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I brought it up briefly Monday night but noticed that WOL had a story about it. I thought they were bang on at the time when they were speaking, guys who know the game from inside and have been in football surroundings day in day out. There is always going to be split in people's views and opinions but when you have guys with the experience and knowledge then the reality becomes clearer if you wish to listen to these people.
Have a read but I would if you are able to get hold of it on Sky, I woukd suggest you have a listen to them. Both have been around a whole and played in the new modern way so can grasp where we are as a club.
Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 23:34 - Mar 3 by STID2017
You cant alter the table to suit yourself! OMG how nuts is that ! The official league table is the one published by the EFL , which shows us in the middle third, not your fantasy league ! Funniest thing I have seen posted on here in ages mun. Worse than your " Ask Dracula" Both show you must be living on Fantasy Island !!
Nothing is being altered Squire.
We are 17th place in terms of points gained in competition with the other teams in the league this season. We are 16th place if you take away points for some teams for breaches of finances.
Depends which you use to determine how we are performing.
You aren’t laughing you are extremely frustrated that I have reduced you to this shell of a poster that sits here all night thinking of literally anything he can respond with no matter how pointless or silly.
I’ve squeezed every last bit of self respect and common sense out of you. That’s what happens when you pick the wrong battles.
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Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 23:38 - Mar 3 by Dr_Parnassus
Nothing is being altered Squire.
We are 17th place in terms of points gained in competition with the other teams in the league this season. We are 16th place if you take away points for some teams for breaches of finances.
Depends which you use to determine how we are performing.
You aren’t laughing you are extremely frustrated that I have reduced you to this shell of a poster that sits here all night thinking of literally anything he can respond with no matter how pointless or silly.
I’ve squeezed every last bit of self respect and common sense out of you. That’s what happens when you pick the wrong battles.
Those points were taken away by the powers that be for breaches of finances. Had Swansea City breached the financial constraints maybe we would be top now ( then of course minus any points deduction ) What a ridiculous statement to use teams that have cheated to say "Ah yes but they would be higher" The reason they are where they are is because they cheated. At the end of the day the authorities make up the rules and determine the penalties. Derby should have been relegated last season for cheating. While Reading deserve to be punished. So as I say we are in the middle third Another mistake by you eh ?
"Sanity and happiness are an impossible combination" - Mark Twain
Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 00:10 - Mar 4 by STID2017
Those points were taken away by the powers that be for breaches of finances. Had Swansea City breached the financial constraints maybe we would be top now ( then of course minus any points deduction ) What a ridiculous statement to use teams that have cheated to say "Ah yes but they would be higher" The reason they are where they are is because they cheated. At the end of the day the authorities make up the rules and determine the penalties. Derby should have been relegated last season for cheating. While Reading deserve to be punished. So as I say we are in the middle third Another mistake by you eh ?
They were indeed.
But when we are discussing how we are performing against other teams in this league, it’s better to get an accurate picture rather than a picture altered by non footballing reasons.
They didn’t cheat, they breached regulations, we didn’t cheat when we went into administration. You can fall foul of sanctions without cheating. A foul isn’t necessarily cheating, it depends the circumstances and motivation surrounding it. You would have to prove intent to suggest “cheating”.
Nope, no mistake. We are 17th in terms of points gained vs other teams this season. We go up one place to 16th if you take away points deductions for non footballing reasons, but that takes away from the point being discussed which is performance.
Easy.
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Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 00:15 - Mar 4 by Dr_Parnassus
They were indeed.
But when we are discussing how we are performing against other teams in this league, it’s better to get an accurate picture rather than a picture altered by non footballing reasons.
They didn’t cheat, they breached regulations, we didn’t cheat when we went into administration. You can fall foul of sanctions without cheating. A foul isn’t necessarily cheating, it depends the circumstances and motivation surrounding it. You would have to prove intent to suggest “cheating”.
Nope, no mistake. We are 17th in terms of points gained vs other teams this season. We go up one place to 16th if you take away points deductions for non footballing reasons, but that takes away from the point being discussed which is performance.
Easy.
Of course they cheated. They used finances they shouldn't have to give them an unfair advantage which is why Wycombe Wanderers were so angry that the points deduction wasnt put into place last season. Why are you defending cheats ? Also why would you want to " do down" the club you claim to support by saying they should be lower than they are ? Very strange position for a supporter ( so called ) to take When was the last time you seen Swans play live by the way ?
"Sanity and happiness are an impossible combination" - Mark Twain
Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 00:28 - Mar 4 by STID2017
Of course they cheated. They used finances they shouldn't have to give them an unfair advantage which is why Wycombe Wanderers were so angry that the points deduction wasnt put into place last season. Why are you defending cheats ? Also why would you want to " do down" the club you claim to support by saying they should be lower than they are ? Very strange position for a supporter ( so called ) to take When was the last time you seen Swans play live by the way ?
They didn’t cheat, for that you would have to prove intent. Falling foul of financial rules isn’t necessarily cheating, a lot would need to be proven to show they cheated. It can be unavoidable with costs not being able to be cut in time.
I don’t know what “do down” means. But I assume you mean why be negative or something along those lines? I don’t see it as negative, I see it as realistic.
If I won 100m sprint because the other athletes got sick and pulled out so I was the only one running. To suggest I don’t need to work on my performance because I’m the best would be extremely silly, I would look at the time I ran and compare it to the times others have ran and use that to figure out how good my performance was.
If you want to talk about where I finished then it’s first of course, but if you are having a discussion on performance (like we are here) then we have to compare to other teams and the points they have gained over the course of the season - not the handicaps they have had put in place.
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Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 00:34 - Mar 4 by Dr_Parnassus
They didn’t cheat, for that you would have to prove intent. Falling foul of financial rules isn’t necessarily cheating, a lot would need to be proven to show they cheated. It can be unavoidable with costs not being able to be cut in time.
I don’t know what “do down” means. But I assume you mean why be negative or something along those lines? I don’t see it as negative, I see it as realistic.
If I won 100m sprint because the other athletes got sick and pulled out so I was the only one running. To suggest I don’t need to work on my performance because I’m the best would be extremely silly, I would look at the time I ran and compare it to the times others have ran and use that to figure out how good my performance was.
If you want to talk about where I finished then it’s first of course, but if you are having a discussion on performance (like we are here) then we have to compare to other teams and the points they have gained over the course of the season - not the handicaps they have had put in place.
Mr obtuse off again. Clearly you understand what "do down" means and what you are doing has nothing to do with being realistic, Tell me should Swans have forfeited the trophy they won under Martinez ? After all in reality Leeds had secured more points than us so perhaps you can make a case for that too ?
"Sanity and happiness are an impossible combination" - Mark Twain
Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 00:48 - Mar 4 by STID2017
Mr obtuse off again. Clearly you understand what "do down" means and what you are doing has nothing to do with being realistic, Tell me should Swans have forfeited the trophy they won under Martinez ? After all in reality Leeds had secured more points than us so perhaps you can make a case for that too ?
By obtuse you mean giving you an excellent reply that stumps you, right?
I have no idea what “do down” means, it’s a language error on your part. I can guess what it means though but who knows if that is what you meant, you would have to confirm.
Of course not, the final table is the final table, but if we are talking about performance against other teams in the league then we really should be looking at the table from a pure performance comparison perspective.
There was an Australian speed skater that won Olympic gold because everyone else fell over.
Steve Bradbury is his name.
He knows he only finished where he did due to the misfortune of others, he’s made a career in TV out of it. Nobody is suggesting he should be stripped of his medal, but everyone knows that it would be pointless taking his “official” placing as a measure of his performance.
Depends if you have an analytical mind or not.
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Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 00:53 - Mar 4 by Dr_Parnassus
By obtuse you mean giving you an excellent reply that stumps you, right?
I have no idea what “do down” means, it’s a language error on your part. I can guess what it means though but who knows if that is what you meant, you would have to confirm.
Of course not, the final table is the final table, but if we are talking about performance against other teams in the league then we really should be looking at the table from a pure performance comparison perspective.
There was an Australian speed skater that won Olympic gold because everyone else fell over.
Steve Bradbury is his name.
He knows he only finished where he did due to the misfortune of others, he’s made a career in TV out of it. Nobody is suggesting he should be stripped of his medal, but everyone knows that it would be pointless taking his “official” placing as a measure of his performance.
Depends if you have an analytical mind or not.
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From the Cambridge English Dictionary : Do down meaning? to criticize someone in order to make them feel ashamed or to make other people lose respect This sums up not only what you do to fellow posters who fail to agree with you, but also clearly the way you feel towards Martin and Swans. So the final table is the final table yes ? So although Swans are sitting in 16th now, because of the points deduction to Derby and Reading you feel it is a false position yes ? Yet if Derby finish less than 21 points behind us and Reading finish less than 6 points behind us, then that is fine as "the final table is the final table" ? Strange logic why the current table is unacceptable yet a final table showing ( due to points deduction ) in theory the same finishing positions would be acceptable?
"Sanity and happiness are an impossible combination" - Mark Twain
Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 01:16 - Mar 4 by STID2017
From the Cambridge English Dictionary : Do down meaning? to criticize someone in order to make them feel ashamed or to make other people lose respect This sums up not only what you do to fellow posters who fail to agree with you, but also clearly the way you feel towards Martin and Swans. So the final table is the final table yes ? So although Swans are sitting in 16th now, because of the points deduction to Derby and Reading you feel it is a false position yes ? Yet if Derby finish less than 21 points behind us and Reading finish less than 6 points behind us, then that is fine as "the final table is the final table" ? Strange logic why the current table is unacceptable yet a final table showing ( due to points deduction ) in theory the same finishing positions would be acceptable?
“Do down” is an informal term relating to a person. You can’t “do down” a league table, it is what it is.
Where did I say the current table is “unacceptable”, you are reading what you want to read, just like when you pretended to read Keith calling me a bully
We are discussing performance here, in terms of performance we are 17th best in the league. In terms of the official league table which considers other things and not strictly just performance we are 16th.
You are being awfully silly.
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On a side note, why did you create a thread earlier stating you would be stopping the ridiculous point scoring arguments you have been bogging the site down with for the last few weeks, only to almost immediately back track on that and do it across multiple threads?
Is it boredom or frustration?
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Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 01:22 - Mar 4 by Dr_Parnassus
“Do down” is an informal term relating to a person. You can’t “do down” a league table, it is what it is.
Where did I say the current table is “unacceptable”, you are reading what you want to read, just like when you pretended to read Keith calling me a bully
We are discussing performance here, in terms of performance we are 17th best in the league. In terms of the official league table which considers other things and not strictly just performance we are 16th.
You are being awfully silly.
You are "doing down" the club. Of course it can be used in those terms You would argue black is white just to be obtuse. So you admit we are actually 16th then ? You must be the only Swans supporter ( I use the term loosely in your case) who would look at the table and see the half empty vision of us being 17th and be crowing at it Strange fellow
"Sanity and happiness are an impossible combination" - Mark Twain
Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 01:34 - Mar 4 by STID2017
You are "doing down" the club. Of course it can be used in those terms You would argue black is white just to be obtuse. So you admit we are actually 16th then ? You must be the only Swans supporter ( I use the term loosely in your case) who would look at the table and see the half empty vision of us being 17th and be crowing at it Strange fellow
You can’t “do down” a club. Again if you mean being negative, it’s not negativity it’s realism.
We are 16th instead of 17th because another club has had a sanction placed on them, it has nothing to do with our ability. To state it does is delusional.
We are discussing performance here, and when we consider all the teams that have outperformed us this season we are 17th - but yes we are 16th officially considering deductions too.
It depends if you having an analytical performance related discussion or not, because I was. Maybe you should start a thread regarding being 16th including deductions and how much better it feels than 17th if you have an issue with it?
Strange thing to complain about.
Now why did you create a thread saying you were going to stop your petty point scoring arguments for the “benefit of the site” yet not even a day has passed and you are immediately back to it, across multiple threads.
Don’t you think that makes you look incredibly odd? Be honest, if you can.
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Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 01:39 - Mar 4 by Dr_Parnassus
You can’t “do down” a club. Again if you mean being negative, it’s not negativity it’s realism.
We are 16th instead of 17th because another club has had a sanction placed on them, it has nothing to do with our ability. To state it does is delusional.
We are discussing performance here, and when we consider all the teams that have outperformed us this season we are 17th - but yes we are 16th officially considering deductions too.
It depends if you having an analytical performance related discussion or not, because I was. Maybe you should start a thread regarding being 16th including deductions and how much better it feels than 17th if you have an issue with it?
Strange thing to complain about.
Now why did you create a thread saying you were going to stop your petty point scoring arguments for the “benefit of the site” yet not even a day has passed and you are immediately back to it, across multiple threads.
Don’t you think that makes you look incredibly odd? Be honest, if you can.
The reason that thread got dragged down was because of you and your pal from the Wirral having digs at people. Instead of replying with a simple good post or similar, you posted a load of diatribe which showed you to be the argumentative poster thatmyiu are. It was posted in good faith and acknowledged by several in PM's, as were your dogs. Maybe you cannot see what you are doing ? One can hope
"Sanity and happiness are an impossible combination" - Mark Twain
Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 01:46 - Mar 4 by STID2017
The reason that thread got dragged down was because of you and your pal from the Wirral having digs at people. Instead of replying with a simple good post or similar, you posted a load of diatribe which showed you to be the argumentative poster thatmyiu are. It was posted in good faith and acknowledged by several in PM's, as were your dogs. Maybe you cannot see what you are doing ? One can hope
I don’t have any dogs, not sure what you are talking about.
If you posted the thread in good faith then why have you abandoned it less than 14 hours after it’s creation?
You were asked in the thread whether you would do a challenge and see who makes the first dig. You lasted 16 mins and were the first to cave.
So again my question. Is it boredom, frustration or did you know you were being deceitful at the time of creating the thread?
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Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 01:49 - Mar 4 by Dr_Parnassus
I don’t have any dogs, not sure what you are talking about.
If you posted the thread in good faith then why have you abandoned it less than 14 hours after it’s creation?
You were asked in the thread whether you would do a challenge and see who makes the first dig. You lasted 16 mins and were the first to cave.
So again my question. Is it boredom, frustration or did you know you were being deceitful at the time of creating the thread?
So I am expected to spot and ignore your typos yet you cannot understand mine ? Anyway you already made the first dig in the same post as that challenge was issued so it became a moot point
"Sanity and happiness are an impossible combination" - Mark Twain
Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 01:54 - Mar 4 by STID2017
So I am expected to spot and ignore your typos yet you cannot understand mine ? Anyway you already made the first dig in the same post as that challenge was issued so it became a moot point
I’m not expecting anything, you are pointing out small things so I thought that’s what we were doing?
Or is it only ok for you? I can’t keep up with all these changes of mind and rules you set.
There was no dig by me after I set the challenge, that’s a lie.
Here is when the challenge was set. No dig after it at all, just an assurance that I would respond if there was one… which there was 16 mins later.
So again, did you know you were being deceitful at the time or has the frustration of not being able to argue taken over since then?
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Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 17:18 - Mar 3 by swan65split
Yarp
There was a couple of deflects from a Brum player which took away from it a little but it was encouraging that the players were fluid and comfortable taking the ball in tight areas.
I thought on the night that we could have a right crack next season and Murray said practically the same. Can't take away the horror moments but there are clear signs and feel we could have a decent team next season, hopefully this transition season is doing the ground work that was much needed.
Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 08:13 - Mar 4 by magicdaps10
There was a couple of deflects from a Brum player which took away from it a little but it was encouraging that the players were fluid and comfortable taking the ball in tight areas.
I thought on the night that we could have a right crack next season and Murray said practically the same. Can't take away the horror moments but there are clear signs and feel we could have a decent team next season, hopefully this transition season is doing the ground work that was much needed.
If there was such a thing then we would be seeing progress, wouldn't we?
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Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 08:13 - Mar 4 by magicdaps10
There was a couple of deflects from a Brum player which took away from it a little but it was encouraging that the players were fluid and comfortable taking the ball in tight areas.
I thought on the night that we could have a right crack next season and Murray said practically the same. Can't take away the horror moments but there are clear signs and feel we could have a decent team next season, hopefully this transition season is doing the ground work that was much needed.
There were signs of "improvement" yes, hes got the remainder of the season to do some more work, and maybe include the new boy form the Shrews at some point.
All good things come to those that wait. ,
edit for those! spelling
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Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 10:11 - Mar 4 with 557 views
Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 10:10 - Mar 4 by swan65split
There were signs of "improvement" yes, hes got the remainder of the season to do some more work, and maybe include the new boy form the Shrews at some point.
All good things come to those that wait. ,
edit for those! spelling
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Hopefully we can capture Christie on a full contract and add a few more as needed. Build on the improvement from Monday tomorrow and cement our middle table place this season
"Sanity and happiness are an impossible combination" - Mark Twain
Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 10:28 - Mar 4 by STID2017
Hopefully we can capture Christie on a full contract and add a few more as needed. Build on the improvement from Monday tomorrow and cement our middle table place this season
beat the badge the other night, so heres hoping.
With our loan players coming back as well with maybe some game time and experience in them it"ll make for a stronger squad
who knows a good run from now on and maybe an outside chance of the play offs.
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