly. |  | | |
| Attacking, Creative Football on 09:05 - Sep 26 with 931 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Attacking, Creative Football on 08:41 - Sep 26 by ItchySphincter |
Did I read someone say that we were more creative and attacking under Cooper, and attempting to prove it with a few numbers?
Some people appear to be creating their own version of reality. |
I think what you read was someone correcting you when you said we had more shots this year so far than last season.
It was wrong when you first said it, it still remains wrong.
What do you think has changed since out of interest? | |
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| Attacking, Creative Football on 09:09 - Sep 26 with 934 views | Badlands |
Listening to Ian Walsh before the game.
On Cardiff …
Cardiff only score from set pieces, they don’t try to play football, it’s miserable for the fans, there's no entertainment, they are in a period of change and that could take 3 to five years.
Swansea
Within a minute his view of Swansea was 'football diarrhoea' because we keep possession and pass the ball around.
David Giles couldn’t agree more.
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| Attacking, Creative Football on 09:10 - Sep 26 with 922 views | Dr_Parnassus |
The updated numbers after 9 games if you like Itch:-
First 9 games under Cooper = 114 shots and 13 goals
First 9 games of 2nd Cooper season = 114 shots and 12 goals
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First 9 games under Martin = 87 shots and 8 goals.
The decrease was 16% when you first made the point... It has since widened to a 23% decrease since.
Which version of your own reality have you made since the last time we spoke on this subject then? [Post edited 26 Sep 2021 9:17]
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| Attacking, Creative Football on 09:31 - Sep 26 with 897 views | ItchySphincter |
| Attacking, Creative Football on 09:05 - Sep 26 by Dr_Parnassus |
I think what you read was someone correcting you when you said we had more shots this year so far than last season.
It was wrong when you first said it, it still remains wrong.
What do you think has changed since out of interest? |
Oh, you was it?
Here’s the quote - nothing to do with replying to me so not sure why you’re creating your own version of reality:
“Well, lets be fair here Daps.
We used to create and attack far more than we do currently” | |
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| Attacking, Creative Football on 09:52 - Sep 26 with 868 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Attacking, Creative Football on 09:31 - Sep 26 by ItchySphincter |
Oh, you was it?
Here’s the quote - nothing to do with replying to me so not sure why you’re creating your own version of reality:
“Well, lets be fair here Daps.
We used to create and attack far more than we do currently” |
Alternate reality? He’s definitely suffering from delusions. We are so much quicker in thought and deed now than we ever were under Cooper. Some of yesterday’s moves would have had even Laudrup purring. | |
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| Attacking, Creative Football on 10:17 - Sep 26 with 811 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Attacking, Creative Football on 10:09 - Sep 26 by ItchySphincter |
There you go again with the stats. Not sure why you’re bringing a quote from a different thread and a different day up, that’s been done, and no need to get the red pen out - this is not school. ðŸ‘🻠Let’s just stay on the topic at hand shall we.
Truth is to anyone with eyes - we are more attacking and creative now than we were last season, don’t let shots stats blind you to the truth.
Cardiff are above us in the table, their stats must be better, no? Would you want to be them? |
Of course, why wouldn't I show you the facts?
You said you thought someone said we were more attacking under Cooper. I am showing you that we were, considerably so. You were the one who suggested it so my reply is entirely relevant to the comment you made here.
We aren't more creative and attacking. Just a fact whether you have 1 eye, 2 eyes, 3 eyes or no eyes, It's just not true:-
23% less shots than this stage last season
33% less goals than this stage last season
44% less points than this stage last season
We did just win 1-0 though, so I understand you may be out to look for some conflict with those who have correctly pointed out our clear shortcomings this season. One of which has been our lack of purposeful attacking intent. | |
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| Attacking, Creative Football on 11:08 - Sep 26 with 762 views | JJJack |
| Attacking, Creative Football on 10:17 - Sep 26 by Dr_Parnassus |
Of course, why wouldn't I show you the facts?
You said you thought someone said we were more attacking under Cooper. I am showing you that we were, considerably so. You were the one who suggested it so my reply is entirely relevant to the comment you made here.
We aren't more creative and attacking. Just a fact whether you have 1 eye, 2 eyes, 3 eyes or no eyes, It's just not true:-
23% less shots than this stage last season
33% less goals than this stage last season
44% less points than this stage last season
We did just win 1-0 though, so I understand you may be out to look for some conflict with those who have correctly pointed out our clear shortcomings this season. One of which has been our lack of purposeful attacking intent. |
I don't know why people have got such a problem with your argument. This idea we've suddenly become some version of Guardiola's Barca is bonkers. We are a very average Championship side struggling to score goals. That isn't my opinion, it's a fact. Now, we may improve, but to match what Cooper did will be some achievement because what he did was get us off to a flyer twice. That said, we looked unfit under him and by March 2021 we were knackered because the man did not know how to use substitutes.
I pray Martin can improve us but wow, there's some delusion on here at present.... |  | | |
| Attacking, Creative Football on 11:21 - Sep 26 with 735 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Attacking, Creative Football on 11:08 - Sep 26 by JJJack |
I don't know why people have got such a problem with your argument. This idea we've suddenly become some version of Guardiola's Barca is bonkers. We are a very average Championship side struggling to score goals. That isn't my opinion, it's a fact. Now, we may improve, but to match what Cooper did will be some achievement because what he did was get us off to a flyer twice. That said, we looked unfit under him and by March 2021 we were knackered because the man did not know how to use substitutes.
I pray Martin can improve us but wow, there's some delusion on here at present.... |
Correct.
We may become more attacking, but we aren’t currently. Not close.
We are very negative, we don’t create much, we are very slow, very ponderous. We have a lot of meaningless possession with no purpose and I think people automatically connect having the ball with “attacking”. However they aren’t the same thing.
Is that getting better? Maybe, hopefully. Hard to say after a game, we had the worst half of football in decades the game before so it’s not been a great sample size since.
Certain people are creating myths, despite the fact reality easily opposes it. Whether it helps them convince themselves, or they believe they are convincing others isn’t clear.
I just don’t understand why people have to be so militant in one position. If we do well then praise us, if we don’t then don’t. Those that have criticised us thus far aren’t saying we will never be good, they are just stating that we haven’t been so far.
Not sure what the problem is. | |
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| Attacking, Creative Football on 11:44 - Sep 26 with 731 views | JJJack |
| Attacking, Creative Football on 11:21 - Sep 26 by Dr_Parnassus |
Correct.
We may become more attacking, but we aren’t currently. Not close.
We are very negative, we don’t create much, we are very slow, very ponderous. We have a lot of meaningless possession with no purpose and I think people automatically connect having the ball with “attacking”. However they aren’t the same thing.
Is that getting better? Maybe, hopefully. Hard to say after a game, we had the worst half of football in decades the game before so it’s not been a great sample size since.
Certain people are creating myths, despite the fact reality easily opposes it. Whether it helps them convince themselves, or they believe they are convincing others isn’t clear.
I just don’t understand why people have to be so militant in one position. If we do well then praise us, if we don’t then don’t. Those that have criticised us thus far aren’t saying we will never be good, they are just stating that we haven’t been so far.
Not sure what the problem is. |
Martin is a good communicator. Reminds me of Brendan in terms of hyping his team up. But Brodge delivered for us big time and had some superstars at Championship level in Sinclair, Rangel, Williams, Joey and Leon. Martin doesn't have the same luxuries. We'll see.... | | | |
| Attacking, Creative Football on 11:51 - Sep 26 with 719 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Attacking, Creative Football on 11:44 - Sep 26 by JJJack |
Martin is a good communicator. Reminds me of Brendan in terms of hyping his team up. But Brodge delivered for us big time and had some superstars at Championship level in Sinclair, Rangel, Williams, Joey and Leon. Martin doesn't have the same luxuries. We'll see.... |
This team we have is fantastic, which it should be given the amount spent on it this season.
Lots are pointing to Ayew. Would you swap Ayew for Piroe and Obafemi? I certainly wouldn’t and I am a big fan of Ayew. For me, up front is a big improvement on what we have seen previously.
Piroe is the striker we have been missing for years and could easily be worth in excess of £10m if he continues this form. Kieffer Moore is proof of that.
Flynn Downes is another that has absolute bags of quality, as does Ntcham. I also wouldn’t swap both for a loaned Guehi.
The only player I would want back who we had permanently is Roberts, but Laird is an excellent loan replacement this season.
This team is better than last years, make no mistake. | |
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| Attacking, Creative Football on 13:57 - Sep 26 with 659 views | onehunglow |
| Attacking, Creative Football on 08:59 - Sep 26 by Fireboy2 |
How sad are people when they only post when we draw or lose playing badly. |
Almost as bad as fans ,after we WIN,turning on other fans as soon as the game is over. |  |
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| Attacking, Creative Football on 16:21 - Sep 26 with 634 views | ItchySphincter |
| Attacking, Creative Football on 11:21 - Sep 26 by Dr_Parnassus |
Correct.
We may become more attacking, but we aren’t currently. Not close.
We are very negative, we don’t create much, we are very slow, very ponderous. We have a lot of meaningless possession with no purpose and I think people automatically connect having the ball with “attacking”. However they aren’t the same thing.
Is that getting better? Maybe, hopefully. Hard to say after a game, we had the worst half of football in decades the game before so it’s not been a great sample size since.
Certain people are creating myths, despite the fact reality easily opposes it. Whether it helps them convince themselves, or they believe they are convincing others isn’t clear.
I just don’t understand why people have to be so militant in one position. If we do well then praise us, if we don’t then don’t. Those that have criticised us thus far aren’t saying we will never be good, they are just stating that we haven’t been so far.
Not sure what the problem is. |
So ‘more attacking’ is measured only by shots?
You’re in a very small minority if you think Cooper’s side was remotely creative or attacking, let alone more people than this one. Shot stats or not. | |
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| Attacking, Creative Football on 16:25 - Sep 26 with 628 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Attacking, Creative Football on 16:21 - Sep 26 by ItchySphincter |
So ‘more attacking’ is measured only by shots?
You’re in a very small minority if you think Cooper’s side was remotely creative or attacking, let alone more people than this one. Shot stats or not. |
Shots attempted and goals is a fair barometer for how attacking a side is, yes. Especially over a fair sample size of matches, which 9 consecutive matches certainly is.
Shots attempted more so a telling piece of information than goals, but both combined is even better.
I didn’t describe Coopers style as attacking, in fact it’s based on defence. I am just stating the fact that it was more attacking than Martins games so far. You are getting hoodwinked by possession no doubt.
Whether I’m in the minority isn’t important to me, if that’s the case then the minority will be correct and I am happy to be a part of it.
On average over both Cooper seasons, our 9th game of the season saw 17.5 Swansea shots each per game… Martins 9th game saw 7.
It’s not even close currently. [Post edited 26 Sep 2021 16:57]
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| Attacking, Creative Football on 16:44 - Sep 26 with 618 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Attacking, Creative Football on 11:44 - Sep 26 by JJJack |
Martin is a good communicator. Reminds me of Brendan in terms of hyping his team up. But Brodge delivered for us big time and had some superstars at Championship level in Sinclair, Rangel, Williams, Joey and Leon. Martin doesn't have the same luxuries. We'll see.... |
Brendan would have bitten your arm off for a Piroe. He is going to outshine Sinclair’s achievements (luck with injuries permitting).
Some of our interplay yesterday was a joy too watch from a team who are only still finding their feet fitness wise. I know we aren’t Barca but my God we’re hardly Cardiff either. Cheer up! | |
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| Attacking, Creative Football on 16:50 - Sep 26 with 611 views | Dr_Winston |
| Attacking, Creative Football on 16:44 - Sep 26 by Brynmill_Jack |
Brendan would have bitten your arm off for a Piroe. He is going to outshine Sinclair’s achievements (luck with injuries permitting).
Some of our interplay yesterday was a joy too watch from a team who are only still finding their feet fitness wise. I know we aren’t Barca but my God we’re hardly Cardiff either. Cheer up! |
Fitness wise and tactically.
I missed the last two home games prior to yesterday (thanks Covid) so only got to watch the TV coverage which doesn't give a particularly good sense of how the players shift around the pitch, but the off the ball movement looked significantly better than it was in the Stoke game.
Tapered off in the second half due to fitness/subs, but it's getting there. |  |
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| Attacking, Creative Football on 16:56 - Sep 26 with 600 views | WalterBoyd |
| Attacking, Creative Football on 16:50 - Sep 26 by Dr_Winston |
Fitness wise and tactically.
I missed the last two home games prior to yesterday (thanks Covid) so only got to watch the TV coverage which doesn't give a particularly good sense of how the players shift around the pitch, but the off the ball movement looked significantly better than it was in the Stoke game.
Tapered off in the second half due to fitness/subs, but it's getting there. |
I am glad someone else agrees with me, that the off ball movement, work rate, attitude and nuances of a team can be better picked up by being there.
I watch all away matches on tv but dont feel as involved, get a sense off all that is happening.
But whether there or not, the continued improvement, slight changes to tactics and work rate of the team is plain to see. | | | |
| Attacking, Creative Football on 16:57 - Sep 26 with 598 views | PatchesOHoulihan |
| Attacking, Creative Football on 01:05 - Sep 23 by Dr_Parnassus |
Indeed, hence why he was literally screaming about getting players he wanted in January. The squad was crying out for it.
The owners dropped a massive bollock in January with that they brought in. It was baffling at the time and turned out to be exactly as expected. |
Rubbish - people worked us out because we had one game plane. He changed it and we were ok for a while then we got worked out again.
New players would not have helped - the game plan and football formations were textbook and easy to defend against |  |
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| Attacking, Creative Football on 16:58 - Sep 26 with 597 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Attacking, Creative Football on 21:22 - Sep 23 by Dr_Parnassus |
Nonsense, “he” didn’t have anything.
We as a club, had two years of parachute which went towards players contacts we could not break, like Ayew’s for example, he was here before Cooper arrived.
Of the big earners last year we lost Ayew and Routledge. This year we have gained Downes, Ntcham, Williams, Piroe, Laird and Pato.
Would you swap them back? No me neither.
To achieve what he did on considerably less funds (both in salaries paid and transfer fees) than Potter was remarkable. |
Ah right so Martin has suddenly been backed to the hilts by the owners but Cooper wasn’t. Ok. |  | | |
| Attacking, Creative Football on 17:00 - Sep 26 with 594 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Attacking, Creative Football on 16:57 - Sep 26 by PatchesOHoulihan |
Rubbish - people worked us out because we had one game plane. He changed it and we were ok for a while then we got worked out again.
New players would not have helped - the game plan and football formations were textbook and easy to defend against |
Don’t talk wet.
We didn’t have a striker. We had a bunch of forwards and wide players, at no point did we have a focal point like we do now with Piroe.
You think people just so happened to “work us out” 18 months in? If we were worked out then it would come within a few games, not seasons. This is professional football.
We simply had a thin squad in terms of quality and players in key positions that were playing there out of necessity. | |
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