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The UK press regularly portray Wales as a begging bowl country that has to go cap in hand to Westminster to bail it out. They do this by stating that Wales has a fiscal deficit of £13 billion, that being the difference between Welsh expenditure (£43 billion) and Welsh revenue or taxes (£30 billion). These are the latest figures I’ve seen them quote.
Every proud Welsh person would wish this was not the case. But this is what the UK national newspapers tell us and many people believe it to be the truth.
So, if someone said that that figure was not correct, that the real figure was far less you would all, I would have thought, be glad to hear it. And you’d want to know what the reality was.
It is a statement of fact that many Welsh taxes are registered at the HQ’s of large corporations almost exclusively based in England. And when they are registered in England they are classed as English tax. The amount of Welsh tax registered as English tax is in the billions. The only question is how many billions.
Welsh expenditure with regard to HS2 has been all over the news recently about the fact that Wales is contributing £5 billion toward the HS2 project while not an inch of track will be laid in Wales. As I say, this has been in many newspapers recently but those same papers while commenting on this travesty of fairness then ironically refer to the Welsh deficit that includes that £5 billion.
So if all Welsh taxes were registered as Welsh tax and we did not invest Welsh expenditure in English projects the Welsh fiscal deficit would be reduced substantially. The only question again is by how many billions.
I mention this again (i’ve done it before) because there are some people on this site and elsewhere who don’t want to hear it. They keep repeating the lie about the deficit and ignore the above.
So my question is, why do these posters, presumably Welsh people, ignore these facts ? Are they happy for Wales to be seen as a ‘begging bowl country ?
Perhaps they believe I’m wrong. But I responded with these arguments to one particular poster who quoted the fiscal deficit figures just a few weeks ago and I expected that person to respond, maybe to argue that they are right and I’m wrong. But they didn’t. They just ignored my post.
Maybe that person will respond this time.
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Wales and the print media on 16:08 - Dec 8 with 956 views
Wales and the print media on 15:58 - Dec 8 by Kilkennyjack
Easy to answer …
1. transport is devolved, thats it. All other European nations make transport decisions for themselves without Westmonster getting involved. Same for Cymru. Think the HS2 great train robbery for Cymru. Disgraceful.
2. All other European nations provide full citizen healthcare without Westmonster being involved. This is just normal. The fact Wales does not have that in place today is down entirely to UK govt decisions over decades. Wales always put last.
3. As Johnson privatises the English NHS, then good people will want to work in Wales. Wales will stay true to Nye’s vision. NHS England will be an insurance scheme like the States.
Try to educate yourself ðŸ‘
Now those answers are truly crap.
1, The Senedd is doing nothing to improve infrastructure beyond South east Wales. It's a disgrace that so much of Wales is left to stagnate.
2 What does "all other" matter to us? It's what we will have, what we can do that will matter. The Welsh NHS is devolved too and its in a right mess after 20 years of WG rule.
3 If Wales keeps a free NHS but Englands is privatised we'll have English residents flooding the borders to get free treatment, it'd be a nightmare. Besides which even Bojo isn't dumb enough to privatise the NHS.
Educate myself you say, you have a child like grasp of the world. I thought I was an idealist but I can wish for something even while knowing the realities. You just post Utopian fantasies that will never happen.
Wales and the print media on 15:58 - Dec 8 by Kilkennyjack
Easy to answer …
1. transport is devolved, thats it. All other European nations make transport decisions for themselves without Westmonster getting involved. Same for Cymru. Think the HS2 great train robbery for Cymru. Disgraceful.
2. All other European nations provide full citizen healthcare without Westmonster being involved. This is just normal. The fact Wales does not have that in place today is down entirely to UK govt decisions over decades. Wales always put last.
3. As Johnson privatises the English NHS, then good people will want to work in Wales. Wales will stay true to Nye’s vision. NHS England will be an insurance scheme like the States.
And 'full citizen healthcare' to provide specialised services to Welsh patients is not even there in the first place meaning Welsh patients will suffer and die waiting YEARS (if at all) for services to be set up in the meantime during full independence.
Aye, waiting for a bunch of incompetent Yokels that can not even build a relief road after decades. The resignation of SW Wales regional head of cancer services in protest to get VITAL radiotherapy/scanning kit for his patients at Singleton Hospital when the WAG was up and running says it all! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/south_west/6122918.stm
North Walian cancer patients have to go across the border for treatment! Restructuring of a Welsh healthcare system is far more complicated than a 'relief road'. North Walians had to set up their own fundraising to get vital (Linear Accelerator Radiotherapy machine) radiotherapy kit on their own side of the border when the WAG was running in Cardfff Bay. But all things go to Cardiff hey!
And it'll be human nature for any healthcare professional from England or overseas to go to the health board or hospital belonging to THE lowest-taxed-country! The decision won't be made from listening to stirring songs of Welsh defiance, yokel-insularity and separatism. Their decisions will be made by what goes into their bank balance.
Your replies were 'wishful' thinking' and 'absolute fantasy', nothing more, nothing less i.e. all daydreaming superficial cr@p just this sketch.
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Argus!
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Wales and the print media on 16:50 - Dec 8 with 932 views
Wales and the print media on 20:31 - Dec 10 by Kilkennyjack
Crap time to be a Tory, eh Felix ?
Its a bit like when your partner is having an affair, you are always the last to know.
Johnson out. God bless the EU. 🇪🇺ðŸ™ðŸ¿
A great time not to be a Labour supporter who even during a pandemic cannot cone up with any new policies.
Meanwhile the EU still lags way behind the UK vaccination rate. Over in Germany we are seeing the disastrous results of their decision to close down their safe nuclear power stations and they now rely on coal and Russian gad to generate their electricity and they are under Putin's thumb.
Wales and the print media on 17:42 - Dec 13 by Flashberryjack
Ystradgynlais, valley boy.
I do wonder if he is now more 'Lambeth Palace boy' at heart? He did rather leave Wales to reside there! If he loved Wales so much and was soooooo patriotic he would have stayed surely? To go to England? Of all places?
You know?... Official 'Archbishop Of Canterbury' residence (SE1 London postcode) type of boy as opposed to 'local lad' type of boy of late?
Yearning for Welsh independence oblivious to disgraceful Cardiff and rest of Wales partition? He could be suffering from 'remote-delusion' and bias'? Easy to be detached from reality when you've spent little time there?
Argus!
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Wales and the print media on 19:14 - Dec 13 with 625 views
Wales and the print media on 18:38 - Dec 13 by Wingstandwood
I do wonder if he is now more 'Lambeth Palace boy' at heart? He did rather leave Wales to reside there! If he loved Wales so much and was soooooo patriotic he would have stayed surely? To go to England? Of all places?
You know?... Official 'Archbishop Of Canterbury' residence (SE1 London postcode) type of boy as opposed to 'local lad' type of boy of late?
Yearning for Welsh independence oblivious to disgraceful Cardiff and rest of Wales partition? He could be suffering from 'remote-delusion' and bias'? Easy to be detached from reality when you've spent little time there?
There's a pattern there, the number of people from SW Wales who make it big (or at east bigger) and move away who simply divest themselves of any loyalty to the area they are from. Drakeford, Rowan, Heseltine...move to the big city and become a VW front bonnet!
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