| South Wales police step back from imposing so-called blasphemy law 19:10 - Jun 9 with 4154 views | AnotherJohn |
Guidance requiring the SW police to log "anti-Islam hostility" has been paused after a threat from the Free Speech Union to seek a judicial review.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news
It looks as though another woke Senedd-inspired policy has come up against the reality of public opinion. |  | | |  |
| South Wales police step back from imposing so-called blasphemy law on 18:17 - Jun 17 with 854 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| South Wales police step back from imposing so-called blasphemy law on 15:44 - Jun 15 by JACKMANANDBOY |
Some seen very keen to import the murderous sectarianism of the Middle East to the UK. |
I believe we should ban from these shores Salafist Whabi sects of any Muslim faith that supports Holy Jihad. We should also ban radical Zionists. It is a murky definition.
The Islamic faith has many branches. UK immigration should be fully informed of these and ban migrants of any faith that is commited to harming us and imposing their will. We have the academics to determine this. Similarly far right Zionists should lbe banned from these shores. From what I understand freedom of religion is justified for asylum even if it potentially commited to violence against other faiths. [Post edited 17 Jun 18:26]
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| South Wales police step back from imposing so-called blasphemy law on 19:28 - Jun 17 with 796 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| South Wales police step back from imposing so-called blasphemy law on 18:17 - Jun 17 by ReslovenSwan1 |
I believe we should ban from these shores Salafist Whabi sects of any Muslim faith that supports Holy Jihad. We should also ban radical Zionists. It is a murky definition.
The Islamic faith has many branches. UK immigration should be fully informed of these and ban migrants of any faith that is commited to harming us and imposing their will. We have the academics to determine this. Similarly far right Zionists should lbe banned from these shores. From what I understand freedom of religion is justified for asylum even if it potentially commited to violence against other faiths. [Post edited 17 Jun 18:26]
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There are 57 Muslim states in the World and one Jewish state. Arabs own 98.8 percent of the Middle East guess which bit the extremists want.
That the kind of sectarianism we don't want to import, I don't see anything wrong with having a Jewish state. |  |
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| South Wales police step back from imposing so-called blasphemy law on 20:47 - Jun 17 with 767 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| South Wales police step back from imposing so-called blasphemy law on 19:28 - Jun 17 by JACKMANANDBOY |
There are 57 Muslim states in the World and one Jewish state. Arabs own 98.8 percent of the Middle East guess which bit the extremists want.
That the kind of sectarianism we don't want to import, I don't see anything wrong with having a Jewish state. |
I do not believe in supporting theocracies a of any kind. As an non Jew or Muslim immediately become a second class citizen in their lands. They are intrinsically sectarian. I would not chose to live in either Isreal or Iran.
In Turkiye where i lived everyone has their religion on their id card. which is compulsory. This is notionally to help in identifying the right burial ceremonies. I rarely was made evident to me that Turkiye was a muslin Country back in the 1990s.
I have no love or hate for Isreal and would like them to have 98.8% of the middle east in 30 years time.
On the subject of the thread the definition of Antisemitism is extremely wide and probably deliberately so. It is not UK law but advisory. A judge would have a free reign to take the advice or ignore it depending on who is on trial.
The current Labour Government is particularity pro Isreal. | |
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| South Wales police step back from imposing so-called blasphemy law on 21:17 - Jun 17 with 747 views | onehunglow |
| South Wales police step back from imposing so-called blasphemy law on 20:47 - Jun 17 by ReslovenSwan1 |
I do not believe in supporting theocracies a of any kind. As an non Jew or Muslim immediately become a second class citizen in their lands. They are intrinsically sectarian. I would not chose to live in either Isreal or Iran.
In Turkiye where i lived everyone has their religion on their id card. which is compulsory. This is notionally to help in identifying the right burial ceremonies. I rarely was made evident to me that Turkiye was a muslin Country back in the 1990s.
I have no love or hate for Isreal and would like them to have 98.8% of the middle east in 30 years time.
On the subject of the thread the definition of Antisemitism is extremely wide and probably deliberately so. It is not UK law but advisory. A judge would have a free reign to take the advice or ignore it depending on who is on trial.
The current Labour Government is particularity pro Isreal. |
The last paragraph is pure madness
This Labour government has no moral compass at all | |
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| South Wales police step back from imposing so-called blasphemy law on 22:20 - Jun 17 with 716 views | majorraglan |
| South Wales police step back from imposing so-called blasphemy law on 16:10 - Jun 13 by AnotherJohn |
When I wrote “inspired”, I was thinking more in terms of the general spirit of Senedd policy, which I felt might influence South Wales Police. However, although policing is a reserved matter, I have seen it argued that there is a “jagged edge” between devolved and reserved responsibilities, leading to a distinctive Welsh policing context even though formal control remains with Westminster. I believe the Welsh legislative framework regulating certain responsibilities of public bodies would still apply to the four “territorial police forces" in Wales. Relevant here would be the Public Sector Equality Duty brought in by section 149 of the Equality Act, 2010 and the way this is applied in the Principality. Wales has gone further than England with regulations (The Equality Act 2010 (Statutory Duties) (Wales) Regulations 2011) that impose additional duties on Welsh public bodies to operationalise equity. These duties include carrying out equality impact assessments for all major policies and assessing effects on groups with protected characteristics. I would hypothesize that the guidance to log "anti-Islam hostility" would need to be compliant with those regulations. Probably we would need a public law specialist to advise whether this is correct.
Edit: A bit of checking suggests that the above is correct. The Welsh specific equality duties do apply to police forces in Wales, because police forces are listed authorities under Schedule 19 of the Equality Act 2010, and the Welsh Regulations apply to all such listed authorities operating in Wales. [Post edited 13 Jun 17:18]
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So, there is no direct evidence that the Senedd are responsible for South Wales Police taking the action that they did. None of the other 3 Welsh forces have done what SWP did. | | | |
| South Wales police step back from imposing so-called blasphemy law on 03:35 - Jun 18 with 657 views | AnotherJohn |
| South Wales police step back from imposing so-called blasphemy law on 22:20 - Jun 17 by majorraglan |
So, there is no direct evidence that the Senedd are responsible for South Wales Police taking the action that they did. None of the other 3 Welsh forces have done what SWP did. |
You’re rather grasping at straws to retrieve an argument that didn’t work aren't you? "Inspired " does not mean mandated. Your suggestion that the logging policy might have come from the Westminster Government seems a stretch to me. As I explained, the Senedd has laid down a regulation that requires public bodies, including the four police forces, to do more than corresponding bodies in England in the equality field, but leaves forces discretion to decide the details of DEI polices. Other Welsh police forces appear to have responded to the push to meet the Welsh version of the public sector equality duty in different ways from SWP. Dyfed-Powys Police were in the news recently when a woman was reported for a NCHI after her transgender child complained to teachers that she was not using their new name, and this was one of the cases that seems to have led NCHI reporting to be discontinued.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news
I hope my earlier post will have helped forum readers understand that although oversight of policing is a reserved matter, some areas of regulatory authority remain in the hands of the Senedd, so that policing does have a distinctively Welsh aspect.. | | | |
| South Wales police step back from imposing so-called blasphemy law on 07:22 - Jun 18 with 635 views | majorraglan |
I am not grasping. I am fully familiar with the requirements of the Equality Act and have I also have an extensive professional knowledge of its application within the criminal justice system. You were wrong to lay this at the door of the a Senedd - end of.
Im done on this subject. | | | |
| South Wales police step back from imposing so-called blasphemy law on 19:10 - Jun 18 with 558 views | AnotherJohn |
| South Wales police step back from imposing so-called blasphemy law on 07:22 - Jun 18 by majorraglan |
I am not grasping. I am fully familiar with the requirements of the Equality Act and have I also have an extensive professional knowledge of its application within the criminal justice system. You were wrong to lay this at the door of the a Senedd - end of.
Im done on this subject. |
I am done too but you displayed a simplistic understanding of the devolution settlement and the "jagged edge". Suggesting that policing is a protected matter with no caveats was naive. Broad-brush comments are all very well but it is the detail about the steps in the argument that is lacking in your posts.. I also have a professional position. The discussion is out there for interested forum readers to reflect upon. There is a literature beyond what you or I may say. | | | |
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| South Wales police step back from imposing so-called blasphemy law on 20:40 - Jun 18 with 535 views | onehunglow |
| South Wales police step back from imposing so-called blasphemy law on 20:37 - Jun 15 by JACKMANANDBOY |
There's me thinking Jews were getting murdered and maimed in the UK. |
Their own fault mun
They’re killing children in Gaza
Land grabbers
Think that’s it | |
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| South Wales police step back from imposing so-called blasphemy law on 18:20 - Jun 20 with 425 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| South Wales police step back from imposing so-called blasphemy law on 20:40 - Jun 18 by onehunglow |
Their own fault mun
They’re killing children in Gaza
Land grabbers
Think that’s it |
You probably have broken the spirit of the law several times on this thread alone . A judge would have to decide if you are speaking rhetorically ( if that is the right gut word). As a family man and ex copper I reckon his interpretation would be kind on you, unless you rub him up the wrong way. | |
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