| Deprivation in Wales on 14:42 - Dec 4 with 824 views | onehunglow |
| Deprivation in Wales on 13:46 - Dec 4 by BryanSwan |
If any party had the desire to improve the NHS, police, education etc. They would've done so. Saying they will improve things wins votes actually doing so isn't worth it to them. |
Decent reply.
I actually feel the same |  |
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| Deprivation in Wales on 15:35 - Dec 4 with 794 views | pencoedjack |
| Deprivation in Wales on 13:46 - Dec 4 by BryanSwan |
If any party had the desire to improve the NHS, police, education etc. They would've done so. Saying they will improve things wins votes actually doing so isn't worth it to them. |
This ^
The NHS (& other important services) shouldn’t be used as a political football. |  | | |
| Deprivation in Wales on 15:56 - Dec 4 with 781 views | controversial_jack |
| Deprivation in Wales on 13:46 - Dec 4 by BryanSwan |
If any party had the desire to improve the NHS, police, education etc. They would've done so. Saying they will improve things wins votes actually doing so isn't worth it to them. |
Labour did, then the Conservative govt undid it all | | | |
| Deprivation in Wales on 16:55 - Dec 4 with 753 views | Catullus |
| Deprivation in Wales on 15:56 - Dec 4 by controversial_jack |
Labour did, then the Conservative govt undid it all |
Labour spent a lot of money and made a lot of reforms that put the NHS onto a slippery slope.
It's top heavy with managers, poorly managed by them and in a chronic state nt helped by the tories being so utterly rubbish and corrupt.
Even so, that irrelevant. The Welsh NHS has been badly run by the Senedd. There seems to be plenty of money to be spent on their ideological policies but not enough for the vital services which is why, when my wife had to go to A&E last week we were told there was a 19 hour wait and there were 15 ambulances queueing outside. | |
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| Deprivation in Wales on 17:08 - Dec 4 with 749 views | onehunglow |
| Deprivation in Wales on 20:50 - Dec 2 by controversial_jack |
When did this country have a wonderfull education system?
We didn't have a universal secondary education system until 1944 , and the it was the tri system , and those who went to secondary modern schools were basically factory fodder |
Well, many of us on the 50s 60s thought so until Crosland destroyed grammar schools where “ ordinary working class “ kids could aspire and achieve . | |
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| Deprivation in Wales on 17:23 - Dec 4 with 736 views | Catullus |
| Deprivation in Wales on 17:08 - Dec 4 by onehunglow |
Well, many of us on the 50s 60s thought so until Crosland destroyed grammar schools where “ ordinary working class “ kids could aspire and achieve . |
Well in the 70's and 80's there were many rubbish schools with rubbist teachers.
Bishop Gore wasn't a really rubbish school and there were some very good teachers, for example a Geography teacher (Mr Ince) actually insisted on teaching us and insisted we paid attention. He wouldn't be allowed the same methods today but I came top of his class because he sussed out how to get the best out of me, he challenged me, he made me hate him and be desperate to prove him wrong but in proving him wrong all I really proved was he was a good teacher doing his best to get the best out of me.
I had other teachers who barely noticed when people didn't turn up! | |
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| Deprivation in Wales on 20:28 - Dec 4 with 700 views | onehunglow |
| Deprivation in Wales on 17:23 - Dec 4 by Catullus |
Well in the 70's and 80's there were many rubbish schools with rubbist teachers.
Bishop Gore wasn't a really rubbish school and there were some very good teachers, for example a Geography teacher (Mr Ince) actually insisted on teaching us and insisted we paid attention. He wouldn't be allowed the same methods today but I came top of his class because he sussed out how to get the best out of me, he challenged me, he made me hate him and be desperate to prove him wrong but in proving him wrong all I really proved was he was a good teacher doing his best to get the best out of me.
I had other teachers who barely noticed when people didn't turn up! |
Think it changed when it went mixed and Comp
My teachers were vicious and hard nosed | |
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| Deprivation in Wales on 10:12 - Dec 5 with 677 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Deprivation in Wales on 17:08 - Dec 4 by onehunglow |
Well, many of us on the 50s 60s thought so until Crosland destroyed grammar schools where “ ordinary working class “ kids could aspire and achieve . |
Going to be a huge burden when upto to 100,000 former private school pupils return to state school when Labour makes then unfixable.
Amazing the hypocrisy from Labour some of whom went to either Grammar or private schools and continue to send their children to them. | |
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| Deprivation in Wales on 11:01 - Dec 5 with 665 views | controversial_jack |
| Deprivation in Wales on 10:12 - Dec 5 by felixstowe_jack |
Going to be a huge burden when upto to 100,000 former private school pupils return to state school when Labour makes then unfixable.
Amazing the hypocrisy from Labour some of whom went to either Grammar or private schools and continue to send their children to them. |
Kids go where their parents send the, they have no option. | | | |
| Deprivation in Wales on 11:50 - Dec 5 with 662 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Deprivation in Wales on 11:01 - Dec 5 by controversial_jack |
Kids go where their parents send the, they have no option. |
Correct they end up in sink estate comprehensive schools if parents don't move to catchment areas of decent schools. | |
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| Deprivation in Wales on 11:52 - Dec 5 with 660 views | onehunglow |
| Deprivation in Wales on 10:12 - Dec 5 by felixstowe_jack |
Going to be a huge burden when upto to 100,000 former private school pupils return to state school when Labour makes then unfixable.
Amazing the hypocrisy from Labour some of whom went to either Grammar or private schools and continue to send their children to them. |
Classic do as I say not as I do | |
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| Deprivation in Wales on 13:04 - Dec 5 with 646 views | Gwyn737 |
In regard to private schools, I suppose the question is why do they deserve to be charities? I'm not sure I've heard a strong argument.
I've no issue at all with private education, but don't try and tell me this tax would punish the hardworking, who scrimp and save to put their children through. Private schooling is for the most well off. You need a minimum of around £15k a year to fund it and that's if you've only got one child. If you'v got that kind of disposable income I doubt the tax would put you off.
As for Grammar schools, it's not even up for debate. They are socially harmful. The research outcomes are so strong no government would be daft enough to bring them back. | | | |
| Deprivation in Wales on 13:18 - Dec 5 with 640 views | controversial_jack |
| Deprivation in Wales on 17:08 - Dec 4 by onehunglow |
Well, many of us on the 50s 60s thought so until Crosland destroyed grammar schools where “ ordinary working class “ kids could aspire and achieve . |
Only a small percentage went to.grammar schools, the rest were put on the scrap heap. This country hss never had a good system | | | |
| Deprivation in Wales on 13:19 - Dec 5 with 640 views | onehunglow |
| Deprivation in Wales on 13:04 - Dec 5 by Gwyn737 |
In regard to private schools, I suppose the question is why do they deserve to be charities? I'm not sure I've heard a strong argument.
I've no issue at all with private education, but don't try and tell me this tax would punish the hardworking, who scrimp and save to put their children through. Private schooling is for the most well off. You need a minimum of around £15k a year to fund it and that's if you've only got one child. If you'v got that kind of disposable income I doubt the tax would put you off.
As for Grammar schools, it's not even up for debate. They are socially harmful. The research outcomes are so strong no government would be daft enough to bring them back. |
I went to one . I was not harmed
My son went top one and same applies | |
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| Deprivation in Wales on 13:48 - Dec 5 with 631 views | Gwyn737 |
| Deprivation in Wales on 13:19 - Dec 5 by onehunglow |
I went to one . I was not harmed
My son went top one and same applies |
If you're genuinely interested, take 4 minutes watch this vid.
You simply can't be a govenment that talks about leveling up and then reintroduce Grammars.
It's not something I put a lot of thought into these days as there's no chance of it happening. The evidence really is that clear. | | | |
| Deprivation in Wales on 16:32 - Dec 5 with 593 views | lifelong |
| Deprivation in Wales on 13:19 - Dec 5 by onehunglow |
I went to one . I was not harmed
My son went top one and same applies |
“I was not harmed?
That’s debatable. 😄 |  | | |
| Deprivation in Wales on 17:01 - Dec 5 with 576 views | Boundy |
| Deprivation in Wales on 11:01 - Dec 5 by controversial_jack |
Kids go where their parents send the, they have no option. |
Why should a 12 year old child have the final decision of which school they attend ? | |
| "In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master." |
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| Deprivation in Wales on 17:33 - Dec 5 with 569 views | Catullus |
| Deprivation in Wales on 17:01 - Dec 5 by Boundy |
Why should a 12 year old child have the final decision of which school they attend ? |
Relax, he answerd a point no one made.
There are sink estates in Wales, kids who simply don't go to school and their parents don't care, like traveller kids. We have teens who can't spell their own names or do simple math.
The kids don't care, the parents are feckless and th government is useless, it's a heady mix. | |
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| Deprivation in Wales on 18:21 - Dec 5 with 556 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Deprivation in Wales on 13:48 - Dec 5 by Gwyn737 |
If you're genuinely interested, take 4 minutes watch this vid.
You simply can't be a govenment that talks about leveling up and then reintroduce Grammars.
It's not something I put a lot of thought into these days as there's no chance of it happening. The evidence really is that clear. |
If you remove ambition and an education system that does not stretch brighter pupils and give more opportunity to those who have more practical skills you level down not up. | |
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| Deprivation in Wales on 18:27 - Dec 5 with 550 views | controversial_jack |
| Deprivation in Wales on 17:01 - Dec 5 by Boundy |
Why should a 12 year old child have the final decision of which school they attend ? |
They don't, that's the point. We can't blame anyone for whichever school they were sent to. | | | |
| Deprivation in Wales on 18:31 - Dec 5 with 543 views | builthjack |
The anti Welsh brigade are out in force again.
England has many many shitholes.
Have a go at them .
It seems any opportunity to Diss Wales gives some a hard on. |  |
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| Deprivation in Wales on 19:13 - Dec 5 with 530 views | controversial_jack |
| Deprivation in Wales on 18:31 - Dec 5 by builthjack |
The anti Welsh brigade are out in force again.
England has many many shitholes.
Have a go at them .
It seems any opportunity to Diss Wales gives some a hard on. |
Many of those places much worse than anywhere in Wales | | | |
| Deprivation in Wales on 19:21 - Dec 5 with 530 views | onehunglow |
| Deprivation in Wales on 16:32 - Dec 5 by lifelong |
“I was not harmed?
That’s debatable. 😄 |
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| Deprivation in Wales on 19:22 - Dec 5 with 528 views | onehunglow |
| Deprivation in Wales on 18:31 - Dec 5 by builthjack |
The anti Welsh brigade are out in force again.
England has many many shitholes.
Have a go at them .
It seems any opportunity to Diss Wales gives some a hard on. |
Dear Zgid.
Now education.
Fair play | |
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| Deprivation in Wales on 20:22 - Dec 5 with 505 views | Gwyn737 |
| Deprivation in Wales on 18:21 - Dec 5 by felixstowe_jack |
If you remove ambition and an education system that does not stretch brighter pupils and give more opportunity to those who have more practical skills you level down not up. |
That would be true if children in grammar schools performed better than their academic counterparts in comprehensive school areas but they don’t.
Outcomes for the top 10% of children in comprehensives and those in grammar schools are and always have been remarkably similar.
What’s also remarkable is that comprehensives achieve this whilst supporting children of all abilities and backgrounds.
I don’t disagree with with you about the need for better vocational education but that needs a much bigger change than just introducing Grammars.
Grammars a very Tory type policy but they’ve not gone for it (even with recent massive majorities) is because all of this administrations successful education policies have been based on research (early reading/phonics, curriculum breadth, toughening standards, baccalaureate qualifications) found in high performing countries.
Do you know what these high performing countries have in common? No selection at age 11.
The video shows why grammars are particularly damaging for disadvantaged children but I’ll chuck another reason in there.
All tests from Reception right the way through primary school have an exact correlation between month of birth and test result. Children born in September (as a group) do better than those born in October and so on, right up to August when the gap is then massive.
Using age 11 as a sorting stage massively disadvantages those born later in the year. How on earth are we supposed to know which children need what kind of education at that age?
It’s unnecessarily chucking kids on the scrap heap. | | | |
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