| Man city vs Liverpool ghost goal 07:15 - Feb 9 with 3419 views | hoops_legend |
I was just watching this last night and found myself slightly bemused by the goal being disallowed and a red card
Yes I understand the rules and yes two wrongs don't make a right but I see the tussle as one passage of play.
The Liverpool defender tried to cheat, yes cheat, and stop the goal. Why is it then that he's actually given what he wanted (which is to stop the goal) when he was cheating? Surely the fact the ball ended up in the net means football should prevail and goal is given
I don't agree with statement that ref played advantage and then haaland committed a foul. It was a tussle and one which the Liverpool player was trying to commit a foul and not play ball [Post edited 9 Feb 7:17]
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| Man city vs Liverpool ghost goal on 07:33 - Feb 9 with 2432 views | Lblock |
For me, it summed up how VAR can be anti-football and certainly is anti-common sense
Imagine if the score was actually 0-0 in the dying seconds and it’s the last game of the season with the result meaning something there and then.
It’d be chaos.
Your OP sums it up brilliantly |  |
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| Man city vs Liverpool ghost goal on 07:34 - Feb 9 with 2417 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
Once you have the monstrosity of VAR, any common sense goes out of the window. Toenail looks offside? Offside.
Of course the irony is that if Haaland had fouled him at a corner, nothing would have happened. |  | | |
| Man city vs Liverpool ghost goal on 07:50 - Feb 9 with 2389 views | Juzzie |
VAR does everything it can not to give goals. As said, football should prevail but VAR ensures it doesn’t. |  | | |
| Man city vs Liverpool ghost goal on 08:03 - Feb 9 with 2355 views | daveB |
It was VAR at it's finest, find a way to ruin a great moment.
The whole thing needs to be scrapped |  | | |
| Man city vs Liverpool ghost goal on 08:44 - Feb 9 with 2265 views | GaryBannister86 |
| Man city vs Liverpool ghost goal on 08:03 - Feb 9 by daveB |
It was VAR at it's finest, find a way to ruin a great moment.
The whole thing needs to be scrapped |
Couldn't agree more, Dave. But when this thought is mooted, it just gets shut down as "we've let the genie out the bottle, we can't put it back". Why not? There's not many proper, match-going fans in the country who wouldn't scrap it. Although, sadly, the armchair plastics - born in London, once saw Liverpool on the telly so now a "red" - seem to love it, and I suspect that they are worth more to the Premier League.
Maybe I am wrong and there are match-going fans who like it, but I've not met one. So how about all the proper fans forget their walkouts and boycotts because of the Glaziers / that they haven't won a trophy for a season, and do mass boycott of games until VAR is scrapped?
All that will be left will be the tourists with their cameras and half and half scarves, so let's see how the TV companies like the atmosphere then.
VAR to be scrapped entirely, only totally automated, instant decisions like the goalline watch can stay or reintroduce elements of it. So automated offsides that can buzz the lino - no issue with that if it happens. You are taking away the flow, the instant moment of jubilation and what's the point when you do that? |  | | |
| Man city vs Liverpool ghost goal on 09:05 - Feb 9 with 2212 views | stowmarketrange |
| Man city vs Liverpool ghost goal on 08:44 - Feb 9 by GaryBannister86 |
Couldn't agree more, Dave. But when this thought is mooted, it just gets shut down as "we've let the genie out the bottle, we can't put it back". Why not? There's not many proper, match-going fans in the country who wouldn't scrap it. Although, sadly, the armchair plastics - born in London, once saw Liverpool on the telly so now a "red" - seem to love it, and I suspect that they are worth more to the Premier League.
Maybe I am wrong and there are match-going fans who like it, but I've not met one. So how about all the proper fans forget their walkouts and boycotts because of the Glaziers / that they haven't won a trophy for a season, and do mass boycott of games until VAR is scrapped?
All that will be left will be the tourists with their cameras and half and half scarves, so let's see how the TV companies like the atmosphere then.
VAR to be scrapped entirely, only totally automated, instant decisions like the goalline watch can stay or reintroduce elements of it. So automated offsides that can buzz the lino - no issue with that if it happens. You are taking away the flow, the instant moment of jubilation and what's the point when you do that? |
A lot of premier league clubs ban fans that don’t turn up for matches now,so those fans that boycott games will lose their right to keep their season tickets.It happened to a lot of Geordies who boycotted games under Ashley.
Some clubs give a yellow card for non attendance. |  | | |
| Man city vs Liverpool ghost goal on 09:20 - Feb 9 with 2171 views | GaryBannister86 |
| Man city vs Liverpool ghost goal on 09:05 - Feb 9 by stowmarketrange |
A lot of premier league clubs ban fans that don’t turn up for matches now,so those fans that boycott games will lose their right to keep their season tickets.It happened to a lot of Geordies who boycotted games under Ashley.
Some clubs give a yellow card for non attendance. |
Wow, I didn't know that Stow. It has long since been the fan's game, I guess. | | | |
| Man city vs Liverpool ghost goal on 09:35 - Feb 9 with 2097 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
| Man city vs Liverpool ghost goal on 08:44 - Feb 9 by GaryBannister86 |
Couldn't agree more, Dave. But when this thought is mooted, it just gets shut down as "we've let the genie out the bottle, we can't put it back". Why not? There's not many proper, match-going fans in the country who wouldn't scrap it. Although, sadly, the armchair plastics - born in London, once saw Liverpool on the telly so now a "red" - seem to love it, and I suspect that they are worth more to the Premier League.
Maybe I am wrong and there are match-going fans who like it, but I've not met one. So how about all the proper fans forget their walkouts and boycotts because of the Glaziers / that they haven't won a trophy for a season, and do mass boycott of games until VAR is scrapped?
All that will be left will be the tourists with their cameras and half and half scarves, so let's see how the TV companies like the atmosphere then.
VAR to be scrapped entirely, only totally automated, instant decisions like the goalline watch can stay or reintroduce elements of it. So automated offsides that can buzz the lino - no issue with that if it happens. You are taking away the flow, the instant moment of jubilation and what's the point when you do that? |
The sad thing is they will just manufacture an atmosphere with fake crowd noise. With AI, they can probably turn a bunch of half-scarvers into the most rabid ultras. | | | |
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| Man city vs Liverpool ghost goal on 09:36 - Feb 9 with 2111 views | PlanetHonneywood |
Is VAR's the problem or is it how it is being used?
VAR captured what happened, and whereas we'd all probably have let the game go and the goal count, the authorities now seem to require the ref to follow what VAR has shown them, and apply the letter of the law.
I do think refs in footy and rugby, and now becoming increasingly beholden to the technology and avoid making a call out of fear that three days of post-game analysis will berate them and result in toxic online abuse for weeks to come!
Thus, for my money, the authorities have taken common sense out of the ref's purview and replaced it with a strict adherence to the technology. Let's face facts here, if VAR had been available years ago, then we would not have been moaning if it had brought back play and given Lampard the clear goal he'd scored against Germany in the Euros. However, we wouldn't have wanted it operational before August 1966!! |  |
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| Man city vs Liverpool ghost goal on 09:50 - Feb 9 with 2072 views | TheChef |
I saw the goal but had to head out the house so didn't see the final whistle, I just assumed the goal had been given since while Haaland had been clearly fouled, the goal was still scored so would stand anyway! Who gives a fck about endless replays because they thought Mr Blobby should still really get a red card??
The football authorities don't want to do away with VAR, end of the day it just causes more controversy, more media coverage which ultimately leads to more $$$$$$$$. Which is all they care about. |  |
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| Man city vs Liverpool ghost goal on 09:57 - Feb 9 with 2057 views | Juzzie |
"Is VAR's the problem or is it how it is being used?"
IMO, it's how it's being used. A lot of people still think VAR is automated (like goal-line technology). It's not, it's a bunch of Ladbrokes Lads, bantz, bantz, mate, mate so it's still down to human interpretation much like a ref & lino's except that they don't have a split second. They look at it for minutes over and over from 20 angles and still don't know what is the right decision...... then get it wrong. | | | |
| Man city vs Liverpool ghost goal on 12:33 - Feb 9 with 1875 views | charmr |
The laws of the game and ‘dogso’ intervened not VAR. [Post edited 9 Feb 12:39]
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| Man city vs Liverpool ghost goal on 13:17 - Feb 9 with 1758 views | Logman |
| Man city vs Liverpool ghost goal on 12:33 - Feb 9 by charmr |
The laws of the game and ‘dogso’ intervened not VAR. [Post edited 9 Feb 12:39]
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I thought it was the right decision and I was pleased to see the referee sticking to the rules and pissing off both sets of supporters in the process. It made my night and I went to bed a happy man. | | | |
| Man city vs Liverpool ghost goal on 13:26 - Feb 9 with 1727 views | CLAREMAN1995 |
Lost in all the drama over the ghost goal was a very suspicious tackle on a Liverpool player in the City box before that breakaway fiasco.
I thought the commentator mentioned a VAR check on a possible penalty and imagine the drama then if they called it all back and the game ended 2-2 with that penalty.
Haaland was poor but he scored some pressure penalty and was clear to bury that last "goal" but the City player panicked and shot wildly even if it still rooled in.
Great last 15 minutes though |  | | |
| Man city vs Liverpool ghost goal on 13:39 - Feb 9 with 1701 views | TheChef |
| Man city vs Liverpool ghost goal on 12:33 - Feb 9 by charmr |
The laws of the game and ‘dogso’ intervened not VAR. [Post edited 9 Feb 12:39]
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Well the dogso reason is bullshit if the goal still gets scored in the same passage of play! | |
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| Man city vs Liverpool ghost goal on 14:56 - Feb 9 with 1553 views | daveB |
| Man city vs Liverpool ghost goal on 08:44 - Feb 9 by GaryBannister86 |
Couldn't agree more, Dave. But when this thought is mooted, it just gets shut down as "we've let the genie out the bottle, we can't put it back". Why not? There's not many proper, match-going fans in the country who wouldn't scrap it. Although, sadly, the armchair plastics - born in London, once saw Liverpool on the telly so now a "red" - seem to love it, and I suspect that they are worth more to the Premier League.
Maybe I am wrong and there are match-going fans who like it, but I've not met one. So how about all the proper fans forget their walkouts and boycotts because of the Glaziers / that they haven't won a trophy for a season, and do mass boycott of games until VAR is scrapped?
All that will be left will be the tourists with their cameras and half and half scarves, so let's see how the TV companies like the atmosphere then.
VAR to be scrapped entirely, only totally automated, instant decisions like the goalline watch can stay or reintroduce elements of it. So automated offsides that can buzz the lino - no issue with that if it happens. You are taking away the flow, the instant moment of jubilation and what's the point when you do that? |
They had 3 big calls in that game yesterday. Guehi pulling back Salah, the penalty and the goal. The ref on the pitch got all 3 right, VAR didn't need to get invovled in any of them but made sure they did.
Agree on the automation as well, if you could get the technology to do it for offside then great but the whole thing just feels like finding ways to disallow a goal amnd all the standing around. That Villa one last week where they ended up using footage from a fan in the crowd to prove they were right sums it up. Just petty bastards get it in the bin | | | |
| Man city vs Liverpool ghost goal on 14:58 - Feb 9 with 1550 views | daveB |
| Man city vs Liverpool ghost goal on 09:36 - Feb 9 by PlanetHonneywood |
Is VAR's the problem or is it how it is being used?
VAR captured what happened, and whereas we'd all probably have let the game go and the goal count, the authorities now seem to require the ref to follow what VAR has shown them, and apply the letter of the law.
I do think refs in footy and rugby, and now becoming increasingly beholden to the technology and avoid making a call out of fear that three days of post-game analysis will berate them and result in toxic online abuse for weeks to come!
Thus, for my money, the authorities have taken common sense out of the ref's purview and replaced it with a strict adherence to the technology. Let's face facts here, if VAR had been available years ago, then we would not have been moaning if it had brought back play and given Lampard the clear goal he'd scored against Germany in the Euros. However, we wouldn't have wanted it operational before August 1966!! |
They've had to change rules to make VAR work and are now having to do it with offside so VAR is the problem along with fans, managers, players etc all unable accept refs will get things wrong but thats part of the game. VAR is a search for perfection in a sport which is at it's very best when it is chaotic. | | | |
| Man city vs Liverpool ghost goal on 15:29 - Feb 9 with 1472 views | SunnyVanGo |
| Man city vs Liverpool ghost goal on 09:36 - Feb 9 by PlanetHonneywood |
Is VAR's the problem or is it how it is being used?
VAR captured what happened, and whereas we'd all probably have let the game go and the goal count, the authorities now seem to require the ref to follow what VAR has shown them, and apply the letter of the law.
I do think refs in footy and rugby, and now becoming increasingly beholden to the technology and avoid making a call out of fear that three days of post-game analysis will berate them and result in toxic online abuse for weeks to come!
Thus, for my money, the authorities have taken common sense out of the ref's purview and replaced it with a strict adherence to the technology. Let's face facts here, if VAR had been available years ago, then we would not have been moaning if it had brought back play and given Lampard the clear goal he'd scored against Germany in the Euros. However, we wouldn't have wanted it operational before August 1966!! |
Agree.
But when we’re talking about the game getting lost in a VAR hole, let’s not confuse it with other tech introductions.
Goal line technology is not VAR and so the Lampard ghost goal example doesn’t make sense to me.
Henry v ROI is perhaps a better historical example?
I like goal line tech - very simple b/w use of tech. Let’s keep the stuff that adds value.
VAR is dog shit. |  | | |
| Man city vs Liverpool ghost goal on 15:34 - Feb 9 with 1460 views | bosh67 |
God I hate VAR.
I was actually waiting for someone to run on at the last minute and drag the goal out the way. |  |
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| Man city vs Liverpool ghost goal on 15:40 - Feb 9 with 1440 views | kensalriser |
I haven't seen this as watching Liverpool v Man City isn't something I do, but if a foul was committed by a defender in the process of a goal being scored, can't the ref just declare advantage and then issue a card as appropriate? |  |
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| Man city vs Liverpool ghost goal on 15:50 - Feb 9 with 1407 views | stowmarketrange |
| Man city vs Liverpool ghost goal on 15:40 - Feb 9 by kensalriser |
I haven't seen this as watching Liverpool v Man City isn't something I do, but if a foul was committed by a defender in the process of a goal being scored, can't the ref just declare advantage and then issue a card as appropriate? |
He did,but then Haarland pulled back the Liverpool defender as he was trying to clear it off the line.The 2nd foul would’ve been given if he played advantage for the 1st foul.
It was a real mess,and I don’t know what the right decision was.
But if was a winning goal rather than just a 3rd I wonder if Pep would’ve been so happy? | | | |
| Man city vs Liverpool ghost goal on 16:24 - Feb 9 with 1354 views | cpgerber |
Crazy or not, the end decision was correct according to the laws.
As explained already, very simply summed up:
Szoboszlai commits foul, advantage is played.
Szoboszlai then could clear ball, but is fouled by Haaland, which has to be blown for. But that means no advantage, so have to go back to first offence. |  | | |
| Man city vs Liverpool ghost goal on 16:55 - Feb 9 with 1300 views | daveB |
| Man city vs Liverpool ghost goal on 15:50 - Feb 9 by stowmarketrange |
He did,but then Haarland pulled back the Liverpool defender as he was trying to clear it off the line.The 2nd foul would’ve been given if he played advantage for the 1st foul.
It was a real mess,and I don’t know what the right decision was.
But if was a winning goal rather than just a 3rd I wonder if Pep would’ve been so happy? |
Neither of them were gonna get to the ball anyway, should have just given the goal | | | |
| Man city vs Liverpool ghost goal on 17:03 - Feb 9 with 1281 views | loftboy |
The referee made the correct decision, one Haaland fouled the defender the goal could not be given.
Going forward had it been given the team playing Liverpool next week would be facing a player that should be suspended and what if city end up on the same points as Arsenal and win the league by one goal? |  |
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| Man city vs Liverpool ghost goal on 17:56 - Feb 9 with 1194 views | Paddyhoops |
| Man city vs Liverpool ghost goal on 15:40 - Feb 9 by kensalriser |
I haven't seen this as watching Liverpool v Man City isn't something I do, but if a foul was committed by a defender in the process of a goal being scored, can't the ref just declare advantage and then issue a card as appropriate? |
That would require common sense but we can’t have that . | | | |
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