| Prison early release 09:04 - Aug 4 with 6341 views | onehunglow |
I see PC Harpers killers will be released early even after Andy reviewed it
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| Prison early release on 23:28 - Aug 10 with 1587 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Prison early release on 22:21 - Aug 10 by raynor94 |
The pressure has obviously got to Andy he's now ordered Norris to find a solution to keep the 2 scumbags behind bars |
It feels like Burnham's desire to be a man of the people will create problems fur him. There are going to be other that look undeserving of early release.. |  |
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| Prison early release on 08:31 - Aug 11 with 1481 views | Boundy |
| Prison early release on 23:28 - Aug 10 by JACKMANANDBOY |
It feels like Burnham's desire to be a man of the people will create problems fur him. There are going to be other that look undeserving of early release.. |
Can anyone explain why there is a "problem" in not releasing them earlier than their original release date. | |
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| Prison early release on 08:51 - Aug 11 with 1465 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Prison early release on 08:31 - Aug 11 by Boundy |
Can anyone explain why there is a "problem" in not releasing them earlier than their original release date. |
The issue that Burnham has to work with is treating people equally under the law, so in the PC's case all those convicted of manslaughter need to be treated equally.
Burnham says that prison overcrowding is the " problem " at hand. | |
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| Prison early release on 08:56 - Aug 11 with 1462 views | onehunglow |
| Prison early release on 08:51 - Aug 11 by JACKMANANDBOY |
The issue that Burnham has to work with is treating people equally under the law, so in the PC's case all those convicted of manslaughter need to be treated equally.
Burnham says that prison overcrowding is the " problem " at hand. |
The more laws the more corrupt is a country
Human Rights apply to victims as well as perps
Prisoners like these have up any rights | |
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| Prison early release on 09:18 - Aug 11 with 1451 views | Boundy |
| Prison early release on 08:51 - Aug 11 by JACKMANANDBOY |
The issue that Burnham has to work with is treating people equally under the law, so in the PC's case all those convicted of manslaughter need to be treated equally.
Burnham says that prison overcrowding is the " problem " at hand. |
So does that mean all serving time for manslaughter will be released ( if they've served x amount of their sentence) ? not sure why everyone should be treated equally in this case considering they showed no remorse or empathy . | |
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| Prison early release on 09:31 - Aug 11 with 1437 views | onehunglow |
| Prison early release on 09:18 - Aug 11 by Boundy |
So does that mean all serving time for manslaughter will be released ( if they've served x amount of their sentence) ? not sure why everyone should be treated equally in this case considering they showed no remorse or empathy . |
Would be interesting to see what a lip reader say about what they were shouting as they got into that van
They deserve a lifetime of pain
We keep repeated ourselves or at least me but this country has still not grasped it
Them or us
Prisoners welfare is an oxymoron in some ways
Many care for their welfare
Many look for Jesus as a release
Never before have we need capital deterrent
It is immoral we do not have it | |
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| Prison early release on 09:39 - Aug 11 with 1432 views | union_jack |
| Prison early release on 09:18 - Aug 11 by Boundy |
So does that mean all serving time for manslaughter will be released ( if they've served x amount of their sentence) ? not sure why everyone should be treated equally in this case considering they showed no remorse or empathy . |
You can’t approach it like that Boundy, it’s not how the law works. And don’t mistake this as me siding with these scumbags because it’s not.
No law exists at present that determines a different sentencing tariff if it involves the death of an emergency worker. Creating one now and rushing it through the houses could ensure these two serve their correct time (which still isn’t enough imo).
However, if they make an exception for these two then the law in its present situation would be seen as being unequal. How would those who have seen their loved ones killed in similar situations feel when theirs go free but the other two don’t. It has to apply to everyone in the situation equally.
Also, if you change the law now as suggested above, then it still is a kick in the teeth for those other people affected because their loved ones’ killers still walk free.
In truth, there should have been a law made many years ago that punishes offences against emergency workers more severely than others. If that were the case, this wouldn’t be an issue.
What we can’t do is apply the law through emotion. It has to be fair and equal despite it sticking in one’s craw at times like this. |  |
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| Prison early release on 09:49 - Aug 11 with 1422 views | onehunglow |
| Prison early release on 09:39 - Aug 11 by union_jack |
You can’t approach it like that Boundy, it’s not how the law works. And don’t mistake this as me siding with these scumbags because it’s not.
No law exists at present that determines a different sentencing tariff if it involves the death of an emergency worker. Creating one now and rushing it through the houses could ensure these two serve their correct time (which still isn’t enough imo).
However, if they make an exception for these two then the law in its present situation would be seen as being unequal. How would those who have seen their loved ones killed in similar situations feel when theirs go free but the other two don’t. It has to apply to everyone in the situation equally.
Also, if you change the law now as suggested above, then it still is a kick in the teeth for those other people affected because their loved ones’ killers still walk free.
In truth, there should have been a law made many years ago that punishes offences against emergency workers more severely than others. If that were the case, this wouldn’t be an issue.
What we can’t do is apply the law through emotion. It has to be fair and equal despite it sticking in one’s craw at times like this. |
But crime is emotional
These two stand out because of their utter contempt and lack of remorse
Laws can be changed and quickly too
The question is , do we have the balls to?
We don’t
Hence my use of the word “ coward”
This should be the Rubicon moment
If nothing else it shows how perverse is our “ justice” system
Anyway , I’m off out to drown a few puppies as I’ve gotten all mad again | |
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| Prison early release on 09:57 - Aug 11 with 1412 views | union_jack |
| Prison early release on 09:49 - Aug 11 by onehunglow |
But crime is emotional
These two stand out because of their utter contempt and lack of remorse
Laws can be changed and quickly too
The question is , do we have the balls to?
We don’t
Hence my use of the word “ coward”
This should be the Rubicon moment
If nothing else it shows how perverse is our “ justice” system
Anyway , I’m off out to drown a few puppies as I’ve gotten all mad again |
It is R, yes.
But we have to apply the law fairly and equally. It’s all very well isolating this issue so that PC Harper’s family and police officers are considered but what about the many others who will see it as a complete injustice as the perpetrators relating to their loved ones’ death are let free.
As I said, the law should have been made with this type of scenario in mind centuries ago not when we are faced with it like this. | |
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| Prison early release on 10:12 - Aug 11 with 1399 views | Boundy |
| Prison early release on 09:39 - Aug 11 by union_jack |
You can’t approach it like that Boundy, it’s not how the law works. And don’t mistake this as me siding with these scumbags because it’s not.
No law exists at present that determines a different sentencing tariff if it involves the death of an emergency worker. Creating one now and rushing it through the houses could ensure these two serve their correct time (which still isn’t enough imo).
However, if they make an exception for these two then the law in its present situation would be seen as being unequal. How would those who have seen their loved ones killed in similar situations feel when theirs go free but the other two don’t. It has to apply to everyone in the situation equally.
Also, if you change the law now as suggested above, then it still is a kick in the teeth for those other people affected because their loved ones’ killers still walk free.
In truth, there should have been a law made many years ago that punishes offences against emergency workers more severely than others. If that were the case, this wouldn’t be an issue.
What we can’t do is apply the law through emotion. It has to be fair and equal despite it sticking in one’s craw at times like this. |
Thanks for taking the time to explain , but doesn't sentencing also include whether the convicted has:
a. pleaded guilty or not guilty in the first instance,
b. shown contrition
c. proven that .My understanding is that sentencing follows guidelines but thats all they are and when has the politicians cared about what the public think whether its fair or not. To me we're on a slippery slope when we can't or unwilling to ensure justice is carried out and seen to be done. | |
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| Prison early release on 10:40 - Aug 11 with 1388 views | union_jack |
| Prison early release on 10:12 - Aug 11 by Boundy |
Thanks for taking the time to explain , but doesn't sentencing also include whether the convicted has:
a. pleaded guilty or not guilty in the first instance,
b. shown contrition
c. proven that .My understanding is that sentencing follows guidelines but thats all they are and when has the politicians cared about what the public think whether its fair or not. To me we're on a slippery slope when we can't or unwilling to ensure justice is carried out and seen to be done. |
This isn’t about the original sentence though. That may have been applied using the points you mention. It’s about the new arrangement to free up prison space. They can’t keep them there and let others go as it would be unfair on the families affected by the crimes. Those people would expect the same treatment as the family / friends of PC Harper with the law being as it is currently.
Personally, I’d have given them both a lethal injection as soon as those grins appeared on their faces but that’s not in the law as it stands either! | |
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| Prison early release on 12:25 - Aug 11 with 1338 views | onehunglow |
| Prison early release on 09:57 - Aug 11 by union_jack |
It is R, yes.
But we have to apply the law fairly and equally. It’s all very well isolating this issue so that PC Harper’s family and police officers are considered but what about the many others who will see it as a complete injustice as the perpetrators relating to their loved ones’ death are let free.
As I said, the law should have been made with this type of scenario in mind centuries ago not when we are faced with it like this. |
I agree matey really I do
I don’t believe anyone should get early release full stop
Do the time
This case however is visceral for the rats smirks
Every day victims are insulted by derisory sentences after being given spurious defences by legal “ chaps”
The Manchester airport legal aid bill was & 113000 to fund two dangerous lying scum that the police officers should have hospitalised rather than crying into a camera
Police nowadays are terrified of upsetting anyone , often the very people who need disposing of ( so to speak)
Luckily I served when you could defend yourself if you thought your life or safety was at risk
I’m still here, it works
Politicians and senior ranks have nurtured this and it’s why thugs feel free to do as they please | |
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| Prison early release on 12:38 - Aug 11 with 1334 views | onehunglow |
Just read they might not now be released
Now for the rest of killers of emergency workers [Post edited 11 Aug 12:40]
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| Prison early release on 11:59 - Aug 12 with 1191 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Prison early release on 12:38 - Aug 11 by onehunglow |
Just read they might not now be released
Now for the rest of killers of emergency workers [Post edited 11 Aug 12:40]
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They seem to be making an exception for these two because of the public outcry. Fair enough. But what about the other hundreds and hundreds of victims who have been murdered, raped, assaulted only to see their offenders walk free to potentially do it again?
It’s a kick in the balls for them that’s what it is. |  |
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| Prison early release on 12:04 - Aug 12 with 1187 views | onehunglow |
| Prison early release on 11:59 - Aug 12 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
They seem to be making an exception for these two because of the public outcry. Fair enough. But what about the other hundreds and hundreds of victims who have been murdered, raped, assaulted only to see their offenders walk free to potentially do it again?
It’s a kick in the balls for them that’s what it is. |
Agree
However if it brings matters to a head then ok by me
You are correct though
No early release
Jails full Fark them
When inside we are safer
Us or them | |
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| Prison early release on 12:08 - Aug 12 with 1181 views | angryjack |
| Prison early release on 15:18 - Aug 4 by Wingstandwood |
Absolutely sickening stuff, no wonder so many police left the proffesion last year!
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Never seen them so corrupt you should say..protectors dont make me laugh... | | | |
| Prison early release on 12:24 - Aug 12 with 1165 views | Luther27 |
| Prison early release on 11:59 - Aug 12 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
They seem to be making an exception for these two because of the public outcry. Fair enough. But what about the other hundreds and hundreds of victims who have been murdered, raped, assaulted only to see their offenders walk free to potentially do it again?
It’s a kick in the balls for them that’s what it is. |
It makes me wonder who’s left in prison and what the hell crimes they’ve committed if we are releasing rapists and murderers early | | | |
| Prison early release on 12:57 - Aug 12 with 1146 views | Boundy |
| Prison early release on 12:08 - Aug 12 by angryjack |
Never seen them so corrupt you should say..protectors dont make me laugh... |
They seem and I'm not one for normally knocking the police but they haven't helped themselves recently with the many cases of wrongful arrests, including arresting christian preachers ,the Henry Novak case ,the grooming games etc . | |
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| Prison early release on 13:40 - Aug 12 with 1118 views | onehunglow |
| Prison early release on 12:57 - Aug 12 by Boundy |
They seem and I'm not one for normally knocking the police but they haven't helped themselves recently with the many cases of wrongful arrests, including arresting christian preachers ,the Henry Novak case ,the grooming games etc . |
The police has indeed not helped itself
What it should have voted for , years ago, was the right to strike
The Service is making politically nuanced decisions
Morale is very low
Few officers implicitly trust their colleagues
Anyone thinking they “”look after themselves” is deluded | |
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