| Keir Starmer, the globalist. 11:18 - May 14 with 3428 views | A_Fans_Dad |
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| Keir Starmer, the globalist. on 19:58 - Jul 6 with 706 views | Gwyn737 |
| Keir Starmer, the globalist. on 19:11 - Jul 6 by majorraglan |
The only reference I’ve seen to class ceiling was breaking it so that kids from all backgrounds including the working class could go on to be successful life and not be held back by barriers that once existed.
In terms of the “independent” analysis you talk about, would that be analysis undertaken by the right leaning think tank headed by a privately educated former intern to a Conservative MP who also worked as an advisor to Michael Gove and Matt Hancock. He also worked for the very Right wing Policy Exchange think tank. They”investigation” may have been conducted by an independent organisation, but that doesn’t mean it is impartial.
Interesting to note the fact that State schools get £7500 per pupil, in 2009/10 the last year of the Brown government State schools received £7260 per pupil, by 2019/20 State schools were receiving £6640 per pupil which equates to a real term cut of 9%. If the government had pegged the funding to inflation, the £7260 would now be between £10660 and £11,000.
Interesting to see the Maths teacher up in Gloucester who can have as many as 64 kids in 1 maths class as the school can’t afford to employ more maths teachers - it’s very concerning and will adversely impact on the future of those children.
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The author is Tom Hamilton from the EDSK think tank and yes he was a Tory advisor.
The class ceiling comment was really about social mobility which understandably all parties are keen on.
I don’t get this idea that removing VAT from private schools will hurt the ‘squeezed middle’. Private school fees have hit about 20k a year without any extras. To put two children all the way through from 4 to 18 it’s going to cost you a minimum of half a million pounds.
Do the people who can afford that really need charitable tax breaks? | | | |
| Keir Starmer, the globalist. on 20:22 - Jul 6 with 690 views | majorraglan |
| Keir Starmer, the globalist. on 13:37 - Jul 6 by JACKMANANDBOY |
About 25% of private school pupils have bursaries or scholarships, if you increase the costs by introducing VAT I bet the amount of buraries and scholarships drops impacting less well off people. |
Fair point, but look what’s happening to the less well off kids in State schools, check out the funding on my earlier post. | | | |
| Keir Starmer, the globalist. on 07:16 - Jul 7 with 628 views | Gwyn737 |
| Keir Starmer, the globalist. on 12:34 - Jul 6 by felixstowe_jack |
Starmer spouting his new Labour policy.
He wants to raise the "class ceiling " whatever that means. About time Labour became an inclusive party. Currently their leaders are restricted to White men.
Another policy claim that taxing private schools will raise £1.7 billion has been downgraded to £1 billion. An independent analysis has proved that if the number of pupils attending private schools drops by only 5% it will start to cost UK TAXPAYERS more as they pupils will move to state schools.
State schools get approximately £7500 per pupil. |
Small point on inclusivity.
The current labour shadow cabinet is 87% state educated.
That’s a pretty good example of breaking the class ceiling don’t you think? | | | |
| Keir Starmer, the globalist. on 08:00 - Jul 7 with 622 views | Dr_Winston |
| Keir Starmer, the globalist. on 19:58 - Jul 6 by Gwyn737 |
The author is Tom Hamilton from the EDSK think tank and yes he was a Tory advisor.
The class ceiling comment was really about social mobility which understandably all parties are keen on.
I don’t get this idea that removing VAT from private schools will hurt the ‘squeezed middle’. Private school fees have hit about 20k a year without any extras. To put two children all the way through from 4 to 18 it’s going to cost you a minimum of half a million pounds.
Do the people who can afford that really need charitable tax breaks? |
Do people who voluntarily pay extra to educate their kids thus saving the state the time and expense of doing so deserve a little tax break for doing so? No reason why not.
If they're serious about improving social mobility then they'll bring back some form of grammar education. Take the bright kids out of the sausage factories that Comprehensives are and give them the equivalent of a private schooling. |  |
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| Keir Starmer, the globalist. on 08:36 - Jul 7 with 614 views | Gwyn737 |
| Keir Starmer, the globalist. on 08:00 - Jul 7 by Dr_Winston |
Do people who voluntarily pay extra to educate their kids thus saving the state the time and expense of doing so deserve a little tax break for doing so? No reason why not.
If they're serious about improving social mobility then they'll bring back some form of grammar education. Take the bright kids out of the sausage factories that Comprehensives are and give them the equivalent of a private schooling. |
I don't necessarily disagree but the official reason given for the tax breaks is to ensure that private schools do charity work. They don't really. It ends up being things like saying the local state primary can use their grounds for assembly points in case of a fire, or offering free tickets to a performance.
I'd have more sympathy if everyone was honest about it being tax breaks for the rich. And it is the rich.
I'n not going to back over the grammer argument again because the evidence is unequivocal that they are a barrier to social mobility.
To really improve social mobility through schools you need to do two things, neither of which tend to be politically popular:
1. Raise the profile and status of vocational education.
2. Stop chasing league tables. The obsession with having a 'World class education' means that PISA tables are the always the bar. This means all children sticking to an academic education to 18. [Post edited 7 Jul 2023 8:37]
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| Keir Starmer, the globalist. on 09:44 - Jul 7 with 589 views | Dr_Winston |
Couldn't agree more with your points one and two.
Some kids just aren't academic, and forcing them to remain so long past the point of effectiveness will only result in them becoming bored and/or disruptive. As long as they continue to get the three R's, then I see no problem whatsoever with vocational options being offered at the GCSE decision stage.
As for point two, In my own line of work I've seen statistical obsession swamp quality. For example, Some people are expected to see 20-25 customers a day when ten longer but higher quality appointments would yield better results. | |
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| Keir Starmer, the globalist. on 13:35 - Jul 7 with 559 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Keir Starmer, the globalist. on 19:58 - Jul 6 by Gwyn737 |
The author is Tom Hamilton from the EDSK think tank and yes he was a Tory advisor.
The class ceiling comment was really about social mobility which understandably all parties are keen on.
I don’t get this idea that removing VAT from private schools will hurt the ‘squeezed middle’. Private school fees have hit about 20k a year without any extras. To put two children all the way through from 4 to 18 it’s going to cost you a minimum of half a million pounds.
Do the people who can afford that really need charitable tax breaks? |
Tax the rich until the pips squeak. |  |
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| Keir Starmer, the globalist. on 16:45 - Jul 7 with 536 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Keir Starmer, the globalist. on 09:44 - Jul 7 by Dr_Winston |
Couldn't agree more with your points one and two.
Some kids just aren't academic, and forcing them to remain so long past the point of effectiveness will only result in them becoming bored and/or disruptive. As long as they continue to get the three R's, then I see no problem whatsoever with vocational options being offered at the GCSE decision stage.
As for point two, In my own line of work I've seen statistical obsession swamp quality. For example, Some people are expected to see 20-25 customers a day when ten longer but higher quality appointments would yield better results. |
I have long said chools need more vocational education, why not start apprenticeships in schools?
There is statistical obession in my job too, it means we spend hours every week doing nothing while waiting for the computer system to say we have finished when we finsihed 30 mins ago. But as long as the computer forms are filled in properly and the stats say we were on site and did the job in the required time it's all good. | | | |
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| Keir Starmer, the globalist. on 23:13 - Jul 7 with 496 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Keir Starmer, the globalist. on 16:45 - Jul 7 by SullutaCreturned |
I have long said chools need more vocational education, why not start apprenticeships in schools?
There is statistical obession in my job too, it means we spend hours every week doing nothing while waiting for the computer system to say we have finished when we finsihed 30 mins ago. But as long as the computer forms are filled in properly and the stats say we were on site and did the job in the required time it's all good. |
Why dont you tell them to change the system ? | |
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| Keir Starmer, the globalist. on 14:12 - Jul 8 with 451 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Keir Starmer, the globalist. on 23:13 - Jul 7 by Kilkennyjack |
Why dont you tell them to change the system ? |
Tell whom, the government or my company?
Neither would listen.
It has been pointed out to our bosses that our computer system is rubbish but they insist we persevere with it. | | | |
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