| Russia invade Ukraine 14:17 - Dec 23 with 151356 views | Flynnidine_Zidownes |
Discuss.
Also why is Putin always described in the media as this rugged strongman? He’s barely five foot tall with his high heels on.
But that’s another debate.
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 10:23 - Mar 26 with 1047 views | controversial_jack |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 10:09 - Mar 26 by Flynnidine_Zidownes |
You consider it “nonsense propaganda” when it paints Russia in a bad light but when the Russian ministry of truth issues a statement condemning Ukrainian kindergarten nazi toddlers for viciously and aggressively head butting the heroic Russian peacekeeping vacuum bombs you accept it without question. |
I condemn Russia for what it's doing, but the west and particularly the US has done far worse.
Before we get too upset with Putin invading Ukraine, let's not forget what we did to Iraq.
For him to be a bigger bastard than we were, he'll have to kill between 400,000 and a million and a half Ukrainians, many of them innocent women and children, which is what we did to the Iraqis.
Let's see if he manages to kill more Ukrainians than we did Iraqis. Then we can see who is the more evil empire. What Putin won't do is destabilize an entire region, like we did in the Middle East | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 10:43 - Mar 26 with 1033 views | Flynnidine_Zidownes |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 10:23 - Mar 26 by controversial_jack |
I condemn Russia for what it's doing, but the west and particularly the US has done far worse.
Before we get too upset with Putin invading Ukraine, let's not forget what we did to Iraq.
For him to be a bigger bastard than we were, he'll have to kill between 400,000 and a million and a half Ukrainians, many of them innocent women and children, which is what we did to the Iraqis.
Let's see if he manages to kill more Ukrainians than we did Iraqis. Then we can see who is the more evil empire. What Putin won't do is destabilize an entire region, like we did in the Middle East |
You heard it here first folks. We can’t get upset with Putin bringing us to the brink of world war three and total nuclear annihilation because of something we did a number of decades ago.
Fantastic logic and priorities. | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 11:08 - Mar 26 with 1017 views | controversial_jack |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 10:43 - Mar 26 by Flynnidine_Zidownes |
You heard it here first folks. We can’t get upset with Putin bringing us to the brink of world war three and total nuclear annihilation because of something we did a number of decades ago.
Fantastic logic and priorities. |
Did you condemn the US and Britain at the time? | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 11:33 - Mar 26 with 1001 views | controversial_jack |
It seems as if if tanks have had their day . Seems Russia want's to bomb the Ukraine into submission as they are losing troops | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 11:37 - Mar 26 with 998 views | Scotia |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 11:33 - Mar 26 by controversial_jack |
It seems as if if tanks have had their day . Seems Russia want's to bomb the Ukraine into submission as they are losing troops |
Did we bomb a civilian population in to submission in Iraq? | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 11:51 - Mar 26 with 996 views | controversial_jack |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 11:37 - Mar 26 by Scotia |
Did we bomb a civilian population in to submission in Iraq? |
Yes! We destroyed the infrastructure, disbanded the military and police, displaced thousands and created millions of refugees and destablilized the entire middle eastern region | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 12:15 - Mar 26 with 983 views | Flynnidine_Zidownes |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 11:08 - Mar 26 by controversial_jack |
Did you condemn the US and Britain at the time? |
Yes I did. I was one of the several million that marched in London. Fat lot of good it did though. | | | |
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 12:20 - Mar 26 with 982 views | controversial_jack |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 12:15 - Mar 26 by Flynnidine_Zidownes |
Yes I did. I was one of the several million that marched in London. Fat lot of good it did though. |
Good for you. This is not about taking sides, It's not like a football match where we have to defend our side against all comers, we have to look at conflicts impartially as good historians and investigative journalists do. | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 12:54 - Mar 26 with 971 views | Boundy |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 12:20 - Mar 26 by controversial_jack |
Good for you. This is not about taking sides, It's not like a football match where we have to defend our side against all comers, we have to look at conflicts impartially as good historians and investigative journalists do. |
I assume by your last sentence you're one of either or both ? | |
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 12:58 - Mar 26 with 969 views | Scotia |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 11:51 - Mar 26 by controversial_jack |
Yes! We destroyed the infrastructure, disbanded the military and police, displaced thousands and created millions of refugees and destablilized the entire middle eastern region |
I didn't ask if we disbanded the military, destroyed infrastructure, created refugees and unstabilized the region.
I asked if we deliberately targeted civilian populations.
We didn't. Putin is, in addition to the other things too. | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 13:06 - Mar 26 with 964 views | Lorax |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 10:23 - Mar 26 by controversial_jack |
I condemn Russia for what it's doing, but the west and particularly the US has done far worse.
Before we get too upset with Putin invading Ukraine, let's not forget what we did to Iraq.
For him to be a bigger bastard than we were, he'll have to kill between 400,000 and a million and a half Ukrainians, many of them innocent women and children, which is what we did to the Iraqis.
Let's see if he manages to kill more Ukrainians than we did Iraqis. Then we can see who is the more evil empire. What Putin won't do is destabilize an entire region, like we did in the Middle East |
You have completely lost the plot. Murder is murder whoever does it, a war crime is a war crime whoever does it.
Putin hasn't just destabilised a region, he has destabilised most of the world. Oil and gas prices, food prices, all rising dramatically across the world because of Putin.
Millions of displaced people looking for a safe haven.
Look up the list of Russia's military conflicts since 1991 and ask yourself how many may have died.
Ask yourself how many Russians have been falsely imprisoned for speaking against Putin
Chechnya, Georgia, Transnistria, Abkhazia, Prigorodny, Tajikistan, Dagestan, North Caucasus and all that's happened in Ukraine, Crimea, Luhansk and Donetsk and the full invasion.
Your condemn Russia but "before we get too upset"? I apologise to the site owner for this but you are spouting utter bollocks. | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 13:30 - Mar 26 with 957 views | Boundy |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 09:23 - Mar 26 by controversial_jack |
Total nonsense mate,. This isn't ww2 The Russians would have been prepared for this and well supplied. Russia is a lot colder than the Ukraine.There hasn't been any significant ground snow in Kiev in march. Russian tanks didn't get bogged down in the horrendous mud of ww2, where conditions were much worse ,while the German ones tended to. Russian missile technology is first class, probably the worlds best. Generals do not usually fight on the frontline, they are usually in Divisional HQ or similar
I'm sure the Ukranians are holding their own and excellent if they are, but if it carries on then attrition will wear them down soon enough, but i'm skeptical of the reports that are coming back and we have to be realistic |
Its so easy to counter your wild claims .Snow has fallen throughout March and with it when it thaws creates a morass of churned up ground . Why do you think Russian tanks carry wood poles on their tanks ?
Can you explain why so many generals have been killed thus far , even Ivan has admitted these deaths have occurred .its going so well for Russia even Chechen's Kadyrovites have returned home after losing so many "fighters" . | |
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 13:57 - Mar 26 with 946 views | controversial_jack |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 13:06 - Mar 26 by Lorax |
You have completely lost the plot. Murder is murder whoever does it, a war crime is a war crime whoever does it.
Putin hasn't just destabilised a region, he has destabilised most of the world. Oil and gas prices, food prices, all rising dramatically across the world because of Putin.
Millions of displaced people looking for a safe haven.
Look up the list of Russia's military conflicts since 1991 and ask yourself how many may have died.
Ask yourself how many Russians have been falsely imprisoned for speaking against Putin
Chechnya, Georgia, Transnistria, Abkhazia, Prigorodny, Tajikistan, Dagestan, North Caucasus and all that's happened in Ukraine, Crimea, Luhansk and Donetsk and the full invasion.
Your condemn Russia but "before we get too upset"? I apologise to the site owner for this but you are spouting utter bollocks. |
How has he destabilized Eastern Europe? Oil and gas prices rose before the conflict.
The US since WW2, in Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Lebanon, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Grenada, Libya, Persian Gulf, Panama, the Gulf War, Somalia, Bosnia, Herzegovina, Croatia, Haiti, Serbia, Afghanistan, Yemen, Iraq, Pakistan, Uganda, Syria, sometimes twice in the same places.
How many wars have Russia started since then?
A few. Afghanistan, Chechnya and Crimea spring to mind, as well as them helping Bashar al-Assad in Syria. Also, Russia put down a number of uprisings against them in Eastern Europe–in Czechoslovakia, Hungary and East Germany. | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 14:01 - Mar 26 with 943 views | DJack |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 09:23 - Mar 26 by controversial_jack |
Total nonsense mate,. This isn't ww2 The Russians would have been prepared for this and well supplied. Russia is a lot colder than the Ukraine.There hasn't been any significant ground snow in Kiev in march. Russian tanks didn't get bogged down in the horrendous mud of ww2, where conditions were much worse ,while the German ones tended to. Russian missile technology is first class, probably the worlds best. Generals do not usually fight on the frontline, they are usually in Divisional HQ or similar
I'm sure the Ukranians are holding their own and excellent if they are, but if it carries on then attrition will wear them down soon enough, but i'm skeptical of the reports that are coming back and we have to be realistic |
For the mud issue look up "raputitsa".
As for Russia prepared for this look up the fact that Putin only informed, Shoigu, Gerasimov, the head of FSB and a few others. This was demonstrated by the fact that in their desperation to gain ground that their BTG's sent unsupported elements forward, contrary to their doctrine and thus leaving those forward elements at the mercy of the Ukraine's forces.
Russia was lucky that Ukraine took a few days to get rolling. Admittedly if Russia had actually prepared for a full blown invasion and executed the necessary logistics and air superiority campaign to support the BTG's then Kyiv would have been encircled and probably been under Russian control by now.
A point on the numeracy of the russian BTG's ... once they lose 30% of their platforms then that BGT is essentially inoperable/destroyed - that's around 4/5 tanks plus a certain amount of smaller armour. The Russians are not geared up to inserting the necessary troops/equipment in situ to undo this, they have to withdraw and rebuild. We are also seeing that a large proportion of the BTG's are very old equipment and thay are also poorly maintained thus downgrading the effectiveness of these BTG. Additionally the other BTG's have little or no combat experience and have done little or no battle-exercises. |  |
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 14:01 - Mar 26 with 943 views | controversial_jack |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 13:30 - Mar 26 by Boundy |
Its so easy to counter your wild claims .Snow has fallen throughout March and with it when it thaws creates a morass of churned up ground . Why do you think Russian tanks carry wood poles on their tanks ?
Can you explain why so many generals have been killed thus far , even Ivan has admitted these deaths have occurred .its going so well for Russia even Chechen's Kadyrovites have returned home after losing so many "fighters" . |
Kiev had light snow on March 8th
https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/ukraine/kyiv/historic?month=3&year=2022 | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 14:15 - Mar 26 with 937 views | majorraglan |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 11:51 - Mar 26 by controversial_jack |
Yes! We destroyed the infrastructure, disbanded the military and police, displaced thousands and created millions of refugees and destablilized the entire middle eastern region |
We may have caused a lot of problems in Iraq, but look what Putin and Assad have done in Syria.
Ukraine is a democratic nation with a freely elected president and Putin wans to turn it back 8n to a fiefdom against the wishes of the population. | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 14:22 - Mar 26 with 935 views | Flynnidine_Zidownes |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 12:20 - Mar 26 by controversial_jack |
Good for you. This is not about taking sides, It's not like a football match where we have to defend our side against all comers, we have to look at conflicts impartially as good historians and investigative journalists do. |
No we don’t have to look at conflicts impartially. That’s nonsense. We are human beings with empathy (or at least some of us are) therefore when children are getting vacuum bombed in Europe in 2022 for absolutely no reason we have every right to criticise and condemn the maniacs doing it. And anyone who goes out of their way to support, condone, deflect from or defend these actions should be called out for being a ball achingly stupid idiot.
No doubt if you were around in 1939 you’d be claiming it’s all the wests fault. Before we get too upset about Hitler and the holocaust let’s point out that lots of zulus were killed at Rorkes Drift or something.
Impartial my big sweaty smelly hairy arse. | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 14:24 - Mar 26 with 935 views | controversial_jack |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 14:15 - Mar 26 by majorraglan |
We may have caused a lot of problems in Iraq, but look what Putin and Assad have done in Syria.
Ukraine is a democratic nation with a freely elected president and Putin wans to turn it back 8n to a fiefdom against the wishes of the population. |
Syria was a civil war. The legit govt of Assad was backed by Russia, the opposition backed by the US. ISIS was deemed to be a problem there ,and iSIS was formed because of the US led invasion of IRAQ
Ukraine was a democratic legit govt until the US backed coup by the far right in 2013, but they have had elections since, but their parliament and military is riddled with far right extremists and Neo NAZIS | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 14:28 - Mar 26 with 934 views | controversial_jack |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 14:22 - Mar 26 by Flynnidine_Zidownes |
No we don’t have to look at conflicts impartially. That’s nonsense. We are human beings with empathy (or at least some of us are) therefore when children are getting vacuum bombed in Europe in 2022 for absolutely no reason we have every right to criticise and condemn the maniacs doing it. And anyone who goes out of their way to support, condone, deflect from or defend these actions should be called out for being a ball achingly stupid idiot.
No doubt if you were around in 1939 you’d be claiming it’s all the wests fault. Before we get too upset about Hitler and the holocaust let’s point out that lots of zulus were killed at Rorkes Drift or something.
Impartial my big sweaty smelly hairy arse. |
So, do you think the allied strategic bombing of Germany during WW2 , Dresden , Hamburg, Cologne, Tokyo, etc was justified, after all there were thousands of women and children killed there. I believe it wasn't justified. | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 14:57 - Mar 26 with 920 views | DJack |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 14:24 - Mar 26 by controversial_jack |
Syria was a civil war. The legit govt of Assad was backed by Russia, the opposition backed by the US. ISIS was deemed to be a problem there ,and iSIS was formed because of the US led invasion of IRAQ
Ukraine was a democratic legit govt until the US backed coup by the far right in 2013, but they have had elections since, but their parliament and military is riddled with far right extremists and Neo NAZIS |
It was a peoples coup against a puppet government and they then backed it up with a democratic election which had a voter turn out of 73%. The Nazi's have ZERO representation in government and their share of votes has crashed (combined far right groups) to 2%.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-60853404 | |
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 15:17 - Mar 26 with 907 views | controversial_jack |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 14:57 - Mar 26 by DJack |
It was a peoples coup against a puppet government and they then backed it up with a democratic election which had a voter turn out of 73%. The Nazi's have ZERO representation in government and their share of votes has crashed (combined far right groups) to 2%.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-60853404 |
The background and implications of the 2014 far-right coup in Kiev, which overthrew the pro-Russian President Viktor Yanukovych, is critical for understanding the current Ukraine-Russia war. This coup was openly supported by US and European imperialism and implemented primarily by far-right shock troops such as the Right Sector and the neo-Nazi Svoboda Party.
Amidst the ongoing military confrontation with Russia, reports have emerged proving that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky is seeking to appoint the far-right Serhiy Sternenko as head of Ukraine’s Security Service (SBU) in Odessa, in an attempt to further his alliance with neo-Nazi forces.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/1/who-are-the-azov-regiment
The far right is everywhere in the Ukraine | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 16:48 - Mar 26 with 886 views | DJack |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 15:17 - Mar 26 by controversial_jack |
The background and implications of the 2014 far-right coup in Kiev, which overthrew the pro-Russian President Viktor Yanukovych, is critical for understanding the current Ukraine-Russia war. This coup was openly supported by US and European imperialism and implemented primarily by far-right shock troops such as the Right Sector and the neo-Nazi Svoboda Party.
Amidst the ongoing military confrontation with Russia, reports have emerged proving that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky is seeking to appoint the far-right Serhiy Sternenko as head of Ukraine’s Security Service (SBU) in Odessa, in an attempt to further his alliance with neo-Nazi forces.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/1/who-are-the-azov-regiment
The far right is everywhere in the Ukraine |
That article references 2010-2015. Things have moved on, whilst Russia's pet mercenaries,The Wagner Group, CURRENTLY have neo-nazi's in their ranks. | |
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 22:57 - Mar 26 with 850 views | Lorax |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 13:57 - Mar 26 by controversial_jack |
How has he destabilized Eastern Europe? Oil and gas prices rose before the conflict.
The US since WW2, in Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Lebanon, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Grenada, Libya, Persian Gulf, Panama, the Gulf War, Somalia, Bosnia, Herzegovina, Croatia, Haiti, Serbia, Afghanistan, Yemen, Iraq, Pakistan, Uganda, Syria, sometimes twice in the same places.
How many wars have Russia started since then?
A few. Afghanistan, Chechnya and Crimea spring to mind, as well as them helping Bashar al-Assad in Syria. Also, Russia put down a number of uprisings against them in Eastern Europe–in Czechoslovakia, Hungary and East Germany. |
How has he destabilised eastern Europe.......seriously? To start with over 3.8 million refugees have left Ukraine with over 6.5 million Ukrainians displaced the refugee numbers are bound to rise.
Over 1 million refugees have gone to Poland and they have to cope with all the price rises too, as well as worry about Putins next moves.
The Baltic states have to cope with price rises too and they are on high alert also.
Oil and gas prices did rise before the invasion but they have risen even more quickly since and food prices were also rising but again, rising more quickly since the invasion. Not to forget gas prices were rising because Russia was holding back supplies in the run up to the invasion.
I listed the conflicts Russia has started.
here you go, from Canada,
https://ici.radio-canada.ca/rci/en/news/1869720/putins-war-has-destabilized-the- | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 22:59 - Mar 26 with 847 views | Boundy |
You do realise that snow was on the ground prior to the 8th March  | |
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