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Most have said they would rather wait until we get to the November international break, well it’s here, change or confirm, your thoughts. We will run a short article on the results this week.
How happy are you with Russell Martin and his coaching team ?
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The Russell Martin verdict on 16:15 - Nov 8 by ReslovenSwan1
This is a forum. I give my opinions. Just accept them and agree or disagree. Had the £7m he was given been better spent promotion would have been a real possibility. Most readers would accept that I think. Nothing is certain in life. There are no guarantees. ​
You can answer your own questions. You appear to be very hard work with each post having a little dig at the end. It is probably a form of bullying and in contravention of the rules of this forum.
This is a forum. These opinions you give are being presented as fact and as such should be challenged. Right this is more realistic -HAD it been spent better promotion would have been a POSSIBILITY. Better. Although Celina was decent and he accounted for a big chunk of it.
But then you could pretty much say that for every season. Had we loaned more suitable players than Arriola & Morris we'd have gone up. I'm not going to pretend or make up players like your Toney example that I have absolutely no idea whether we were even in the market for or considered though.
I can answer my questions, but as you say this is a forum. If you didn't leave so many points requiring clarifications I wouldn't need to ask so many. As such I dont need to work hard at all. It's glaringly obvious that this needs questioining.
Bullying by asking you to clarify your points? On a forum? If you haven't got the conviction in your points to stand up to scrutiny maybe you should give them more thought before posting.
The Russell Martin verdict on 16:31 - Nov 8 by Chief
This is a forum. These opinions you give are being presented as fact and as such should be challenged. Right this is more realistic -HAD it been spent better promotion would have been a POSSIBILITY. Better. Although Celina was decent and he accounted for a big chunk of it.
But then you could pretty much say that for every season. Had we loaned more suitable players than Arriola & Morris we'd have gone up. I'm not going to pretend or make up players like your Toney example that I have absolutely no idea whether we were even in the market for or considered though.
I can answer my questions, but as you say this is a forum. If you didn't leave so many points requiring clarifications I wouldn't need to ask so many. As such I dont need to work hard at all. It's glaringly obvious that this needs questioining.
Bullying by asking you to clarify your points? On a forum? If you haven't got the conviction in your points to stand up to scrutiny maybe you should give them more thought before posting.
It is blatantly obvious to most the Declan John, Asoro and Mckay were desperately poor signings by Potters recruitment man. Celina had his moments but in reality is back in league 1. Most fans would take one look at McKay and make a very rapid assessment that he should never been allowed to wear the club shirt. He has no physical presence.
I have put forward the idea that Potter should have used his £7m budget better and to help you out identified two players who were available at that time to support the case. He also had the option of keeping Ayew.
Toney was playing for Peterborough in league 1 and was sold to Brentford eventually for £5m. Had McCauley wanted him the money was made available.
Your methodology is to misrepresent my points in your so called 'clarifications' followed by some sort of slur. It is sub prime behaviour.
The Russell Martin verdict on 16:15 - Nov 8 by ReslovenSwan1
This is a forum. I give my opinions. Just accept them and agree or disagree. Had the £7m he was given been better spent promotion would have been a real possibility. Most readers would accept that I think. Nothing is certain in life. There are no guarantees. ​
You can answer your own questions. You appear to be very hard work with each post having a little dig at the end. It is probably a form of bullying and in contravention of the rules of this forum.
Debate involves questioning opinions you disagree with. Calling your post fantasy is hardly bullying, not even a form of it, other people will agree. maybe that's because you have a track record of making massive assumptions to back up your posts?
Not many people turn down a promotion and pay rise, maybe martin is the exception but I don't think we'll find out just yet because he doesn't get a mention of the Pinkun and has slipped in the bookies eyes too.
However, if Norwich made him a serious offer I reckon he'd take it. he was at Norwich for 8 years, he has ties there that he hasn't here and he's ambitious. It's a bit like Martinez and Wigan though Martin hasn't been here as long so hasn't the ties to us.
it seems moot though because I don't think Norwich are interested. Which is my opinion, not a fact...yet!
The Russell Martin verdict on 17:24 - Nov 8 by Catullus
Debate involves questioning opinions you disagree with. Calling your post fantasy is hardly bullying, not even a form of it, other people will agree. maybe that's because you have a track record of making massive assumptions to back up your posts?
Not many people turn down a promotion and pay rise, maybe martin is the exception but I don't think we'll find out just yet because he doesn't get a mention of the Pinkun and has slipped in the bookies eyes too.
However, if Norwich made him a serious offer I reckon he'd take it. he was at Norwich for 8 years, he has ties there that he hasn't here and he's ambitious. It's a bit like Martinez and Wigan though Martin hasn't been here as long so hasn't the ties to us.
it seems moot though because I don't think Norwich are interested. Which is my opinion, not a fact...yet!
The Chief goes after almost all my post on almost any subject and makes personal criticisms on each one in the form of mischievous "clarifications". You yourself agreed on one of his nasty slurs not so long ago which was removed by the owner of this forum. I will not tolerate bullying of a persistent sniping kind. It is an unacceptable trait.
The Russell Martin verdict on 17:15 - Nov 8 by ReslovenSwan1
It is blatantly obvious to most the Declan John, Asoro and Mckay were desperately poor signings by Potters recruitment man. Celina had his moments but in reality is back in league 1. Most fans would take one look at McKay and make a very rapid assessment that he should never been allowed to wear the club shirt. He has no physical presence.
I have put forward the idea that Potter should have used his £7m budget better and to help you out identified two players who were available at that time to support the case. He also had the option of keeping Ayew.
Toney was playing for Peterborough in league 1 and was sold to Brentford eventually for £5m. Had McCauley wanted him the money was made available.
Your methodology is to misrepresent my points in your so called 'clarifications' followed by some sort of slur. It is sub prime behaviour.
No one's denied any of that first paragraph.
No, you out forward that spending 7million on someone else cost us promotion. When of course you couldn't possibly know that. And that's not to mention that we finished 10th.
Did he have the option of keep Ayew? How do you know that? We were even linked with Toney? Was it even an option for us? Or just fantasy? How do you know money would have been made available to spend on Toney?
You're reverting back to pretending these things are facts when you couldn't possibly know. So as I say, you're just making stuff up again. Not sure what it is you think I'm misrepresenting. You said these things, don't blame me when I point that they are fanciful and illogical.
The Russell Martin verdict on 17:30 - Nov 8 by ReslovenSwan1
The Chief goes after almost all my post on almost any subject and makes personal criticisms on each one in the form of mischievous "clarifications". You yourself agreed on one of his nasty slurs not so long ago which was removed by the owner of this forum. I will not tolerate bullying of a persistent sniping kind. It is an unacceptable trait.
Incorrect. I only reply to the ones which contain falicies, misinterpretations and fantasy (and not just to you). Although in fairness most of your posts do fall into this category. You should look at clarifications as your friend. A further chance to get your point across. Not mischievous in the slightest. As I say, if you can't or are unwilling to accept scrutiny or criticism of your posts, give them more thought before posting (just don't make stuff up would be a good start).
The Russell Martin verdict on 17:45 - Nov 8 by Chief
No one's denied any of that first paragraph.
No, you out forward that spending 7million on someone else cost us promotion. When of course you couldn't possibly know that. And that's not to mention that we finished 10th.
Did he have the option of keep Ayew? How do you know that? We were even linked with Toney? Was it even an option for us? Or just fantasy? How do you know money would have been made available to spend on Toney?
You're reverting back to pretending these things are facts when you couldn't possibly know. So as I say, you're just making stuff up again. Not sure what it is you think I'm misrepresenting. You said these things, don't blame me when I point that they are fanciful and illogical.
Mckay, Asoro and John were indisputably poor signings. Celina was hit and miss. £7m wasted in effect.
I am suggesting that had Potter spent his £7m better a play off place should have been achieved comfortably. I gave the examples of two players the club could have bought well within the budget. Cash usually talks at league 1 level and £7m is big budget.
It is an opinion and based on fact supported by players available at the time like Toney. The US owners backed Potter but having seem McKay baulked at £7m for Ryan Woods who also failed to deliver. None of this is fantasy.
A forum based on proven facts is a very dull place. Forums ask for opinions and I give mine.
Nothing fanciful nothing illogical just an opinion. I understand you do not like my opinions but that is life.
The Russell Martin verdict on 18:18 - Nov 8 by ReslovenSwan1
Mckay, Asoro and John were indisputably poor signings. Celina was hit and miss. £7m wasted in effect.
I am suggesting that had Potter spent his £7m better a play off place should have been achieved comfortably. I gave the examples of two players the club could have bought well within the budget. Cash usually talks at league 1 level and £7m is big budget.
It is an opinion and based on fact supported by players available at the time like Toney. The US owners backed Potter but having seem McKay baulked at £7m for Ryan Woods who also failed to deliver. None of this is fantasy.
A forum based on proven facts is a very dull place. Forums ask for opinions and I give mine.
Nothing fanciful nothing illogical just an opinion. I understand you do not like my opinions but that is life.
No one is saying they weren't. Celina was very decent in that season under Potter though.
SUGGESTING - that's better. You're learning. You're not stating things as fact now. Yes now you're saying they're examples. You initially gave the name of Toney as if we decided not to sign him. When in reality, we have no idea if it was ever on the cards or even on our radar. Peterborough signed him from Newcastle that summer, so he probably wasn't on the radar of many Championship clubs anyway. Moderate success on loans is the reason why he ended in league 1. So getting into the detail and timeline makes your claim even more unrealistic. He scored 16 that season in league 1, which isn't particularly impressive. Contrast to us a division above having McBurnie who got more.
So yes, moot point all round. Toney didn't become what we now know him as for a few years to come.
The Russell Martin verdict on 17:30 - Nov 8 by ReslovenSwan1
The Chief goes after almost all my post on almost any subject and makes personal criticisms on each one in the form of mischievous "clarifications". You yourself agreed on one of his nasty slurs not so long ago which was removed by the owner of this forum. I will not tolerate bullying of a persistent sniping kind. It is an unacceptable trait.
The Chief lol i remember reeling him in and kept him hooked for at least a week, once he realised what was going on he had a tantrum and put me on his ignore list.
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The Russell Martin verdict on 21:19 - Nov 8 with 893 views
The Russell Martin verdict on 18:32 - Nov 8 by Chief
No one is saying they weren't. Celina was very decent in that season under Potter though.
SUGGESTING - that's better. You're learning. You're not stating things as fact now. Yes now you're saying they're examples. You initially gave the name of Toney as if we decided not to sign him. When in reality, we have no idea if it was ever on the cards or even on our radar. Peterborough signed him from Newcastle that summer, so he probably wasn't on the radar of many Championship clubs anyway. Moderate success on loans is the reason why he ended in league 1. So getting into the detail and timeline makes your claim even more unrealistic. He scored 16 that season in league 1, which isn't particularly impressive. Contrast to us a division above having McBurnie who got more.
So yes, moot point all round. Toney didn't become what we now know him as for a few years to come.
I am not a lcub insider. I regularly state i am an outsider and my interpretations of events are based on statements and events. I am not in football recruitment.
Swansea wasted £7m and could have bought much better players with that money. All 4 of Potters signing were drummed out by Cooper 3 for n nothing or next to nothing. Who they could have bought instead is up for debate. I gave two possible players to demonstrate there were much better options at that time.
The Russell Martin verdict on 19:06 - Nov 8 by shingle
The Chief lol i remember reeling him in and kept him hooked for at least a week, once he realised what was going on he had a tantrum and put me on his ignore list.
Ah I see so you didn't actually believe that very silly point you made about the Wales managers. You were just out to stir things up! It all makes sense now!
Fair play to your committment though, even going to the trouble of carrying on during actual Swans matches and then scrolling through loads of my old posts and down arrowing them all in the name of a 'bite'.
The Russell Martin verdict on 21:19 - Nov 8 by ReslovenSwan1
I am not a lcub insider. I regularly state i am an outsider and my interpretations of events are based on statements and events. I am not in football recruitment.
Swansea wasted £7m and could have bought much better players with that money. All 4 of Potters signing were drummed out by Cooper 3 for n nothing or next to nothing. Who they could have bought instead is up for debate. I gave two possible players to demonstrate there were much better options at that time.
A far more balanced, realistic and self depreciative post.
The Russell Martin verdict on 21:55 - Nov 8 by Chief
Ah I see so you didn't actually believe that very silly point you made about the Wales managers. You were just out to stir things up! It all makes sense now!
Fair play to your committment though, even going to the trouble of carrying on during actual Swans matches and then scrolling through loads of my old posts and down arrowing them all in the name of a 'bite'.
Hmm the ignore function must be faulty.....
No the point was actually spot on, that is why you fell to pieces over the issue and now even your down arrow issues are obviously bothering you, come to think of it your head went over down arrow issues with a couple of other posters.
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The Russell Martin verdict on 19:13 - Nov 9 with 717 views
The Russell Martin verdict on 18:47 - Nov 9 by shingle
No the point was actually spot on, that is why you fell to pieces over the issue and now even your down arrow issues are obviously bothering you, come to think of it your head went over down arrow issues with a couple of other posters.
Yea those darn down arrows. Making me lose sleep.
Keep scrolling through my posts if you find it therapeutic though. And seems you've been reading them now too?
Well I suppose I'm honoured. It's a stalky though to be honest
The Russell Martin verdict on 19:21 - Nov 9 by ReslovenSwan1
You are stalker in chief Chief. You have been following me around for months. Cue "thats because blah blah etc".
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What you actually mean is that I comment on your more fanciful and illogical posts on actual football related subjects with actual counter points and relevant replies...
Contrast that with what shingles is doing....
You'll note the clear distinction and I expect an apology from yourself for your offensive words.
The Russell Martin verdict on 19:13 - Nov 9 by Chief
Yea those darn down arrows. Making me lose sleep.
Keep scrolling through my posts if you find it therapeutic though. And seems you've been reading them now too?
Well I suppose I'm honoured. It's a stalky though to be honest
You are the one who keeps going on about them pal, no one else brought them up just you, so you obviously have as issue about them, that and getting owned on a previous thread by my good self and a few other posters has become a bit of a problem for you it seems.
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The Russell Martin verdict on 20:08 - Nov 10 with 621 views
The Russell Martin verdict on 18:39 - Nov 10 by shingle
You are the one who keeps going on about them pal, no one else brought them up just you, so you obviously have as issue about them, that and getting owned on a previous thread by my good self and a few other posters has become a bit of a problem for you it seems.
Fair play. No actual content to add to the Martin debate (that's what the thread is actually about).
Instead....just randomly popped up commenting on one of my posts not directed at you, coupled with scrolling back to older posts and down arrowing. As I say maybe I should be honoured that you'd go to that trouble and effort.
For you to suddenly re-appear it looks to me that somehow I have riled you up and it must be still hurting you after all this time.
I'm a nice bloke really, don't take it personally that I showed up your silly viewpoint. Everyone else on that thread including the Resloven one actually disagreed with you, but keep deluding yourself it makes you feel better.
Coleman didn't do a good job a Wales manager. Haha chwarae teg
The Russell Martin verdict on 20:08 - Nov 10 by Chief
Fair play. No actual content to add to the Martin debate (that's what the thread is actually about).
Instead....just randomly popped up commenting on one of my posts not directed at you, coupled with scrolling back to older posts and down arrowing. As I say maybe I should be honoured that you'd go to that trouble and effort.
For you to suddenly re-appear it looks to me that somehow I have riled you up and it must be still hurting you after all this time.
I'm a nice bloke really, don't take it personally that I showed up your silly viewpoint. Everyone else on that thread including the Resloven one actually disagreed with you, but keep deluding yourself it makes you feel better.
Coleman didn't do a good job a Wales manager. Haha chwarae teg
See what i mean you are again mentioning the down arrows again, and then babbling on about this or that from another thread where you got well and truly owned, however you can not disguise that fact you have what is called severe down arrow anxiety.
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The Russell Martin verdict on 18:09 - Nov 11 with 492 views
The Russell Martin verdict on 18:04 - Nov 11 by shingle
See what i mean you are again mentioning the down arrows again, and then babbling on about this or that from another thread where you got well and truly owned, however you can not disguise that fact you have what is called severe down arrow anxiety.
Anyone down arrowing me Shing. I might as well find out who and when,then 10 yrs later bring up the old sheet.
The Russell Martin verdict on 18:09 - Nov 11 by onehunglow
Anyone down arrowing me Shing. I might as well find out who and when,then 10 yrs later bring up the old sheet.
Just found out that the Chief has got a poster in bold print on his living room wall which states, WATCH OUT WATCH OUT THERE IS A DOWN ARROW ABOUT as it helps with his therapy by all accounts.
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The Russell Martin verdict on 19:00 - Nov 11 with 475 views
The Russell Martin verdict on 18:36 - Nov 11 by shingle
Just found out that the Chief has got a poster in bold print on his living room wall which states, WATCH OUT WATCH OUT THERE IS A DOWN ARROW ABOUT as it helps with his therapy by all accounts.
I just hope nobody ignores me. I blame my mother. Not enough love
The Russell Martin verdict on 18:04 - Nov 11 by shingle
See what i mean you are again mentioning the down arrows again, and then babbling on about this or that from another thread where you got well and truly owned, however you can not disguise that fact you have what is called severe down arrow anxiety.
Well yea I'm mentioning the down arrows, pointing out the trouble you are going to do it! I admire the commitment.
Haha you brought up that disagreement on another thread. And for some reason you can't let go, evidenced by you randomly popping back up on this one. And then starting up your down arrow programme again!
"Cookie didn't do a good job as Wales manager" lol
all in the name of a 'bite'. 
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