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Gaza 21:05 - Dec 5 with 5188 viewsbuilthjack

Seems to be turning into a genocide.
Hospitals, schools and orphanages bombed.
60% of homes bombed.
Where will it end ?
I think very soon others will be involved and god help us.

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Gaza on 14:10 - Dec 6 with 621 viewsonehunglow

Gaza on 13:59 - Dec 6 by AnotherJohn

You sound like a Holocaust denier.


He would not be alone
Nobody would admit to being such but their public comments can define them,rightly or wrongly .
I see Israel as being a rather paranoid country ,not surprisingly given his hate filled neighbours.
Their anger and indignation though makes them a target for those who hate Jews ( although hey deny that) .
Israel simply needs to be more cunning and subtle in how it deals with its murderous neighbours
Easy for us to say that though .

Supporting Palestinian murderers ,be it tacit or not has been part of left wing fabric ever since 1947.

Indys support the underdog ,which in this case is plain stupid .

Finally,Israel has not sent out people to slaughter innocents in far off countries as its Arab neighbours have .
No Israeli plane has been directly flown into a sky scraper as an example .

This fact was celebrated by Israel’s neighbours . Fact .

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Gaza on 14:11 - Dec 6 with 621 viewsTogg

Gaza on 13:19 - Dec 6 by trampie

What's alleged is what allegedly the other side did the other way around, the day before I was reading about what you was reading about, I had read the same thing about a 12 year old Palestinian girl and what IDF soldiers had done to her, Iike you on that occasion I could not finish the article, i dont think what i read was after 7th October either but before that date but not years and years ago.

This is not an opening salvo, hundreds of Palestinians had been killed this year alone before October 7th, the way our media cover the conflict it gives the impression that one side did something and the other side reacted that is not the full story or context.


and Israel have to defend their borders in Three different wars against the Arabs. Luckily Egypt saw sense.
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Gaza on 14:12 - Dec 6 with 617 viewsonehunglow

Gaza on 14:11 - Dec 6 by Togg

and Israel have to defend their borders in Three different wars against the Arabs. Luckily Egypt saw sense.


Egypt learned its lesson. A far bigger more powerful country than most in the Middle East .

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Gaza on 14:13 - Dec 6 with 615 viewsTogg

Gaza on 13:38 - Dec 6 by trampie

I would not say it is in anyway definitive that we in Europe have learnt to live in a civilised way and that the Middle East is centuries behind.
There is a huge war raging between two of Europe's largest countries at this moment in time between Russia and the Ukraine, in the 90s there was full scale war in Yugoslavia, France has had a go in North Africa and Indo China, England in the North of Ireland, two World wars centred around Europe in the last hundred years or so, European countries getting involved in the Middle East in the last few decades.
I don't think it's cut and dried to make a definite call to say Europe is civilised and the Middle East is not, perhaps both are uncivilised.


Well at least we are no longer fighting the Germans, the Spanish and French so that's a start. Northern Ireland was hardly a full scale war.
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Gaza on 14:15 - Dec 6 with 611 viewsTogg

Gaza on 13:28 - Dec 6 by trampie

Why were the Jews persecuted ?, is there a particular reason.
Others have been persecuted but those persecutions are often swept under the carpet and not commemorated, it has been said that some members of a so called historically persecuted group dont want other persecuted groups to be commemorated.


Pick up a couple of history books.
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Gaza on 14:20 - Dec 6 with 590 viewstrampie

Gaza on 14:15 - Dec 6 by Togg

Pick up a couple of history books.


Oh so judging by your reply you know but you are not going to say.

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Gaza on 14:21 - Dec 6 with 591 viewsTogg

Honestly discussing this subject with some is like trying to play chess with a Squirrel.
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Gaza on 14:25 - Dec 6 with 571 viewstrampie

Gaza on 14:13 - Dec 6 by Togg

Well at least we are no longer fighting the Germans, the Spanish and French so that's a start. Northern Ireland was hardly a full scale war.


We fought the Germans in the 40s and sunk the French fleet the same time, you could say some middle East countries haven't fought each other for a few years as well.
I don't think Europeans are particularly well behaved.

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Gaza on 14:30 - Dec 6 with 564 viewsAnotherJohn

Gaza on 14:09 - Dec 6 by trampie

The opposite, there has unfortunately been loads of genocides but lots are not as widely known about as the second world war nazi concentration camps are .


But the words you chose were " a so called historically persecuted group ". I read the use of "so-called" here as an attempt to cast doubt on the reality of persecution.
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Gaza on 14:34 - Dec 6 with 560 viewsTogg

Gaza on 14:25 - Dec 6 by trampie

We fought the Germans in the 40s and sunk the French fleet the same time, you could say some middle East countries haven't fought each other for a few years as well.
I don't think Europeans are particularly well behaved.


I'm on about current times not times when Israel was not even created. Read up on the origins of the first world war when European countries with their empires were itching to fight each other. The killing of Arch Duke Franz Ferdinand was the excuse for Austria Hungarian and the Germans needed.
Attitudes from the political and upper echelons were so different from today. Yes we had the break up of the Balkans. That's was always a potential powder keg. As for Russia, to me personally have always been outsiders.
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Gaza on 14:43 - Dec 6 with 550 viewsTogg

I'm not replying to anybody in particular but this a short video which I watched on YouTube a couple of days ago. It's only about 5 minutes long so just watch it and make your own mind up.
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Gaza on 14:58 - Dec 6 with 530 viewscontroversial_jack

Gaza on 14:09 - Dec 6 by Togg

Very much the same words as Hamas use.


Benny Yahoo, recently, showed a map of the region and Gaza wasn’t on it. It was just Israel from land to the sea. What do you think that means?
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Gaza on 15:28 - Dec 6 with 523 viewsScotia

Gaza on 14:07 - Dec 6 by controversial_jack

Why would that be seen as anti semitism? A govt, a regime is just that, it's not a people. I have nothing against Jews. My Aunt married one from Australia with Russian heritage. I thought he was a great guy.

I could say those that support Israel are Islamophobic.I can tell though when a particular regime acts like demons

Aren't the Palestinians Semites too?


Because you aren't calling a government or a regime Nazi's you're calling zionists Nazis.

It's classic left wing antisemitism, even if you don't realise it.

The other left wing antisemite has vaguely tried to conceal his downplaying of the holocaust. It's still antisemitism though.

You can't say anyyone who supports Israel is Islamophobic, an equivalent would be referring to all muslims as Al Qaeda.
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Gaza on 16:47 - Dec 6 with 499 viewsTogg

Gaza on 14:58 - Dec 6 by controversial_jack

Benny Yahoo, recently, showed a map of the region and Gaza wasn’t on it. It was just Israel from land to the sea. What do you think that means?


Ben Yahoo as you call him can be voted out as Israel is a democracy. A unique entity in the middle east. Hamas are out and out terrorists.
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Gaza on 17:13 - Dec 6 with 488 viewsonehunglow

Gaza on 14:30 - Dec 6 by AnotherJohn

But the words you chose were " a so called historically persecuted group ". I read the use of "so-called" here as an attempt to cast doubt on the reality of persecution.


So called is quite obviously a term questioning a subject,in this case persecution of the Jews not just in WW 11 but in bygone centuries.
People questioning this are without doubt either racist or plain stupid or both .
It is a fact Jewish people have been hounded throughout history especially by adherents of Christianity,mainly due to hatred engendered by the death of Christ by Jews .
I have just read the most sickening post for many years and my soul bleeds for these .
Is this what welsh nationalists are all about? Following left wing agenda against Jewish people. None have the guts to be forthwright and admit their contempt for Judaism and Jews .
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Gaza on 17:17 - Dec 6 with 485 viewsonehunglow

Gaza on 16:47 - Dec 6 by Togg

Ben Yahoo as you call him can be voted out as Israel is a democracy. A unique entity in the middle east. Hamas are out and out terrorists.


Arabs and Christians have their own places of worship.
This is not the case in the likes of Iran or Saudi. Not many chapels there .

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Gaza on 17:29 - Dec 6 with 477 viewstrampie

Gaza on 14:30 - Dec 6 by AnotherJohn

But the words you chose were " a so called historically persecuted group ". I read the use of "so-called" here as an attempt to cast doubt on the reality of persecution.


You took it the wrong way, the Jews have historically been persecuted, what the English did to them back in the day was terrible, what the Germans did to them in world war two was awful.
But are they persecuted now ?, they are and have been at the top in the Tory and Labour parties in recent times and at the top of the English fa in recent times as well as every other aspect of life, that is why I said historically persecuted group because I don't think they are persecuted now.

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Gaza on 17:32 - Dec 6 with 477 viewsonehunglow

Sometimes,when wrong,we have to accept it if only to ourselves

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Gaza on 17:39 - Dec 6 with 465 viewstrampie

Gaza on 14:11 - Dec 6 by Togg

and Israel have to defend their borders in Three different wars against the Arabs. Luckily Egypt saw sense.


More like the Western powers defended their borders with all the military aid they gave them.

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Gaza on 17:41 - Dec 6 with 461 viewsfelixstowe_jack

Gaza on 22:27 - Dec 5 by controversial_jack

It’s ethic cleansing. They want all the Palis out of Gaza, and if that means killing them all then that’s what they will do , they have said as much. It’s their final solution. I have never seen anything like this. It’s an abomination


If only Hamas has not murdered and mutilated over 1500 women and children when they started their genocide.

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Gaza on 17:45 - Dec 6 with 457 viewstrampie

Gaza on 14:34 - Dec 6 by Togg

I'm on about current times not times when Israel was not even created. Read up on the origins of the first world war when European countries with their empires were itching to fight each other. The killing of Arch Duke Franz Ferdinand was the excuse for Austria Hungarian and the Germans needed.
Attitudes from the political and upper echelons were so different from today. Yes we had the break up of the Balkans. That's was always a potential powder keg. As for Russia, to me personally have always been outsiders.


In the 40s Jewish terrorist groups were killing British soldiers, before the creation of Israel, as regards the first world war, Jews fighting for the Kaiser against our soldiers was just an accident of birth, there was some on our side but because of their location lots of them fought for the Kaiser because they were German born.

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Gaza on 17:48 - Dec 6 with 450 viewsonehunglow

Gaza on 17:41 - Dec 6 by felixstowe_jack

If only Hamas has not murdered and mutilated over 1500 women and children when they started their genocide.


I’ve been reading a book on African history of late and Russias involvement in the Horn of Africa and other parts is plain shocking.
He forgets the Red Army butchers and their speciality raping prowess .
This is a subhuman country whose adherents are pure poison .Literally .

Ukraine ,effectively dumped now as Israel hating takes precedence

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Gaza on 17:55 - Dec 6 with 440 viewsTogg

Gaza on 17:13 - Dec 6 by onehunglow

So called is quite obviously a term questioning a subject,in this case persecution of the Jews not just in WW 11 but in bygone centuries.
People questioning this are without doubt either racist or plain stupid or both .
It is a fact Jewish people have been hounded throughout history especially by adherents of Christianity,mainly due to hatred engendered by the death of Christ by Jews .
I have just read the most sickening post for many years and my soul bleeds for these .
Is this what welsh nationalists are all about? Following left wing agenda against Jewish people. None have the guts to be forthwright and admit their contempt for Judaism and Jews .
[Post edited 6 Dec 2023 17:15]


The Catholic Church has a lot to answer for!
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Gaza on 17:57 - Dec 6 with 438 viewsTogg

Gaza on 17:29 - Dec 6 by trampie

You took it the wrong way, the Jews have historically been persecuted, what the English did to them back in the day was terrible, what the Germans did to them in world war two was awful.
But are they persecuted now ?, they are and have been at the top in the Tory and Labour parties in recent times and at the top of the English fa in recent times as well as every other aspect of life, that is why I said historically persecuted group because I don't think they are persecuted now.


The English FFS...British if you're going to generalise.
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Gaza on 17:58 - Dec 6 with 436 viewsTogg

Gaza on 17:39 - Dec 6 by trampie

More like the Western powers defended their borders with all the military aid they gave them.


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