| Injuries 19:54 - Feb 15 with 3793 views | VancouverHoop |
There's no question that injuries to first team players continues to be a significant factor at QPR. What I'm not sure of however is whether it's worse than other teams in our division. Are there statistics on the number of players lost through injury per team, and number of games they miss? |  | | |  |
| Injuries on 20:29 - Feb 15 with 2394 views | KensalT |
Edit
- Forget my initial response.
Performance data in American sports and English football is owned by the clubs.
The key difference (according to Gemini AI) is that American sports requires certain injuries to be reportable to protect the integrity of betting, but there are no equivalent rules in English football
https://share.google/aimode/U4
"Common Reportable Injuries by Category
- Ligament Sprains & Muscle Strains: The most common injuries, often affecting the knee (ACL, MCL) or ankle.
- Concussions: Frequently reported, particularly in football, soccer, and lacrosse, and sometimes reported regardless of time loss.
- Contusions (Bruises): Very common, representing a high percentage of overall reported injuries.
- Fractures & Dislocations: Broken bones (e.g., collarbone) and joint displacements.
- Overuse Injuries: Conditions like tendinitis, stress fractures, or bursitis resulting from repetitive strain.
- Acute Trauma: Injuries from collisions, such as lacerations or punctures.
- Heat Illness: Conditions like heat stroke or heat exhaustion, especially in football.
Specific Reporting Contexts
- NCAA & High School (RIO): Injuries are reported if they require medical attention and cause a player to miss at least one day of activity. However, serious injuries like concussions and fractures are reported even if they do not result in time loss.
- NFL/Professional: Teams are required to disclose any injury that affects a player's ability to practice or play at 100% capacity (e.g., "limited" or "did not participate") to the public to prevent gambling insider information.
- Time-Loss Severity: Injuries are further classified as Minor (<8 days), Moderate (8-21 days), or Severe (>21 days).
Common Reportable Injury Locations
- Head/Face: High incidence of concussions and lacerations.
- Knee: ACL and MCL tears, as well as meniscal injuries.
- Ankle: Sprains, especially in basketball and soccer.
- Shoulder: Strains and dislocations.
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| Injuries on 21:03 - Feb 15 with 2302 views | VancouverHoop |
| Injuries on 20:29 - Feb 15 by KensalT |
Edit
- Forget my initial response.
Performance data in American sports and English football is owned by the clubs.
The key difference (according to Gemini AI) is that American sports requires certain injuries to be reportable to protect the integrity of betting, but there are no equivalent rules in English football
https://share.google/aimode/U4
"Common Reportable Injuries by Category
- Ligament Sprains & Muscle Strains: The most common injuries, often affecting the knee (ACL, MCL) or ankle.
- Concussions: Frequently reported, particularly in football, soccer, and lacrosse, and sometimes reported regardless of time loss.
- Contusions (Bruises): Very common, representing a high percentage of overall reported injuries.
- Fractures & Dislocations: Broken bones (e.g., collarbone) and joint displacements.
- Overuse Injuries: Conditions like tendinitis, stress fractures, or bursitis resulting from repetitive strain.
- Acute Trauma: Injuries from collisions, such as lacerations or punctures.
- Heat Illness: Conditions like heat stroke or heat exhaustion, especially in football.
Specific Reporting Contexts
- NCAA & High School (RIO): Injuries are reported if they require medical attention and cause a player to miss at least one day of activity. However, serious injuries like concussions and fractures are reported even if they do not result in time loss.
- NFL/Professional: Teams are required to disclose any injury that affects a player's ability to practice or play at 100% capacity (e.g., "limited" or "did not participate") to the public to prevent gambling insider information.
- Time-Loss Severity: Injuries are further classified as Minor (<8 days), Moderate (8-21 days), or Severe (>21 days).
Common Reportable Injury Locations
- Head/Face: High incidence of concussions and lacerations.
- Knee: ACL and MCL tears, as well as meniscal injuries.
- Ankle: Sprains, especially in basketball and soccer.
- Shoulder: Strains and dislocations.
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Certainly that's the case here and in the US.
I did wonder however whether interested 'third parties' in the media, or among statto obsessed fans, in English football might be tracking missing appearances in the Championship. Given that they're such a significant factor in a team's success, or failure, these days. | | | |
| Injuries on 21:09 - Feb 15 with 2273 views | KensalT |
| Injuries on 21:03 - Feb 15 by VancouverHoop |
Certainly that's the case here and in the US.
I did wonder however whether interested 'third parties' in the media, or among statto obsessed fans, in English football might be tracking missing appearances in the Championship. Given that they're such a significant factor in a team's success, or failure, these days. |
I changed my original answer with some help from AI.
It seems that in America there is transparency around sports injuries to protect gambling integrity.
There aren't any similar transparency rules for British football. | | | |
| Injuries on 21:18 - Feb 15 with 2157 views | stainrods_elbow |
I don't know if we have more injuries than other clubs, but I'd wager a decent sum no other club whines and lies about it more than us. That's when our manager isn't excusing our performances with reference to medium-distance coach journeys, the weather, 3-day weeks, budgets, or Serge Gainsbourg's way with women. |  |
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| Injuries on 22:25 - Feb 15 with 2108 views | nix |
I don’t know about overall data for the Championship but the Besoccer website has the current injuries for each individual club which seems pretty accurate. They are generally wrong about when players are coming back for us - possibly because of our Club Omertà but the actual injuries seem right. We are certainly worse than many other Championship clubs which tend to have four or five out rather than our seven or eight. Although Millwall have had ten injuries at one point this season and Hull City eight. But maybe their players a) come back more quickly or b) are not as integral to the squad as say Burrell and Chair??? |  | | |
| Injuries on 22:32 - Feb 15 with 2089 views | BrianMcCarthy |
I honestly don't think the injuries should be the pint of primary focus.
We need to go one step back and look at our lack of fitness - speed, strength, and especially stamina.
That will raises two questions:
1) Is our lack of fitness costing us games? and
2) Is our lack of fitness causing injuries, which are also costing us games? |  |
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| Injuries on 22:44 - Feb 15 with 2061 views | KensalT |
| Injuries on 22:32 - Feb 15 by BrianMcCarthy |
I honestly don't think the injuries should be the pint of primary focus.
We need to go one step back and look at our lack of fitness - speed, strength, and especially stamina.
That will raises two questions:
1) Is our lack of fitness costing us games? and
2) Is our lack of fitness causing injuries, which are also costing us games? |
For me injuries are important because the club's player trading model will suffer if we can't keep players fit.
But in terms of performance on the pitch I agree with you that the condition of our players hasn't looked good enough.
But whether it's injuries or conditioning that all comes down to Ben Williams who ultimately reports to Nourry. | | | |
| Injuries on 22:47 - Feb 15 with 2046 views | KensalT |
| Injuries on 22:25 - Feb 15 by nix |
I don’t know about overall data for the Championship but the Besoccer website has the current injuries for each individual club which seems pretty accurate. They are generally wrong about when players are coming back for us - possibly because of our Club Omertà but the actual injuries seem right. We are certainly worse than many other Championship clubs which tend to have four or five out rather than our seven or eight. Although Millwall have had ten injuries at one point this season and Hull City eight. But maybe their players a) come back more quickly or b) are not as integral to the squad as say Burrell and Chair??? |
But where does Besoccer get its data from?
If there's no obligation on clubs to report injuries Besoccer is possibly scraping news reports or club social media posts for its data, and that's never going to be reliable. | | | |
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| Injuries on 07:39 - Feb 16 with 1749 views | connell10 |
Injuries have done for us again , this problem needs sorting! |  |
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| Injuries on 10:15 - Feb 16 with 1609 views | WestminsteRs |
My theory on this is that we play too much of the season at full pelt. In this age of data I am sure there must be a metric for it but essentially when we win games we typically don't cruise to 2-0 or 3-0 victories. Leicester H and Sheffield Wed H are the only two games I can think of where we might have had scope to dial down the intensity or take key players off. As it happens by half time in the Sheffield Wed game we'd already lost three players to injury.
This marginality of win is the reason we were never likely to put an extended run together and why we struggle with the dreaded three game weeks. The evidence for this is in our goal difference. Yes, this is skewed still by the Coventry debacle but we've consistently been the only side in the top 15 of the league with a negative GD and you have to go down to Charlton in 18th for a GD that's worse than ours. Only two in the top 17 (us and Swansea have negative GDs).
Look at Nicolas Madsen. Since 28 October he has not only started every game but he's played almost every minute of those games. Because we were comfortable against Leicester he was removed after 75 mins and he came off at 83 mins at West Brom A . So until he was withdrawn injured on Saturday he'd played pretty much every minute of every game and within those matches, for the reasons set out above, we're also not able to steadily knock the ball around from a position of numerical superiority. In the last 25 minutes of matches we're generally chasing games, clinging on or it's level pegging.
This is also why I think we struggle to develop younger players. Being two or three goals up with 20 mins to go would be the time to give Esquerdinha, Adamson, Smith, Bennie and others some game time. |  | | |
| Injuries on 10:46 - Feb 16 with 1552 views | wombat |
| Injuries on 10:15 - Feb 16 by WestminsteRs |
My theory on this is that we play too much of the season at full pelt. In this age of data I am sure there must be a metric for it but essentially when we win games we typically don't cruise to 2-0 or 3-0 victories. Leicester H and Sheffield Wed H are the only two games I can think of where we might have had scope to dial down the intensity or take key players off. As it happens by half time in the Sheffield Wed game we'd already lost three players to injury.
This marginality of win is the reason we were never likely to put an extended run together and why we struggle with the dreaded three game weeks. The evidence for this is in our goal difference. Yes, this is skewed still by the Coventry debacle but we've consistently been the only side in the top 15 of the league with a negative GD and you have to go down to Charlton in 18th for a GD that's worse than ours. Only two in the top 17 (us and Swansea have negative GDs).
Look at Nicolas Madsen. Since 28 October he has not only started every game but he's played almost every minute of those games. Because we were comfortable against Leicester he was removed after 75 mins and he came off at 83 mins at West Brom A . So until he was withdrawn injured on Saturday he'd played pretty much every minute of every game and within those matches, for the reasons set out above, we're also not able to steadily knock the ball around from a position of numerical superiority. In the last 25 minutes of matches we're generally chasing games, clinging on or it's level pegging.
This is also why I think we struggle to develop younger players. Being two or three goals up with 20 mins to go would be the time to give Esquerdinha, Adamson, Smith, Bennie and others some game time. |
if u had been to some of the recent away games full pelt isnt a word id use to describe what was offered up. turgid boring urgly would be a better desicription of the first halfs , football last season wasnt much better but we rarely got tonked , something this season is usually just around the corner , next one expected on sat at Hull and yes im going , last season we had a poor swaud and still rarely got battered , it was usually a one goal diff |  |
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| Injuries on 10:59 - Feb 16 with 1514 views | Loyalitat |
| Injuries on 10:46 - Feb 16 by wombat |
if u had been to some of the recent away games full pelt isnt a word id use to describe what was offered up. turgid boring urgly would be a better desicription of the first halfs , football last season wasnt much better but we rarely got tonked , something this season is usually just around the corner , next one expected on sat at Hull and yes im going , last season we had a poor swaud and still rarely got battered , it was usually a one goal diff |
Exactly this. The majority of victories gained in this league are by the odd goal. It's wonderfully idealistic to suggest that it would be great to win by more than one goal, but that's largely the exception not the rule.
Had a quick glance at Millwall's results this season and the odd goal victories predominate. | | | |
| Injuries on 11:04 - Feb 16 with 1505 views | wombat |
| Injuries on 10:59 - Feb 16 by Loyalitat |
Exactly this. The majority of victories gained in this league are by the odd goal. It's wonderfully idealistic to suggest that it would be great to win by more than one goal, but that's largely the exception not the rule.
Had a quick glance at Millwall's results this season and the odd goal victories predominate. |
that shows us that yes we have 3 more points on the board this season for games played , but with a way way poorer swaud last season id say we was a better sqaud , we lost yes but uusually by the odd goal not by 2/3 goals as seems to be the normal this season . | |
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| Injuries on 11:50 - Feb 16 with 1450 views | WestminsteRs |
| Injuries on 10:59 - Feb 16 by Loyalitat |
Exactly this. The majority of victories gained in this league are by the odd goal. It's wonderfully idealistic to suggest that it would be great to win by more than one goal, but that's largely the exception not the rule.
Had a quick glance at Millwall's results this season and the odd goal victories predominate. |
In the past month Millwall have beaten Charlton 4-0, Wrexham 2-0 and Watford 2-0. Derby's last two victories have been 2-0 and 5-0. | | | |
| Injuries on 11:55 - Feb 16 with 1427 views | WestminsteRs |
| Injuries on 10:46 - Feb 16 by wombat |
if u had been to some of the recent away games full pelt isnt a word id use to describe what was offered up. turgid boring urgly would be a better desicription of the first halfs , football last season wasnt much better but we rarely got tonked , something this season is usually just around the corner , next one expected on sat at Hull and yes im going , last season we had a poor swaud and still rarely got battered , it was usually a one goal diff |
Full pelt theoretically - a game state where we are unable to ease off in any way. Having been to four or five away games this season I think I have seen us score one goal. Charlton was appalling, no doubt.
We may look like we ease off for half the season, but I rarely actually doubt that they're trying. Clueless sometimes and occasionally lacking any quality. Blackburn at the weekend was a bit different though - I thought we did look from quite early on as though the win would be a formality. Then they scored and it gave us a jolt. We scored. They scored again and we really wasn't up for the fight at that point. | | | |
| Injuries on 12:10 - Feb 16 with 1402 views | kensalriser |
| Injuries on 11:04 - Feb 16 by wombat |
that shows us that yes we have 3 more points on the board this season for games played , but with a way way poorer swaud last season id say we was a better sqaud , we lost yes but uusually by the odd goal not by 2/3 goals as seems to be the normal this season . |
Last season we lost ten games by more than a one goal margin.
This season, with 70% of games played, we've lost five games by more than a one goal margin.
So we're actually doing a fair bit better on that count. We're also doing better on the reverse metric: last season we won six games by more than one goal, this season we're already at five. |  |
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| Injuries on 17:20 - Feb 16 with 1255 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Injuries on 22:32 - Feb 15 by BrianMcCarthy |
I honestly don't think the injuries should be the pint of primary focus.
We need to go one step back and look at our lack of fitness - speed, strength, and especially stamina.
That will raises two questions:
1) Is our lack of fitness costing us games? and
2) Is our lack of fitness causing injuries, which are also costing us games? |
"I honestly don't think the injuries should be the pint of primary focus."
I can see what your subconscious focus is! [Post edited 16 Feb 17:21]
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| Injuries on 17:56 - Feb 16 with 1213 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Injuries on 17:20 - Feb 16 by Benny_the_Ball |
"I honestly don't think the injuries should be the pint of primary focus."
I can see what your subconscious focus is! [Post edited 16 Feb 17:21]
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Never touch the stuff, y'r honour...hic... | |
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| Injuries on 18:17 - Feb 16 with 1156 views | OldPedro |
| Injuries on 17:56 - Feb 16 by BrianMcCarthy |
Never touch the stuff, y'r honour...hic... |
It's all those Lemsips you've been drinking........ |  |
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| Injuries on 18:52 - Feb 16 with 1097 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Injuries on 18:17 - Feb 16 by OldPedro |
It's all those Lemsips you've been drinking........ |
I've gone cold turkey today, Pedro.
Got the DT's. | |
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| Injuries on 19:12 - Feb 16 with 1073 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Injuries on 17:56 - Feb 16 by BrianMcCarthy |
Never touch the stuff, y'r honour...hic... |
The prosecution begs to differ. Just pint to the evidence... | | | |
| Injuries on 20:29 - Feb 16 with 1020 views | nix |
| Injuries on 22:47 - Feb 15 by KensalT |
But where does Besoccer get its data from?
If there's no obligation on clubs to report injuries Besoccer is possibly scraping news reports or club social media posts for its data, and that's never going to be reliable. |
It’s reasonably accurate when you compare it to players who are actually playing. It gives you a rough idea compared to not having a clue. | | | |
| Injuries on 22:03 - Feb 16 with 911 views | nix |
https://www.westlondonsport.co
Yay! Good news at last!
Chair, Varane and Madsen all available for Saturday. [Post edited 16 Feb 22:04]
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| Injuries on 22:31 - Feb 16 with 831 views | ted_hendrix |
Well It might be my Imagination/memory but pretty much every other Saturday In the 60'--70s etcetera when you turned up at LR the team would be almost Identical to the team that last played together Two weeks previously and that Includes the away game in between.
The majority of todays pitches are way better than back then so I don't understand these ridiculous Injuries we are now suffering.
We are currently in the 21st century things have moved on training/ methodology/club Doctors, blah blah bloody blah, I know the pitch down by the Ellerslie Road has cut up badly but go back a few decades and our pitch wasn't great back then.
Stan Bowles with the ball at his feet In the LR mud bamboozling everyone In the stadium with the ball sticking to his feet In the pouring rain.
Sicknote alert. |  |
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| Injuries on 22:39 - Feb 16 with 814 views | nix |
| Injuries on 22:31 - Feb 16 by ted_hendrix |
Well It might be my Imagination/memory but pretty much every other Saturday In the 60'--70s etcetera when you turned up at LR the team would be almost Identical to the team that last played together Two weeks previously and that Includes the away game in between.
The majority of todays pitches are way better than back then so I don't understand these ridiculous Injuries we are now suffering.
We are currently in the 21st century things have moved on training/ methodology/club Doctors, blah blah bloody blah, I know the pitch down by the Ellerslie Road has cut up badly but go back a few decades and our pitch wasn't great back then.
Stan Bowles with the ball at his feet In the LR mud bamboozling everyone In the stadium with the ball sticking to his feet In the pouring rain.
Sicknote alert. |
It’s not the same game now. You can’t compare the two. The pace, the physicality of the game (not tackles but how much more athletic they have to be, the high press. Remember Stan Bowles on Superstars, he was hopeless compared to the really fit guys.
Also the players from then probably played half the time on painkillers and barely have knees.
Comparing us to other Championship sides’ injury records makes absolute sense. Looking back into the mists of time is a waste of time. | | | |
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