| Russia invade Ukraine 14:17 - Dec 23 with 152997 views | Flynnidine_Zidownes |
Discuss.
Also why is Putin always described in the media as this rugged strongman? He’s barely five foot tall with his high heels on.
But that’s another debate.
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 23:11 - Mar 26 with 1438 views | Lorax |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 16:48 - Mar 26 by DJack |
That article references 2010-2015. Things have moved on, whilst Russia's pet mercenaries,The Wagner Group, CURRENTLY have neo-nazi's in their ranks. |
I have pointed out to him more than once, there are more Neo Nazi's in Russia than anywhere else.
I have also (as have others) pointed out that Zelenskyy is a Jew. he is not a Neo nazi but some of his soldiers are.
CJ seems determined to make excuses for Russia in all this. | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 10:22 - Mar 27 with 1370 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 13:57 - Mar 26 by controversial_jack |
How has he destabilized Eastern Europe? Oil and gas prices rose before the conflict.
The US since WW2, in Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Lebanon, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Grenada, Libya, Persian Gulf, Panama, the Gulf War, Somalia, Bosnia, Herzegovina, Croatia, Haiti, Serbia, Afghanistan, Yemen, Iraq, Pakistan, Uganda, Syria, sometimes twice in the same places.
How many wars have Russia started since then?
A few. Afghanistan, Chechnya and Crimea spring to mind, as well as them helping Bashar al-Assad in Syria. Also, Russia put down a number of uprisings against them in Eastern Europe–in Czechoslovakia, Hungary and East Germany. |
Correct USSR crushed any attempts by the people of soviet occupied European states to gain independence, Hungary, Czechoslvakia and East Germany. History will tell.you they all independence after the Collapse of USSR in 1989. | |
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 10:36 - Mar 27 with 1363 views | controversial_jack |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 22:57 - Mar 26 by Lorax |
How has he destabilised eastern Europe.......seriously? To start with over 3.8 million refugees have left Ukraine with over 6.5 million Ukrainians displaced the refugee numbers are bound to rise.
Over 1 million refugees have gone to Poland and they have to cope with all the price rises too, as well as worry about Putins next moves.
The Baltic states have to cope with price rises too and they are on high alert also.
Oil and gas prices did rise before the invasion but they have risen even more quickly since and food prices were also rising but again, rising more quickly since the invasion. Not to forget gas prices were rising because Russia was holding back supplies in the run up to the invasion.
I listed the conflicts Russia has started.
here you go, from Canada,
https://ici.radio-canada.ca/rci/en/news/1869720/putins-war-has-destabilized-the- |
As far as i'm aware. Poland, the Baltic states, Moldova and most of Europe is operating normally.Yes, they have an additional burden, but their economies, infrastructures and political systems are still operating as normal
Oil prices have dropped. price rises and inflation are not desirable, but that doesn't indicate a destabilization of the entire region of Europe
Contrast that to what has happened in the middle east | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 11:10 - Mar 27 with 1345 views | Lorax |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 10:36 - Mar 27 by controversial_jack |
As far as i'm aware. Poland, the Baltic states, Moldova and most of Europe is operating normally.Yes, they have an additional burden, but their economies, infrastructures and political systems are still operating as normal
Oil prices have dropped. price rises and inflation are not desirable, but that doesn't indicate a destabilization of the entire region of Europe
Contrast that to what has happened in the middle east |
What has happened in the middle east? The middle east is always unstable, it's a war no Western alliance can win because the people are so badly split along religious lines. Even the same religion has different sects that fight each other, like the Sunni and Shia.
Europe isn't unstable like that BUT, by recent standards Europe is currently quite unstable because of Putin's war.
If having to deal with millions of refugees is operating normally in your eyes, mayeb you need to open them a bit wider because at the moment they are wide shut, or maybe remove the blinkers? | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 12:50 - Mar 27 with 1336 views | controversial_jack |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 11:10 - Mar 27 by Lorax |
What has happened in the middle east? The middle east is always unstable, it's a war no Western alliance can win because the people are so badly split along religious lines. Even the same religion has different sects that fight each other, like the Sunni and Shia.
Europe isn't unstable like that BUT, by recent standards Europe is currently quite unstable because of Putin's war.
If having to deal with millions of refugees is operating normally in your eyes, mayeb you need to open them a bit wider because at the moment they are wide shut, or maybe remove the blinkers? |
Some interesting reading about the far right in the Ukraine
https://thegrayzone.com/2022/03/04/nazis-ukrainian-war-russia/ | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 13:09 - Mar 27 with 1330 views | Scotia |
Do you realise that is written by a journalist who works for Sputnik and Russia Today? | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 13:38 - Mar 27 with 1320 views | controversial_jack |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 13:09 - Mar 27 by Scotia |
Do you realise that is written by a journalist who works for Sputnik and Russia Today? |
So ? | | | |
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 13:43 - Mar 27 with 1318 views | Lorax |
The grayzone...
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Good grief, no wonder you are sticking up for Russia if that's your go to source of info. And people say the MSM is biased without even a hint of irony when their own sources aren't just biased, they are warped. | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 13:44 - Mar 27 with 1316 views | Lorax |
SOOoooo, you do realise an RT journo is hardly likely to produce unbiased info? | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 13:49 - Mar 27 with 1314 views | controversial_jack |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 13:44 - Mar 27 by Lorax |
SOOoooo, you do realise an RT journo is hardly likely to produce unbiased info? |
He's an independant journo. Why do ppl think anything other than western sources are biased? There are loads of different sources about the influence if the right wing in the Ukraine.
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 15:22 - Mar 27 with 1293 views | majorraglan |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 14:24 - Mar 26 by controversial_jack |
Syria was a civil war. The legit govt of Assad was backed by Russia, the opposition backed by the US. ISIS was deemed to be a problem there ,and iSIS was formed because of the US led invasion of IRAQ
Ukraine was a democratic legit govt until the US backed coup by the far right in 2013, but they have had elections since, but their parliament and military is riddled with far right extremists and Neo NAZIS |
Not quite a US backed coup!
In 2004 the Ukrainian Parliament introduced a new constitution approved by 90% of members which limited the Presidential powers, the selection of the Prime Minister and some key post holders became the responsibility of Parliament while the President gained some additional powers including the ability to dissolve Parliament.
In October 2010, 8 months after Yanukovych came to power the Constitutional Court overturned the 2004 amendments and country reverted to the pre 2004 Constitution. In the run up to the decision, 4 Judges resigned from the Constitutional Court and there were reports the Judges were subject to external pressure from the Executive. The decision was highly controversial as Constitutional Courts are bound by the Constitution and do not stand above it, there were significant concerns about the impact on democracy.
Yanukovych was named by Transparency International the top example of corruption in the world.
In November 2013 there were huge protests after Yanukovych’s Ukrainian government decided not to sign the EU -Ukrainian Agreement but to seek closer ties with Russia - despite the Ukrainian Parliament voting to progress the E.U. deal. This started a wave of protesters which were fuelled by fears of corruption, oligarch influence, abuse of Human Rights and a failure to release a “ political prisoner”. Following months of anti government protests, in February 2014 it was agreed that a government of national unity would be created - Yanukovych and some of his associates subsequently fled the country for Russia and Putin invaded later in 2014. | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 16:05 - Mar 27 with 1280 views | controversial_jack |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 15:22 - Mar 27 by majorraglan |
Not quite a US backed coup!
In 2004 the Ukrainian Parliament introduced a new constitution approved by 90% of members which limited the Presidential powers, the selection of the Prime Minister and some key post holders became the responsibility of Parliament while the President gained some additional powers including the ability to dissolve Parliament.
In October 2010, 8 months after Yanukovych came to power the Constitutional Court overturned the 2004 amendments and country reverted to the pre 2004 Constitution. In the run up to the decision, 4 Judges resigned from the Constitutional Court and there were reports the Judges were subject to external pressure from the Executive. The decision was highly controversial as Constitutional Courts are bound by the Constitution and do not stand above it, there were significant concerns about the impact on democracy.
Yanukovych was named by Transparency International the top example of corruption in the world.
In November 2013 there were huge protests after Yanukovych’s Ukrainian government decided not to sign the EU -Ukrainian Agreement but to seek closer ties with Russia - despite the Ukrainian Parliament voting to progress the E.U. deal. This started a wave of protesters which were fuelled by fears of corruption, oligarch influence, abuse of Human Rights and a failure to release a “ political prisoner”. Following months of anti government protests, in February 2014 it was agreed that a government of national unity would be created - Yanukovych and some of his associates subsequently fled the country for Russia and Putin invaded later in 2014. |
It wasn't a Us backed coup?
https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2018/06/04/how-and-why-the-u-s-government-perpetrated | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 19:20 - Mar 27 with 1240 views | Lorax |
It was USA backed yes but, the more important point is surely that it was what the people of Ukraine wanted?
Yanukovych had ridden roughshod over their parliament and was accused of breaking their constitution.
The history of that coup and what has followed doesn't make great reading for the USA or the EU mind.
https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2018/06/04/how-and-why-the-u-s-government-perpetrated
For the USA it was about having an anti Russian government there but all the Eu cared about was their "investors" so the EU chased the money, again. Just like some EU states did when they stalled on sanctions against Russia after this full invasion. | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 21:56 - Mar 27 with 1203 views | Boundy |
OK Michael Fish , | |
| "In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master." |
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 01:16 - Mar 28 with 1186 views | DJack |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 23:11 - Mar 26 by Lorax |
I have pointed out to him more than once, there are more Neo Nazi's in Russia than anywhere else.
I have also (as have others) pointed out that Zelenskyy is a Jew. he is not a Neo nazi but some of his soldiers are.
CJ seems determined to make excuses for Russia in all this. |
I know mate, I know. |  |
| It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan |
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 11:53 - Mar 28 with 1142 views | controversial_jack |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 19:20 - Mar 27 by Lorax |
It was USA backed yes but, the more important point is surely that it was what the people of Ukraine wanted?
Yanukovych had ridden roughshod over their parliament and was accused of breaking their constitution.
The history of that coup and what has followed doesn't make great reading for the USA or the EU mind.
https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2018/06/04/how-and-why-the-u-s-government-perpetrated
For the USA it was about having an anti Russian government there but all the Eu cared about was their "investors" so the EU chased the money, again. Just like some EU states did when they stalled on sanctions against Russia after this full invasion. |
If it was what the people wanted they would have done it through the ballot box, but it was done by force | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 15:56 - Mar 28 with 1103 views | Lorax |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 11:53 - Mar 28 by controversial_jack |
If it was what the people wanted they would have done it through the ballot box, but it was done by force |
Here's a thought, if Yanukovych was a corrupt leader maybe the people felt they had no option but to remove him by?
On 18 June 2015, Yanukovych was officially deprived of the title of president by the parliament. On 24 January 2019, he was sentenced in absentia to thirteen years' imprisonment for high treason by a Ukrainian court.
Which suggests it wasn't purely by force as the decision was made by the Ukrainian Parliament. | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 15:58 - Mar 28 with 1102 views | controversial_jack |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 15:56 - Mar 28 by Lorax |
Here's a thought, if Yanukovych was a corrupt leader maybe the people felt they had no option but to remove him by?
On 18 June 2015, Yanukovych was officially deprived of the title of president by the parliament. On 24 January 2019, he was sentenced in absentia to thirteen years' imprisonment for high treason by a Ukrainian court.
Which suggests it wasn't purely by force as the decision was made by the Ukrainian Parliament. |
That's how coups are done | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 16:13 - Mar 28 with 1100 views | Lorax |
What, coups are done by parliament?
A coup is defined as...a sudden, violent, and unlawful seizure of power from a government. So if a Parliament uses it's powers to displace a leader and declare him a traitor, how is that a coup?
If there had been enough letters to trigger a vote of no confidence in Bojo, would that be a coup or a legally enforceable way to be rid of the mop headed loony? | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 18:05 - Mar 28 with 1065 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 16:13 - Mar 28 by Lorax |
What, coups are done by parliament?
A coup is defined as...a sudden, violent, and unlawful seizure of power from a government. So if a Parliament uses it's powers to displace a leader and declare him a traitor, how is that a coup?
If there had been enough letters to trigger a vote of no confidence in Bojo, would that be a coup or a legally enforceable way to be rid of the mop headed loony? |
Fortunately our Parliament is sensible and recognises the leadership qualities of our Prime Minister. He has led The West in imposing sections and was the first leader to close Airspace yo Russia.
Strange how in Ukraine he is regarded as the World leader to have done the most for Ukraine. | |
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 18:37 - Mar 28 with 1047 views | controversial_jack |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 16:13 - Mar 28 by Lorax |
What, coups are done by parliament?
A coup is defined as...a sudden, violent, and unlawful seizure of power from a government. So if a Parliament uses it's powers to displace a leader and declare him a traitor, how is that a coup?
If there had been enough letters to trigger a vote of no confidence in Bojo, would that be a coup or a legally enforceable way to be rid of the mop headed loony? |
It's sometimes easier to show , rather than having to endlessly explain
https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2018/06/04/how-and-why-the-u-s-government-perpetrated | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 19:13 - Mar 28 with 1036 views | Lorax |
Yeah, I posted that link earlier so you're a bit late with it.
It was a political coup yes but not a violent one, he wasn't remove by violence first and foremost. He was removed by Parliament, any violence that followed would have been because he was pushing back maybe?
You are trying to endlessly explain that he was illegally moved but as the link shows, his own Parliament removed him. If that happened here Bojo would have to accept it. Why do you think that if the Ukraine people and politicians wanted Yanukovych sacked, that it is illegal?
Maybe because, yet again, you are making excuses for all this? | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 19:38 - Mar 28 with 1026 views | Lorax |
Hey Kilky, tell me again which country or leader has helped the Ukraine the most.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/zelensky-ranks-which-countries-are-helping-
he had this to say about your little favourite Macron,
Mr Zelensky strongly criticised the French President for failing to support his country militarily and appeared to suggest Mr Macron was cowering to Vladimir Putin. | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 20:28 - Mar 28 with 1007 views | majorraglan |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 11:53 - Mar 28 by controversial_jack |
If it was what the people wanted they would have done it through the ballot box, but it was done by force |
If Yanukovich went against what the democratically elected Parliament had voted for, what hope did the roller have. | | | |
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