| Swansea city recruitment over the last 20 years. 14:40 - Apr 13 with 3976 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
Recruitment at Swansea will get a 7 out of 10 from me. Swansea currently has no debts a beautiful infrastructure a decent academy and an improved recruitment in the last season or so. Andy Scott led this up and reportedly "set up " the new system so it is hoped it will continue to deliver despite the fact he has gone. The Martin / Allen axis is very promising.
The books being kept straight is due to good player trading and selling the academy stars of the 2017 PL2 wining team,
It seems to me thing work better when manager come in with clear ideas of what they want supported by the in house team,
This clearly happened with Flynn, Martinez, Brendan, Laudrup and now Martyn. In these cases there was a close working relationship between the ownership manager and recruitment team.
The outlier here are Potter and Cooper. Potters dealing were terrible and all have gone with big financial losses. Coopers signings on loan were outstanding on the whole but his permanent signings not so good. e.g. Peterson Bennett. In both these cases the bond to the club did not seem integrated. Scott wet with Cooper despite being a club signing and McCauley went to Brighton. There was visible friction between the manger and club in both cases.
Flynn had Reeves as his assistant and a broad knowledge of footballers from the north West England area. This greatly assisted the club development. Trundle Connolly Durkan Wrexham, Robinson Tranmere Martinez ex Wigan etc. The club did not presuambly have recruitment peopl in those days. Tate and Britton from academies.
Kenny Jackett favouring a more pragmatic and muscular style brought i big lads Fallon, Monk, Akinfenwa to get promotion at the expanse of style perhaps. Perhaps these were his picks or the first siges of manager recritment team development.
Marinez immediately reinstated Reeves as his transfer guru and not a man who would stay at the club after Martinez left. Mr Jenkins screwed some extra cash out of Wigan as compensation when he left. Rangel, Gomez other Spanish players were clearly Martinez Reeves. Bodde was reportedly recommended by Van Zweden the former owner unliked in these parts due to the prevailing fake narratives encouraged by Trust members. (I like him).
After Martinez left it was back to square one with a weak recruitment set up and Sousa with surprisingly poor contact book. Jordi Lopez came but did not perform well. Others were clearly from a newly form recruitment team leading to Beattie, Trundle, Kuqi and Idrizaj (RIP) none of whom established themselves.
Brendan has his own contacts via Chelsea seeing the departure of the Sousa picks and the arrival of Sinclair Borini Frank Nouble. Lee Congleton has been mentioned recently. Another era of peace harmony and good relations between club recruitement and manager. Taylor came via an Alan Curtis recommendation. Some European signing (presumably club pick did not do so well Situ never played and Morais a big centre back was not up to scratch). Brendan moulded basically Matrinez players into a formidable unit.
Laudrup ripped up the script sold Joey and Sinclair and used the money for a wave of talented Hispanics. At this time the club it appears had a coherent recruitment team that were happy to to take secondary role. (it seems to me hen the club did its best trading.) Fricition cracks however appeared (probably over commissions payments and overall strategy). In the secod season Bony, Shelvey Amat, Tendalli appear presumably from the club with Canas Sheckter Lamah and Alvaro via Luadrup. When things went wrong recruitment was a big issue.
Monk came in and left recruitment to the club with perhaps a limited contacts book. Some real bad signing were made Tabanou, Eder . Gomis was a good signing on a "free" on huge wages. He was signed to replace Bony. Sigurdson was obviusly a great signing between the club and Monk. Monk as his carreer developed improved his contacts and changed the history of Leeds utd by signing Hernandez.
Guidolin openly stated the recruitment was not his business and Borja and Fer were signed. Guidolin openly stated he knew nothing of Fer but was impressed with him. It is reported that Guidolin did push for Llorente and recommended Paloshi on loan when Gomis s work rate was questioned.
Clement again was not driven to push the club to pick player of his choice. Sanches was a disaster. Abraham as not ready. He did not have the kudos to block Bony, Clucas, Mesa and co. Carlos did have some club contacts but could not deliver Gamero and co with Swansea rock bottom.
We now have Martin with Mr Allen a high profile club man to support him. Martin did not throw his toys out of the pram in January when he did not get what he wanted. This seems to me to be a promising period in the 20 year recruitment story. Harmony and working together is best with a manager who knows who and what he wants and a scouting team willing to back him. Like the Brenda era. Piroe, Obafemi, Downes ,Patterson look good picks. Fisher should improve and O'Riley the one that got away is doing well in Scotland.
History has shown it is almost as vital not to make bad signings as it is to make good ones. Potter signed McKay, John, Asoro and Celina. £7m down the pan. Cooper / Martin would have done serious s damage with that budget.
Memory plays tricks so there may be an inaccuracy or to in there.
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| Swansea city recruitment over the last 20 years. on 14:58 - Apr 15 with 524 views | Chief |
| Swansea city recruitment over the last 20 years. on 13:47 - Apr 15 by ReslovenSwan1 |
People can think what they like but cannot print it on forums without evidence. I can espouse, for example, left wing views, without being a card carrying member of the Labour party. You are wedded to "fake news" and forum 'jiggery pokery'.
I happen to think the sellers did a superb job. Anyone outside this oddball Swansea fan bubble would think the same. This does not mean I work for them or are their mates. I have never met any of them or know any US citizens at all.
I am interested in the aspect of group thinking and propaganda and fake narratives. We see it in Russia today.
The narrative has been planted that the SCST were hard done by. I do not believe this at all. In fact the reverse it true. The SCST is in a great place. It was created for them by the sellers. The new deal might have put themselves in a worse place.
Money is power. % holding gives little clout. The Trust do not understand this. Silverstein has clout because he has put £5m into the club coffers. He is on the board with no shares. He also ended the 6 year Trust stand off. Bravo to him.
Use of forum and planted posters allied to anti Americanism (and other ethnic groups) and general south Wales political leanings (socialism) can lead to a pretty toxic 'cawl ' That has traction with the fan base. The narrative has been manipulated by unknown characters. The Chief and many others have v bought into this fake narrative and have been left high and dry. The supporters of legal action feel let down. Due to a lack of common sense and buying into dubious forum narratives. |
More inane ramblings.
The vast majority of our fanbase recognise the job the sellers for many years. The majority of out fanbase also recognise the despicable was they sold Out.
You are incapable to separate the two for some bizarre reason maybe love, devotion, vested interest, stubbornness, I don't know. Probably ignorance. Which you've emphasized in this latest propaganda piece. The trust are in a great place IN YOUR OPINION. But the trust should have been the choice to decide their own future. They weren't given that privilege that the sellouts were.
You alone are the oddball. Go and shout at traffic or something. |  |
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| Swansea city recruitment over the last 20 years. on 15:20 - Apr 15 with 513 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Swansea city recruitment over the last 20 years. on 14:58 - Apr 15 by Chief |
More inane ramblings.
The vast majority of our fanbase recognise the job the sellers for many years. The majority of out fanbase also recognise the despicable was they sold Out.
You are incapable to separate the two for some bizarre reason maybe love, devotion, vested interest, stubbornness, I don't know. Probably ignorance. Which you've emphasized in this latest propaganda piece. The trust are in a great place IN YOUR OPINION. But the trust should have been the choice to decide their own future. They weren't given that privilege that the sellouts were.
You alone are the oddball. Go and shout at traffic or something. |
I challenge you to find any comment which states the Trust wanted to sell their shares before the sale. In 2015 they stated their shares were not up for sale "and never would be". If this was not their position they should have corrected it immediately. As it was not corrected in good time I would forgive the sellers for taking it as their "position".
Be careful not present words like "prepared to consider offers" that means nothing. | |
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| Swansea city recruitment over the last 20 years. on 17:18 - Apr 15 with 496 views | Chief |
| Swansea city recruitment over the last 20 years. on 15:20 - Apr 15 by ReslovenSwan1 |
I challenge you to find any comment which states the Trust wanted to sell their shares before the sale. In 2015 they stated their shares were not up for sale "and never would be". If this was not their position they should have corrected it immediately. As it was not corrected in good time I would forgive the sellers for taking it as their "position".
Be careful not present words like "prepared to consider offers" that means nothing. |
And you took time out of the watching the game to type that!? Shows how disgustingly blinkered you are. As long as you get that propaganda across, that's all that matters. I remember a certain shareholder tweeting about cake during a game in which we were about to get relegated
And we've been through this repeatedly. Listen this time, educate yourself and stop being so ignorant. The trust never signed anything legally to say they'd never sell. For you to say so is a cop out and wouldn't have stood up in court. If they were so sure the trust didn't want to sell then why didn't they bid for the shares in line with the other shareholders? Why leave themselves open to such non compliance leaving the door open to litigation and settlements years later? Bullshyte. You can't just assume a way that people would act because they did years prior under different circumstances. Drop the Tory government act. Ignorance is no excuse.
The trust informed every selling shareholder they were open to selling as soon as they became aware of the sale but still weren't treated with parity.
What about this are you failing to understand!? | |
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| Swansea city recruitment over the last 20 years. on 17:25 - Apr 15 with 492 views | Treforys_Jack |
| Swansea city recruitment over the last 20 years. on 17:18 - Apr 15 by Chief |
And you took time out of the watching the game to type that!? Shows how disgustingly blinkered you are. As long as you get that propaganda across, that's all that matters. I remember a certain shareholder tweeting about cake during a game in which we were about to get relegated
And we've been through this repeatedly. Listen this time, educate yourself and stop being so ignorant. The trust never signed anything legally to say they'd never sell. For you to say so is a cop out and wouldn't have stood up in court. If they were so sure the trust didn't want to sell then why didn't they bid for the shares in line with the other shareholders? Why leave themselves open to such non compliance leaving the door open to litigation and settlements years later? Bullshyte. You can't just assume a way that people would act because they did years prior under different circumstances. Drop the Tory government act. Ignorance is no excuse.
The trust informed every selling shareholder they were open to selling as soon as they became aware of the sale but still weren't treated with parity.
What about this are you failing to understand!? |
Its copy and paste prob, can't imagine a swans fan would would take time to type all that when we were playing |  | | |
| Swansea city recruitment over the last 20 years. on 17:37 - Apr 15 with 488 views | Chief |
| Swansea city recruitment over the last 20 years. on 17:25 - Apr 15 by Treforys_Jack |
Its copy and paste prob, can't imagine a swans fan would would take time to type all that when we were playing |
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| Swansea city recruitment over the last 20 years. on 17:52 - Apr 15 with 485 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Swansea city recruitment over the last 20 years. on 17:18 - Apr 15 by Chief |
And you took time out of the watching the game to type that!? Shows how disgustingly blinkered you are. As long as you get that propaganda across, that's all that matters. I remember a certain shareholder tweeting about cake during a game in which we were about to get relegated
And we've been through this repeatedly. Listen this time, educate yourself and stop being so ignorant. The trust never signed anything legally to say they'd never sell. For you to say so is a cop out and wouldn't have stood up in court. If they were so sure the trust didn't want to sell then why didn't they bid for the shares in line with the other shareholders? Why leave themselves open to such non compliance leaving the door open to litigation and settlements years later? Bullshyte. You can't just assume a way that people would act because they did years prior under different circumstances. Drop the Tory government act. Ignorance is no excuse.
The trust informed every selling shareholder they were open to selling as soon as they became aware of the sale but still weren't treated with parity.
What about this are you failing to understand!? |
Selling is not easy. That is why sales people are well paid. It is a simple fact of life that you do not sell anything sitting by the phone waiting for offers. If you tell people you do not want to sell people will not bother you. It is the way it is. | |
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| Swansea city recruitment over the last 20 years. on 18:04 - Apr 15 with 481 views | Chief |
| Swansea city recruitment over the last 20 years. on 17:52 - Apr 15 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Selling is not easy. That is why sales people are well paid. It is a simple fact of life that you do not sell anything sitting by the phone waiting for offers. If you tell people you do not want to sell people will not bother you. It is the way it is. |
Irrelevant whether it's easy or not. You are still acting ignorantly to the fact that whatever happened they should have been treated the same as the sellouts from the start. That's the whole reason there was grounds for a case and settlement. Completely irrelevant whether you think they deserved to receive a bid or be part of negotiations. They didn't wait by the phone. They informed the other shareholders as soon as they became aware (months after the others) that that they wanted to be involved. But they still weren't treated the same as them. | |
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| Swansea city recruitment over the last 20 years. on 19:00 - Apr 15 with 465 views | Treforys_Jack |
| Swansea city recruitment over the last 20 years. on 18:04 - Apr 15 by Chief |
Irrelevant whether it's easy or not. You are still acting ignorantly to the fact that whatever happened they should have been treated the same as the sellouts from the start. That's the whole reason there was grounds for a case and settlement. Completely irrelevant whether you think they deserved to receive a bid or be part of negotiations. They didn't wait by the phone. They informed the other shareholders as soon as they became aware (months after the others) that that they wanted to be involved. But they still weren't treated the same as them. |
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| Swansea city recruitment over the last 20 years. on 19:03 - Apr 15 with 463 views | Chief |
| Swansea city recruitment over the last 20 years. on 19:00 - Apr 15 by Treforys_Jack |
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| Swansea city recruitment over the last 20 years. on 22:53 - Apr 15 with 427 views | BillyChong |
| Swansea city recruitment over the last 20 years. on 17:52 - Apr 15 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Selling is not easy. That is why sales people are well paid. It is a simple fact of life that you do not sell anything sitting by the phone waiting for offers. If you tell people you do not want to sell people will not bother you. It is the way it is. |
Communication was hardly a positive of the sellouts during that period. Record keeping was also completely forgotten about by so called businessmen. |  | | |
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