| The Drakeford report on 17:26 - Dec 1 with 1318 views | Kilkennyjack |
| The Drakeford report on 16:04 - Dec 1 by SullutaCreturned |
Strange, I have never seen or heard about the Senedd refusing money from Westminster. In fact Drakeford is always saying we should have more. In the past you yourself have said we are underfunded by Westminster. Sounds very much like demandingthat Westminster borrows more to give us more.
Do mae your mind up Kilky. Do you want more money for Wales or none at all? |
Absolutely yes.
Wales needs to invest to grow.
That is quite different to part of the cost for HS2, Crossrail, Heathrow expansion etc being decided on in England, for England and then part of the bill being allocated to Wales without our specific consent.
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| The Drakeford report on 17:38 - Dec 1 with 1315 views | Kilkennyjack |
| The Drakeford report on 21:37 - Nov 30 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Yes the EU countries don’t have any monarchies, apart from Spain, Belgium, Holland, Denmark, Sweden and all the other numerous monarchies/principalities/grand duchies in the Schengen area. Oh and the Pope.
It’s a good thing the EU countries have dispensed with such medieval nonsense. |
English royal family is hugely more expensive than any other version. Fact.
It is believed the Swedish royal family received an annual grant of around 135million Swedish Krona (£11.8million), although according to the Swedish Royal Court website, they received just SEK 90million (£6million) in 2017.
The Norwegian royal family received around 280million Norwegian Krone (£24.9million) in 2017, although there are reports it was as much as £35.7million in 2019.
Nevertheless, the UK stands out as being the most costly.
The Queen received £85.9million for the year 2020-21, head and shoulders above what most European royal families receive. [Post edited 1 Dec 2023 17:40]
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| The Drakeford report on 17:47 - Dec 1 with 1302 views | union_jack |
| The Drakeford report on 21:02 - Nov 30 by Kilkennyjack |
Not true.
Russia tried this with the Baltic States.
A debt taken out in your name by someone else, is not the same as a debt you have taken out.
For an indy wales to take on this debt then tbe uk would have prove that the people of wales gave their specific consent.
Consent is your freely given agreement to what is proposed, based on a full understanding of what is to happen.
England voting old debt onto indy wales will simply not stand. |
Well that would take the phrase ‘Welshing on your debts’ to a whole new level, wouldn’t it! |  |
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| The Drakeford report on 19:55 - Dec 1 with 1274 views | SullutaCreturned |
| The Drakeford report on 17:26 - Dec 1 by Kilkennyjack |
Absolutely yes.
Wales needs to invest to grow.
That is quite different to part of the cost for HS2, Crossrail, Heathrow expansion etc being decided on in England, for England and then part of the bill being allocated to Wales without our specific consent.
Please try to keep up at tbe back of the class. |
Ok then, so by your own words the Westminster government has permission to borrow more money in Wales name.
it's quite simple really Kilky you can't have it both ways, you can't deny the debt AND demand more money.
Here's a shocking truth for you, Kilky, I'm not at the back, YOU ARE and you are also facing the wrong way, turn around, pay attention and learn something. |  | | |
| The Drakeford report on 22:33 - Dec 1 with 1234 views | Boundy |
| The Drakeford report on 19:55 - Dec 1 by SullutaCreturned |
Ok then, so by your own words the Westminster government has permission to borrow more money in Wales name.
it's quite simple really Kilky you can't have it both ways, you can't deny the debt AND demand more money.
Here's a shocking truth for you, Kilky, I'm not at the back, YOU ARE and you are also facing the wrong way, turn around, pay attention and learn something. |
You forgot to add the wearing of a pointy hat with a large letter D inscribed in bright red letters | |
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| The Drakeford report on 07:00 - Dec 2 with 1212 views | Kilkennyjack |
| The Drakeford report on 17:47 - Dec 1 by union_jack |
Well that would take the phrase ‘Welshing on your debts’ to a whole new level, wouldn’t it! |
Thats the point dumbo.
Its not Wales’s debt. | |
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| The Drakeford report on 07:01 - Dec 2 with 1211 views | Kilkennyjack |
| The Drakeford report on 19:55 - Dec 1 by SullutaCreturned |
Ok then, so by your own words the Westminster government has permission to borrow more money in Wales name.
it's quite simple really Kilky you can't have it both ways, you can't deny the debt AND demand more money.
Here's a shocking truth for you, Kilky, I'm not at the back, YOU ARE and you are also facing the wrong way, turn around, pay attention and learn something. |
Yes you are. | |
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| The Drakeford report on 07:09 - Dec 2 with 1210 views | Kilkennyjack |
| The Drakeford report on 22:33 - Dec 1 by Boundy |
You forgot to add the wearing of a pointy hat with a large letter D inscribed in bright red letters |
At least i am not living my life on my knees.
You default position is a conditioned one.
The BBC have done a BritNat job on you.
You really believe that everything English is always better than anything Welsh (Or indeed other peoples).
We have had the most useless uk govt ever, who failed to do their job to protect the vulnerable and 100’s of thousands fellow citizens died as a direct result. They prioritised Brexit in a pandemic. They need jail time for manslaughter.
But you prioritise bitching about 20 mph speed limits and other anti welsh government bollox.
You are the old man who howls at the moon. | |
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| The Drakeford report on 08:43 - Dec 2 with 1191 views | Boundy |
| The Drakeford report on 07:09 - Dec 2 by Kilkennyjack |
At least i am not living my life on my knees.
You default position is a conditioned one.
The BBC have done a BritNat job on you.
You really believe that everything English is always better than anything Welsh (Or indeed other peoples).
We have had the most useless uk govt ever, who failed to do their job to protect the vulnerable and 100’s of thousands fellow citizens died as a direct result. They prioritised Brexit in a pandemic. They need jail time for manslaughter.
But you prioritise bitching about 20 mph speed limits and other anti welsh government bollox.
You are the old man who howls at the moon. |
At least i am not living my life on my knees. And you think you're Owain Glyndwr or could it be Braveheart lol
You default position is a conditioned one. If anyone has a default position its you, afraid of upsetting your Nat pals should you ever be critical of the Welsh dullards in cardiff
The BBC have done a BritNat job on you. I very rarely watch it , much better things to do with my time
You really believe that everything English is always better than anything Welsh (Or indeed other peoples). Not for once have I thought or said that the English are better than anyone let ,please provide evidence that I have .
We have had the most useless uk govt ever, who failed to do their job to protect the vulnerable and 100’s of thousands fellow citizens died as a direct result. They prioritised Brexit in a pandemic. They need jail time for manslaughter.
All devolved UK governments due to their policies had an influence on the high covid death rate , my mother in law died of covid in a Llanelli old folks home , she died ( along with tens of others there) because there was an influx of new residents who hadn't been tested .
But you prioritise bitching about 20 mph speed limits and other anti welsh government bollox.
I'm glad you agree about OTHER Welsh government policies being bollox , the only one I see on their knees is you , accepting everything that's thrown at you by the Welsh government , too scared to say anything in case you're seen as un patriotic .
I maybe older than you but certainly a lot wiser and well balanced , if it was any other political party in charge of Welsh life and were doing ( and not doing ) what this lot have been doing since devolution I'd be just as vociferous | |
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| The Drakeford report on 10:41 - Dec 2 with 1171 views | union_jack |
| The Drakeford report on 07:00 - Dec 2 by Kilkennyjack |
Thats the point dumbo.
Its not Wales’s debt. |
Dumbo??? You can do better than that young man!
It’s all been explained to you but there are none so blind who will not see, as the old saying goes.
Now if you can’t debate without the use of such pejorative terms, maybe take a break. You clearly are rattled at the moment. | |
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| The Drakeford report on 10:43 - Dec 2 with 1162 views | union_jack |
| The Drakeford report on 08:43 - Dec 2 by Boundy |
At least i am not living my life on my knees. And you think you're Owain Glyndwr or could it be Braveheart lol
You default position is a conditioned one. If anyone has a default position its you, afraid of upsetting your Nat pals should you ever be critical of the Welsh dullards in cardiff
The BBC have done a BritNat job on you. I very rarely watch it , much better things to do with my time
You really believe that everything English is always better than anything Welsh (Or indeed other peoples). Not for once have I thought or said that the English are better than anyone let ,please provide evidence that I have .
We have had the most useless uk govt ever, who failed to do their job to protect the vulnerable and 100’s of thousands fellow citizens died as a direct result. They prioritised Brexit in a pandemic. They need jail time for manslaughter.
All devolved UK governments due to their policies had an influence on the high covid death rate , my mother in law died of covid in a Llanelli old folks home , she died ( along with tens of others there) because there was an influx of new residents who hadn't been tested .
But you prioritise bitching about 20 mph speed limits and other anti welsh government bollox.
I'm glad you agree about OTHER Welsh government policies being bollox , the only one I see on their knees is you , accepting everything that's thrown at you by the Welsh government , too scared to say anything in case you're seen as un patriotic .
I maybe older than you but certainly a lot wiser and well balanced , if it was any other political party in charge of Welsh life and were doing ( and not doing ) what this lot have been doing since devolution I'd be just as vociferous |
Your last paragraphs couldn’t be more truthful. Absolutely how it is. | |
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| The Drakeford report on 11:07 - Dec 2 with 1151 views | Boundy |
| The Drakeford report on 10:43 - Dec 2 by union_jack |
Your last paragraphs couldn’t be more truthful. Absolutely how it is. |
It for me its not the colour of the rosette but the actions taken by those in power who happen to wear that particular colour .
Kilk states Wales need investment , anyone with a modicum of intelligence knows that , but the little that is is brought seems to only go as far as Cardiff and its environs , the rest Of Wales doesn't exist and yet he ignores the truth and would rather attack Westminster than those who are having a direct impact on our lives which is the Senedd controlled by people who have Welsh origins , The old labour party is no more otherwise why does it continue to treat us like the social experiment we've become. | |
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| The Drakeford report on 11:12 - Dec 2 with 1146 views | Wingstandwood |
I urge medical-science to evaluate WelshNats for a condition called 'Fantasy-prone personality' (FPP), you can throw conspiracy theorists and WOKE idiots into the mix at the very same time also.
Full independence?
Ask the WelshNats how the Cardiff Bay yokels are going to start completely from scratch, when just as one example 'NHS Blood and Transplant' (NHSBT) organisation no longer belongs under the same/single U.K NHS-family umbrella.
Ask them what country would be the one going cap in hand with a begging bowl to renegociate a deal to serve Welsh patients, with what would end up with a (IF AT ALL) vastly inferior service.
Ask them what country would then be entirely at the mercy (that's full independence for ya folks) of another country, that will in no way whatsoever be under any obligation(s), because 'NO' will be the only rational answer!
Because?(excuse the pun!).... Blood will well and truly become thicker than water!!!! Who takes priority? Your own countries patients or another countries patients? Common sense mmmmmmmm????
Natural disasters aside i.e. health care systems of OTHER countries do not work as charities for the country next door. Never mind WelshNats will still have songs of defiance, rebellion and isolation aimed at the very country where the begging bowl would be heading A.S.A.P in the event of full independence.
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| The Drakeford report on 11:15 - Dec 2 with 1138 views | union_jack |
| The Drakeford report on 11:07 - Dec 2 by Boundy |
It for me its not the colour of the rosette but the actions taken by those in power who happen to wear that particular colour .
Kilk states Wales need investment , anyone with a modicum of intelligence knows that , but the little that is is brought seems to only go as far as Cardiff and its environs , the rest Of Wales doesn't exist and yet he ignores the truth and would rather attack Westminster than those who are having a direct impact on our lives which is the Senedd controlled by people who have Welsh origins , The old labour party is no more otherwise why does it continue to treat us like the social experiment we've become. |
And of course to not support any WG initiative be it 20 mph, extra AMs etc. would be like letting the side down so they support them blindly or as they may say, loyally. | |
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| The Drakeford report on 11:20 - Dec 2 with 1129 views | union_jack |
| The Drakeford report on 11:12 - Dec 2 by Wingstandwood |
I urge medical-science to evaluate WelshNats for a condition called 'Fantasy-prone personality' (FPP), you can throw conspiracy theorists and WOKE idiots into the mix at the very same time also.
Full independence?
Ask the WelshNats how the Cardiff Bay yokels are going to start completely from scratch, when just as one example 'NHS Blood and Transplant' (NHSBT) organisation no longer belongs under the same/single U.K NHS-family umbrella.
Ask them what country would be the one going cap in hand with a begging bowl to renegociate a deal to serve Welsh patients, with what would end up with a (IF AT ALL) vastly inferior service.
Ask them what country would then be entirely at the mercy (that's full independence for ya folks) of another country, that will in no way whatsoever be under any obligation(s), because 'NO' will be the only rational answer!
Because?(excuse the pun!).... Blood will well and truly become thicker than water!!!! Who takes priority? Your own countries patients or another countries patients? Common sense mmmmmmmm????
Natural disasters aside i.e. health care systems of OTHER countries do not work as charities for the country next door. Never mind WelshNats will still have songs of defiance, rebellion and isolation aimed at the very country where the begging bowl would be heading A.S.A.P in the event of full independence.
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The think is, they’d shamelessly go cap in hand to Westminster and justify it under the banner of ‘reparations’. You know, after centuries of being trodden on and subjugated by those bluddy Englishhhh! | |
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| The Drakeford report on 11:43 - Dec 2 with 1128 views | Wingstandwood |
| The Drakeford report on 11:20 - Dec 2 by union_jack |
The think is, they’d shamelessly go cap in hand to Westminster and justify it under the banner of ‘reparations’. You know, after centuries of being trodden on and subjugated by those bluddy Englishhhh! |
What will happen will be obvious indeed.... It'll be back to the timeworn excuse that Wales is not being allowed to play on a level playing field, because of the English next door.
And the WelshNat vicious circle of victimhood will revolve in exactly same way as its always been.
But don't worry folks i.e. it'll truly become fill-ya-boots n' patronage and jobs-for-the-boys bonanza time in the newly created Nirvana-Cymru-Quango-Land.
Anyone fancy a ridiculously overpaid superfluous position within in a taxpayer funded Welsh language WOKE dept focused entirely on zero-end product and hot air?
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| The Drakeford report on 12:17 - Dec 2 with 1107 views | SullutaCreturned |
| The Drakeford report on 07:01 - Dec 2 by Kilkennyjack |
Yes you are. |
Your posting is still at these pathetic levels, with nothing worthwhile to say you resort to insults (however mild they are, insults still) and childish rhetoric.
It's you who is on your knees, Kilky. You kneel there, mouth wide open ready to swallow whatever nonsense Drakeford and co want to feed you. Then you spew that toilet talk back out on here.
You still say it's not our debt, the devolved government act on the peoples behalf, y'know, representative democracy, and they accept the money from Westminster so yes, under the system we use the Welsh people have accepted the debt is ours, we gave a Welsh government the mandate and they accepted the debt
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| The Drakeford report on 13:00 - Dec 2 with 1091 views | felixstowe_jack |
| The Drakeford report on 07:09 - Dec 2 by Kilkennyjack |
At least i am not living my life on my knees.
You default position is a conditioned one.
The BBC have done a BritNat job on you.
You really believe that everything English is always better than anything Welsh (Or indeed other peoples).
We have had the most useless uk govt ever, who failed to do their job to protect the vulnerable and 100’s of thousands fellow citizens died as a direct result. They prioritised Brexit in a pandemic. They need jail time for manslaughter.
But you prioritise bitching about 20 mph speed limits and other anti welsh government bollox.
You are the old man who howls at the moon. |
You clearly do not remember the Labour government in the late 1970s. Just Google the winter of discontent when the country when the Country was crippled by strikes and 29 million working days lost in 1979. Rubbish was piled high in the street. Bodies were not buried for months and the labour government collapsed. | |
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| The Drakeford report on 13:54 - Dec 2 with 1073 views | onehunglow |
| The Drakeford report on 22:13 - Nov 29 by Boundy |
Those last 8 words of yours provides the problem we face in Wales, a typical narrow minded short-sighted voter whose happy to see Wales face years of continual under investment, millions wasted , a closed talking shop which is set to expand in the favour of labour , the very party which was formed to protect the rights and care for the needs of not just the working man but of all which is now a disgrace and embarrassment to the memory of those who created the labour movement
Plaid are a non entity and can only hold onto the shirt tails of any party desperate enough to have them on board . |
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Plaid have only ever been relevant to a tiny section of welsh voters,mainly Welsh speaking heartlands. Plaid is rock solid in NW Wales and to a lesser extent Anglesey and that’s only so because of the English emigres .
Industrial Wales has always been Labour . Whole generations begat figure labour voters .
Yet, we see working class Welsh trying to take the pysss out of other regions only to end up stooped.
The poorest part of Britain stuck on the railway track on a downbound train | |
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| The Drakeford report on 22:26 - Dec 2 with 1016 views | controversial_jack |
| The Drakeford report on 13:00 - Dec 2 by felixstowe_jack |
You clearly do not remember the Labour government in the late 1970s. Just Google the winter of discontent when the country when the Country was crippled by strikes and 29 million working days lost in 1979. Rubbish was piled high in the street. Bodies were not buried for months and the labour government collapsed. |
Strikes weren’t happening every day. Refuse was collected more often than it is thesedays. There was a problem with one crematorium that’s all. 1978 was the year when the gap between rich and poor was at it’s narrowest ever. The 70s were paradise compared to now | | | |
| The Drakeford report on 23:40 - Dec 2 with 995 views | Togg |
| The Drakeford report on 22:26 - Dec 2 by controversial_jack |
Strikes weren’t happening every day. Refuse was collected more often than it is thesedays. There was a problem with one crematorium that’s all. 1978 was the year when the gap between rich and poor was at it’s narrowest ever. The 70s were paradise compared to now |
Three day weeks. Wild cat strikes , the poor man of Europe.
I think you need to renew your memory. | | | |
| The Drakeford report on 06:26 - Dec 3 with 966 views | felixstowe_jack |
| The Drakeford report on 23:40 - Dec 2 by Togg |
Three day weeks. Wild cat strikes , the poor man of Europe.
I think you need to renew your memory. |
Plus the Labour government had to go to the IMF to beg for a loan to bail them out. "Crisis what crisis " said James Callaghan. | |
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| The Drakeford report on 10:20 - Dec 3 with 929 views | controversial_jack |
| The Drakeford report on 23:40 - Dec 2 by Togg |
Three day weeks. Wild cat strikes , the poor man of Europe.
I think you need to renew your memory. |
Unlike now, when we don't have strikes? | | | |
| The Drakeford report on 10:51 - Dec 3 with 921 views | felixstowe_jack |
| The Drakeford report on 10:20 - Dec 3 by controversial_jack |
Unlike now, when we don't have strikes? |
Correct union members now have to vote to go on strike in an independent ballot. Back in the 70s Union leaders could call their members out on strike on a whim. Scargill called tye miners out on strike without a vote and after 12 months the mining industry was decimated with many pits never reopening. | |
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| The Drakeford report on 13:20 - Dec 3 with 887 views | controversial_jack |
| The Drakeford report on 10:51 - Dec 3 by felixstowe_jack |
Correct union members now have to vote to go on strike in an independent ballot. Back in the 70s Union leaders could call their members out on strike on a whim. Scargill called tye miners out on strike without a vote and after 12 months the mining industry was decimated with many pits never reopening. |
Yes, that's true, and you complain about restrictions on industrial action in Russia, do you not see the irony? | | | |
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