| Wales and the print media 18:10 - Dec 4 with 5818 views | johnlangy |
The UK press regularly portray Wales as a begging bowl country that has to go cap in hand to Westminster to bail it out. They do this by stating that Wales has a fiscal deficit of £13 billion, that being the difference between Welsh expenditure (£43 billion) and Welsh revenue or taxes (£30 billion). These are the latest figures I’ve seen them quote.
Every proud Welsh person would wish this was not the case. But this is what the UK national newspapers tell us and many people believe it to be the truth.
So, if someone said that that figure was not correct, that the real figure was far less you would all, I would have thought, be glad to hear it. And you’d want to know what the reality was.
It is a statement of fact that many Welsh taxes are registered at the HQ’s of large corporations almost exclusively based in England. And when they are registered in England they are classed as English tax. The amount of Welsh tax registered as English tax is in the billions. The only question is how many billions.
Welsh expenditure with regard to HS2 has been all over the news recently about the fact that Wales is contributing £5 billion toward the HS2 project while not an inch of track will be laid in Wales. As I say, this has been in many newspapers recently but those same papers while commenting on this travesty of fairness then ironically refer to the Welsh deficit that includes that £5 billion.
So if all Welsh taxes were registered as Welsh tax and we did not invest Welsh expenditure in English projects the Welsh fiscal deficit would be reduced substantially. The only question again is by how many billions.
I mention this again (i’ve done it before) because there are some people on this site and elsewhere who don’t want to hear it. They keep repeating the lie about the deficit and ignore the above.
So my question is, why do these posters, presumably Welsh people, ignore these facts ? Are they happy for Wales to be seen as a ‘begging bowl country ?
Perhaps they believe I’m wrong. But I responded with these arguments to one particular poster who quoted the fiscal deficit figures just a few weeks ago and I expected that person to respond, maybe to argue that they are right and I’m wrong. But they didn’t. They just ignored my post.
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| Wales and the print media on 18:58 - Dec 5 with 2046 views | Catullus |
| Wales and the print media on 17:58 - Dec 5 by Kilkennyjack |
Wiki tells us that … There are currently 23 ministerial departments, 20 non-ministerial departments and 413 agencies and other public bodies.
Plenty to replace any work that moves from Wales to England.
I would recruit refugees to give us the numbers we will need. |
How many departments, agencies and public bodies there are is hardly the point. How many jobs are there in total in all of them and how many would be lost if we went Indy?
There will be very few jobs in England that relocate here but plenty here that would be lost. Or do you think the Welsh civil service would need more people than the UK or England?
Then there's the military, how many Wesh people are employed in the armed forces who might face redundancy?
And again, answer the question, what currency would we use?
People said that it would be too hard to extract the UK from the EU after several decades (near enough) but how hard to separate from England after several centuries? | |
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| Wales and the print media on 19:43 - Dec 5 with 2024 views | Boundy |
| Wales and the print media on 18:58 - Dec 5 by Catullus |
How many departments, agencies and public bodies there are is hardly the point. How many jobs are there in total in all of them and how many would be lost if we went Indy?
There will be very few jobs in England that relocate here but plenty here that would be lost. Or do you think the Welsh civil service would need more people than the UK or England?
Then there's the military, how many Wesh people are employed in the armed forces who might face redundancy?
And again, answer the question, what currency would we use?
People said that it would be too hard to extract the UK from the EU after several decades (near enough) but how hard to separate from England after several centuries? |
The thought of leanne wood's face on a bank note doesn't bear thinking about and the less said about nice but dim Mark the better | |
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| Wales and the print media on 21:32 - Dec 5 with 1999 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Wales and the print media on 19:43 - Dec 5 by Boundy |
The thought of leanne wood's face on a bank note doesn't bear thinking about and the less said about nice but dim Mark the better |
Yes - Cymru is the only nation in Europe who lacks the gravitas, cultural icons, and national heroes to stick on a bank note.
You really are twp. |  |
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| Wales and the print media on 09:29 - Dec 6 with 1958 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Wales and the print media on 18:58 - Dec 5 by Catullus |
How many departments, agencies and public bodies there are is hardly the point. How many jobs are there in total in all of them and how many would be lost if we went Indy?
There will be very few jobs in England that relocate here but plenty here that would be lost. Or do you think the Welsh civil service would need more people than the UK or England?
Then there's the military, how many Wesh people are employed in the armed forces who might face redundancy?
And again, answer the question, what currency would we use?
People said that it would be too hard to extract the UK from the EU after several decades (near enough) but how hard to separate from England after several centuries? |
The tiny percentage of welsh independence supporters never seem to have an answer for your points. | |
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| Wales and the print media on 14:08 - Dec 6 with 1906 views | Catullus |
| Wales and the print media on 09:29 - Dec 6 by felixstowe_jack |
The tiny percentage of welsh independence supporters never seem to have an answer for your points. |
Kilky could be a politician, he always avoids answering the question. | |
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| Wales and the print media on 16:26 - Dec 6 with 1892 views | Wingstandwood |
| Wales and the print media on 14:08 - Dec 6 by Catullus |
Kilky could be a politician, he always avoids answering the question. |
Yeah but these Welsh separatists are masters of 'wishful thinking' and 'fantasy' and tell you how Wales will prosper like never before whilst denying decades of Cardiff-centric policy at the expense of the rest of Wales. The trouble is wishful thinking and fantasy is hot air and zero proof!
These Welsh separatists are also great at immersing themselves in romantic imagery and patriotism which? Does not exactly build roads and infrastructure which they don't seem to want anyhow.
That is why they refuse (referred to by them) 'WESTMONSTER' A.K.A. Westminster money to sort out the relief road or alternative. Better Wales have a 1960's transport system, remain backward, remain poor rather than have anything to do with England!
Perish the thought of Wales being interconnected with England and the rest of the U.K hey! Can't have prosperous linkage with the enemy across the bridge mun, after all the English invaded us centuries back with their bows n' arrows and swords n' stuff. |  |
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| Wales and the print media on 16:44 - Dec 6 with 1883 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Wales and the print media on 16:26 - Dec 6 by Wingstandwood |
Yeah but these Welsh separatists are masters of 'wishful thinking' and 'fantasy' and tell you how Wales will prosper like never before whilst denying decades of Cardiff-centric policy at the expense of the rest of Wales. The trouble is wishful thinking and fantasy is hot air and zero proof!
These Welsh separatists are also great at immersing themselves in romantic imagery and patriotism which? Does not exactly build roads and infrastructure which they don't seem to want anyhow.
That is why they refuse (referred to by them) 'WESTMONSTER' A.K.A. Westminster money to sort out the relief road or alternative. Better Wales have a 1960's transport system, remain backward, remain poor rather than have anything to do with England!
Perish the thought of Wales being interconnected with England and the rest of the U.K hey! Can't have prosperous linkage with the enemy across the bridge mun, after all the English invaded us centuries back with their bows n' arrows and swords n' stuff. |
You forgot that Henry Tudor, a pembroke lad, invaded England and was crowned King in 1485, so you could say the Welsh conquered England. | |
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| Wales and the print media on 17:00 - Dec 6 with 1873 views | YrAlarch |
| Wales and the print media on 19:43 - Dec 5 by Boundy |
The thought of leanne wood's face on a bank note doesn't bear thinking about and the less said about nice but dim Mark the better |
One thing he ain't is "dim".
Check out his CV. | | | |
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| Wales and the print media on 17:23 - Dec 6 with 1866 views | Flashberryjack |
| Wales and the print media on 16:41 - Dec 5 by Dr_Winston |
At least 3000 workers at the DVLA would be out of a job for a start. Probably even more than that. |
But Drakeford is giving a free tree to every family in Wales to plant, now that's what you call progressive planning.
just think, in forty years time Wales could well have one of the biggest forests in Europe. |  |
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| Wales and the print media on 17:35 - Dec 6 with 1858 views | Catullus |
| Wales and the print media on 17:23 - Dec 6 by Flashberryjack |
But Drakeford is giving a free tree to every family in Wales to plant, now that's what you call progressive planning.
just think, in forty years time Wales could well have one of the biggest forests in Europe. |
We had a row of 10 trees up the side of our garden, I cut them down. I'm not planting any more.
Where is this forest going, how will I get there?
Are we going to be like the Ewoks of Endor, living in trees. Brings a whole new greenery to "How green was my valley" | |
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| Wales and the print media on 17:35 - Dec 6 with 1859 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Wales and the print media on 17:23 - Dec 6 by Flashberryjack |
But Drakeford is giving a free tree to every family in Wales to plant, now that's what you call progressive planning.
just think, in forty years time Wales could well have one of the biggest forests in Europe. |
No way, 70 percent of Sweden is forest, Sweden plants 380 million trees a year. The estimates for the number of trees in Sweden vary between 50 and 100 Billion. |  |
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| Wales and the print media on 17:41 - Dec 6 with 1856 views | Catullus |
| Wales and the print media on 17:00 - Dec 6 by YrAlarch |
One thing he ain't is "dim".
Check out his CV. |
I wonder what is on Bojo's CV, and Raab...Matt Hancock...Barry Gardiner, Diane Abbott, and many other politicians. | |
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| Wales and the print media on 17:46 - Dec 6 with 1847 views | Wingstandwood |
| Wales and the print media on 16:44 - Dec 6 by felixstowe_jack |
You forgot that Henry Tudor, a pembroke lad, invaded England and was crowned King in 1485, so you could say the Welsh conquered England. |
So basically England by means of lineage and past history could be pretty darn more Welsh than many people realise anyhow? Were hereditary titles bestowed upon Welsh others? And 'the English' have been wrongly perceived as being the only aggressors?
I reckon that'll upset a few of the yokels that prefer castles and hating an English arch-enemy to a modern motorway system and a thriving Welsh economy?
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| Wales and the print media on 18:48 - Dec 6 with 1818 views | Flashberryjack |
| Wales and the print media on 17:35 - Dec 6 by JACKMANANDBOY |
No way, 70 percent of Sweden is forest, Sweden plants 380 million trees a year. The estimates for the number of trees in Sweden vary between 50 and 100 Billion. |
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| Wales and the print media on 19:22 - Dec 6 with 1805 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Wales and the print media on 16:26 - Dec 6 by Wingstandwood |
Yeah but these Welsh separatists are masters of 'wishful thinking' and 'fantasy' and tell you how Wales will prosper like never before whilst denying decades of Cardiff-centric policy at the expense of the rest of Wales. The trouble is wishful thinking and fantasy is hot air and zero proof!
These Welsh separatists are also great at immersing themselves in romantic imagery and patriotism which? Does not exactly build roads and infrastructure which they don't seem to want anyhow.
That is why they refuse (referred to by them) 'WESTMONSTER' A.K.A. Westminster money to sort out the relief road or alternative. Better Wales have a 1960's transport system, remain backward, remain poor rather than have anything to do with England!
Perish the thought of Wales being interconnected with England and the rest of the U.K hey! Can't have prosperous linkage with the enemy across the bridge mun, after all the English invaded us centuries back with their bows n' arrows and swords n' stuff. |
The M4 and the north wales express way are both east-west, so built to extract resources to England.
Transport is devolved.
Any extra funding should simply go to the elected Government of Wales to decide on need.
The days of posh English Tory boys deciding, in London ,on issues for Wales are now gone.
Welsh government will take any additional funding given, but its for Wales to decide what to spend it on.
Johnson is just playing games, and you fall for it every time. Wise up mun. | |
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| Wales and the print media on 19:36 - Dec 6 with 1789 views | Wingstandwood |
| Wales and the print media on 19:22 - Dec 6 by Kilkennyjack |
The M4 and the north wales express way are both east-west, so built to extract resources to England.
Transport is devolved.
Any extra funding should simply go to the elected Government of Wales to decide on need.
The days of posh English Tory boys deciding, in London ,on issues for Wales are now gone.
Welsh government will take any additional funding given, but its for Wales to decide what to spend it on.
Johnson is just playing games, and you fall for it every time. Wise up mun. |
Well bearing in mind the Welsh Goverment wasted £114 million on relief road pathfinding feasibly, planning and consultation process? I will suggest the £114 million spent is evidence enough that a relief road is needed!
Quote yourself: " Any extra funding should simply go to the elected Government of Wales to decide on need". Yeah, and I guess needed money would have been diverted for a Metro overspend and more grandiose Cardiff add-on's. Because that is where all the money is lavished innit!
So if they have wasted £114 million on something they didn't need all along that makes them utterly unfit to govern. And if they needed it, why did they they then kick the idea into the long grass without any alternative being tabled since? That makes them unfit to govern also.
Like what that Welsh business man so aptly pointed out "what happens when that economically vital stretch of road is shut for major repairs".....He got no reply! | |
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| Wales and the print media on 20:51 - Dec 7 with 1692 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Wales and the print media on 19:36 - Dec 6 by Wingstandwood |
Well bearing in mind the Welsh Goverment wasted £114 million on relief road pathfinding feasibly, planning and consultation process? I will suggest the £114 million spent is evidence enough that a relief road is needed!
Quote yourself: " Any extra funding should simply go to the elected Government of Wales to decide on need". Yeah, and I guess needed money would have been diverted for a Metro overspend and more grandiose Cardiff add-on's. Because that is where all the money is lavished innit!
So if they have wasted £114 million on something they didn't need all along that makes them utterly unfit to govern. And if they needed it, why did they they then kick the idea into the long grass without any alternative being tabled since? That makes them unfit to govern also.
Like what that Welsh business man so aptly pointed out "what happens when that economically vital stretch of road is shut for major repairs".....He got no reply! |
Do you think the welsh people are unable to govern themselves ? | |
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| Wales and the print media on 21:11 - Dec 7 with 1676 views | raynor94 |
| Wales and the print media on 20:51 - Dec 7 by Kilkennyjack |
Do you think the welsh people are unable to govern themselves ? |
The Assembly has proved they can't |  |
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| Wales and the print media on 21:38 - Dec 7 with 1670 views | Wingstandwood |
| Wales and the print media on 20:51 - Dec 7 by Kilkennyjack |
Do you think the welsh people are unable to govern themselves ? |
Well considering the separatists NEVER answer extremely serious questions with any (wishful thinking and fantasy aside) sensible replies, solutions or substance currently I guess not!
Maybe you can answer this serious question from a businessman who knows how vital infrastructure is to the prosperity of a country:
Question No 1
"The M4 infrastructure is not only on its last legs, but if no discussions will be had around it at all, what solutions do you intend to have up your sleeve when the inevitable day comes when that part of the M4 needs to shut for major repairs?” Selby asked. “Where do you suggest commuters turn to for alternatives, as I imagine this will be the reality before any public transport solution gets the green light?”
https://www.constructionnews.c
Question No 2 from myself
Bearing in mind how reliant Wales is on ENGLISH NHS specialty centers at ENGLISH NHS: Moorfields London, Queen Elizabeth Hospital Birmingham, Great Ormond Street, Clatterbridge Wirral, Royal Papworth Hospital etc?..... Along with Westminster funded R.A.F (medivac) intervention for specialised patient transferal to some of these centers. How and where will Welsh patients go in dire emergencies when Wales NHS will be a separate entity, no longer under the same NHS umbrella and no longer be obligated to by ENGLISH NHS?
Question3 from myself
And do you think English consultants, doctors and specialised staff will be harder to attract from English NHS health boards because they may very well prefer to serve under the same NHS that they have paid their pensions into whilst also preferring to remain in a lower tax country? Better the devil you know? | |
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| Wales and the print media on 22:03 - Dec 7 with 1656 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Wales and the print media on 21:11 - Dec 7 by raynor94 |
The Assembly has proved they can't |
Why are welsh people ‘they’ ?
To most of us, then welsh people are ‘we’ …. !
Do you work for the BBC or something?
Weird mun. | |
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| Wales and the print media on 22:06 - Dec 7 with 1649 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Wales and the print media on 21:38 - Dec 7 by Wingstandwood |
Well considering the separatists NEVER answer extremely serious questions with any (wishful thinking and fantasy aside) sensible replies, solutions or substance currently I guess not!
Maybe you can answer this serious question from a businessman who knows how vital infrastructure is to the prosperity of a country:
Question No 1
"The M4 infrastructure is not only on its last legs, but if no discussions will be had around it at all, what solutions do you intend to have up your sleeve when the inevitable day comes when that part of the M4 needs to shut for major repairs?” Selby asked. “Where do you suggest commuters turn to for alternatives, as I imagine this will be the reality before any public transport solution gets the green light?”
https://www.constructionnews.c
Question No 2 from myself
Bearing in mind how reliant Wales is on ENGLISH NHS specialty centers at ENGLISH NHS: Moorfields London, Queen Elizabeth Hospital Birmingham, Great Ormond Street, Clatterbridge Wirral, Royal Papworth Hospital etc?..... Along with Westminster funded R.A.F (medivac) intervention for specialised patient transferal to some of these centers. How and where will Welsh patients go in dire emergencies when Wales NHS will be a separate entity, no longer under the same NHS umbrella and no longer be obligated to by ENGLISH NHS?
Question3 from myself
And do you think English consultants, doctors and specialised staff will be harder to attract from English NHS health boards because they may very well prefer to serve under the same NHS that they have paid their pensions into whilst also preferring to remain in a lower tax country? Better the devil you know? |
Crap questions, please try harder. | |
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| Wales and the print media on 22:07 - Dec 7 with 1646 views | Wingstandwood |
| Wales and the print media on 22:06 - Dec 7 by Kilkennyjack |
Crap questions, please try harder. |
I rest my case! | |
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| Wales and the print media on 07:36 - Dec 8 with 1614 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Wales and the print media on 22:06 - Dec 7 by Kilkennyjack |
Crap questions, please try harder. |
Brilliant questions of course he did not answer any of them. | |
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| Wales and the print media on 09:47 - Dec 8 with 1599 views | Catullus |
| Wales and the print media on 07:36 - Dec 8 by felixstowe_jack |
Brilliant questions of course he did not answer any of them. |
If the questions are so crap you'd think he'd have no trouble answering them. That he can only be flippant says a lot. | |
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| Wales and the print media on 15:58 - Dec 8 with 1557 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Wales and the print media on 09:47 - Dec 8 by Catullus |
If the questions are so crap you'd think he'd have no trouble answering them. That he can only be flippant says a lot. |
Easy to answer …
1. transport is devolved, thats it. All other European nations make transport decisions for themselves without Westmonster getting involved. Same for Cymru. Think the HS2 great train robbery for Cymru. Disgraceful.
2. All other European nations provide full citizen healthcare without Westmonster being involved. This is just normal. The fact Wales does not have that in place today is down entirely to UK govt decisions over decades. Wales always put last.
3. As Johnson privatises the English NHS, then good people will want to work in Wales. Wales will stay true to Nye’s vision. NHS England will be an insurance scheme like the States.
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