| The Establishment 22:27 - May 26 with 1516 views | onehunglow | Shouldn't we have one. If not,do we not have anarchy I see one party followers already stating Tory voters not welcome in their TOWN. Is this what no establishment means Revolution then anarchy |  |
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| The Establishment on 22:44 - May 26 with 1151 views | britferry | I thought they left and set up another Swans forum? |  |
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| The Establishment on 01:07 - May 27 with 1125 views | jack_lord | Could you please write the OP again in some kind of legible form :) |  |
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| The Establishment on 06:16 - May 27 with 1087 views | Kilkennyjack | Citizens not subjects. Any state that still has kings and queens has a lot of growing up to do. Monarchy should have ended the day Diana died. Too many questions. |  |
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| The Establishment on 08:27 - May 27 with 1082 views | onehunglow |
| The Establishment on 01:07 - May 27 by jack_lord | Could you please write the OP again in some kind of legible form :) |
Read it again then have a think. Even the Irish have an establishment;all countries do. It is a misused and misunderstood term. |  |
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| The Establishment on 18:03 - May 27 with 1045 views | Catullus | Whoever is in charge, they are the establishment. That will always be the case unless there is anarchy but even if we all went tribal again, someone would end up in charge of whichever group so they would then be.... |  |
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| The Establishment on 18:10 - May 27 with 1043 views | onehunglow |
| The Establishment on 18:03 - May 27 by Catullus | Whoever is in charge, they are the establishment. That will always be the case unless there is anarchy but even if we all went tribal again, someone would end up in charge of whichever group so they would then be.... |
Simple really Cat,isn't it. My point is that the term is used as a pejorative . Establishment is a dirty word,one that rebels like killy can rail against. All rather dumb |  |
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| The Establishment on 18:18 - May 27 with 1036 views | Catullus |
| The Establishment on 18:10 - May 27 by onehunglow | Simple really Cat,isn't it. My point is that the term is used as a pejorative . Establishment is a dirty word,one that rebels like killy can rail against. All rather dumb |
There's lots of pejoratives, the establishment, tories, grass, snitch and many more, they get wheeled out by people who aren't happy with whoever. Or in the case of grass it's usually scumbags who want to paint a decent person bad for going to the police. Tory is the dirtiest word in parts of Wales, those people caught upin the past, who treat anybody who is right wing as a bad person, often despite the evidence. I try not to throw names around but sometimes you just have to call a duck a duck! |  |
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| The Establishment on 18:20 - May 27 with 1034 views | onehunglow |
| The Establishment on 18:18 - May 27 by Catullus | There's lots of pejoratives, the establishment, tories, grass, snitch and many more, they get wheeled out by people who aren't happy with whoever. Or in the case of grass it's usually scumbags who want to paint a decent person bad for going to the police. Tory is the dirtiest word in parts of Wales, those people caught upin the past, who treat anybody who is right wing as a bad person, often despite the evidence. I try not to throw names around but sometimes you just have to call a duck a duck! |
Tory is normally prefixed by vile ,posh or suffixed by scum. Privileged is a cracker though. Kid wheeled off to boarding school to be abused when hardly out of nappies,then home to a minimum waged Romanian nanny. Privileged they aint |  |
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| The Establishment on 05:39 - May 29 with 961 views | Kilkennyjack | Here is an examole for you OHL. Johnson has taken £200,000 in benefits. Johnson appoints a Tory mate to investigate. Tory mate says Johnson is fine and good to go. The QC above is saying the judgement is clearly flawed. This is the Establishment looking after Johnson. And Johnson recently told the HoC the he paid for it himself. A lie. We all know £200,000 is given for favour. Johnson did not declare it. Said he he did not know till he read it in the paper. So who ordered it, quoted for it, agreed to go ahead, and signed off the job ? Unless they sneaked in, did the job, sent bill to somebody else, and somebody else paid it. Nobody spends £250,000 without knowing who pays for it. This the Eton Establishment looking after each other. If you are not concerned then you should be. Our PM put himself in a position where he owes favours. He did not declare it cos he thought he would get away with it. Not fit to be PM. |  |
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| The Establishment on 08:01 - May 29 with 943 views | felixstowe_jack |
| The Establishment on 05:39 - May 29 by Kilkennyjack | Here is an examole for you OHL. Johnson has taken £200,000 in benefits. Johnson appoints a Tory mate to investigate. Tory mate says Johnson is fine and good to go. The QC above is saying the judgement is clearly flawed. This is the Establishment looking after Johnson. And Johnson recently told the HoC the he paid for it himself. A lie. We all know £200,000 is given for favour. Johnson did not declare it. Said he he did not know till he read it in the paper. So who ordered it, quoted for it, agreed to go ahead, and signed off the job ? Unless they sneaked in, did the job, sent bill to somebody else, and somebody else paid it. Nobody spends £250,000 without knowing who pays for it. This the Eton Establishment looking after each other. If you are not concerned then you should be. Our PM put himself in a position where he owes favours. He did not declare it cos he thought he would get away with it. Not fit to be PM. |
Johnson cleared of the Labour muck raking Wall paper scandal. Perhaps Starmer can concentrate on the Labour Party and their lack of any policies. |  |
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| The Establishment on 08:05 - May 29 with 928 views | controversial_jack | The establishment is just a term for the established order. Bring in another system, ie, communism or fascism, and that order changes.Is that what we want? |  | |  |
| The Establishment on 09:17 - May 29 with 902 views | Kilkennyjack |
| The Establishment on 08:01 - May 29 by felixstowe_jack | Johnson cleared of the Labour muck raking Wall paper scandal. Perhaps Starmer can concentrate on the Labour Party and their lack of any policies. |
Starmer should call for Johnson to resign every morning until he does. Starmer not doing his job for me. If 50,000 to 60,000 deaths are not enough, then what number is enough ? |  |
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| The Establishment on 09:23 - May 29 with 901 views | Kilkennyjack | It sounds a pretty dull excuse to me ... |  |
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| The Establishment on 10:20 - May 29 with 889 views | felixstowe_jack |
| The Establishment on 09:17 - May 29 by Kilkennyjack | Starmer should call for Johnson to resign every morning until he does. Starmer not doing his job for me. If 50,000 to 60,000 deaths are not enough, then what number is enough ? |
Nearly 8000 deaths in Wales which has a higher death rate than England despite a much lower population density and only 3% BAME population compared to England's 13%. The Bame population was hardest hit which makes Wales high death rate even more unexplained. Drakeford should go rather than sacking Vaughan guessing as health minister. |  |
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| The Establishment on 10:48 - May 29 with 872 views | Kilkennyjack |
| The Establishment on 05:39 - May 29 by Kilkennyjack | Here is an examole for you OHL. Johnson has taken £200,000 in benefits. Johnson appoints a Tory mate to investigate. Tory mate says Johnson is fine and good to go. The QC above is saying the judgement is clearly flawed. This is the Establishment looking after Johnson. And Johnson recently told the HoC the he paid for it himself. A lie. We all know £200,000 is given for favour. Johnson did not declare it. Said he he did not know till he read it in the paper. So who ordered it, quoted for it, agreed to go ahead, and signed off the job ? Unless they sneaked in, did the job, sent bill to somebody else, and somebody else paid it. Nobody spends £250,000 without knowing who pays for it. This the Eton Establishment looking after each other. If you are not concerned then you should be. Our PM put himself in a position where he owes favours. He did not declare it cos he thought he would get away with it. Not fit to be PM. |
This guy did the investigatiom for Johnson .. The Establishment alive and kicking. Broken Britain. |  |
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| The Establishment on 11:25 - May 29 with 872 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| The Establishment on 10:48 - May 29 by Kilkennyjack | This guy did the investigatiom for Johnson .. The Establishment alive and kicking. Broken Britain. |
Is that the same "Establishment" that exonerated Tony (wmd/Iraq war) Blair, by any chance? |  | |  |
| The Establishment on 13:31 - May 29 with 857 views | Catullus |
| The Establishment on 11:25 - May 29 by A_Fans_Dad | Is that the same "Establishment" that exonerated Tony (wmd/Iraq war) Blair, by any chance? |
Left wingers likeKilly always just claim Blair was a tory in red clothing. It's part of their tunnel vision, any despicable politician must be right wing see. They don't get that ALL politicians are as bad as each other. |  |
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| The Establishment on 14:17 - May 29 with 846 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| The Establishment on 13:31 - May 29 by Catullus | Left wingers likeKilly always just claim Blair was a tory in red clothing. It's part of their tunnel vision, any despicable politician must be right wing see. They don't get that ALL politicians are as bad as each other. |
Actually I also think Blair was more Tory than Labour, but the establishment was Labour. |  | |  |
| The Establishment on 15:36 - May 29 with 817 views | Catullus |
| The Establishment on 14:17 - May 29 by A_Fans_Dad | Actually I also think Blair was more Tory than Labour, but the establishment was Labour. |
Yes but the establishment isn't just the elected politicians, there's the civil service too and no matter who is voted in, the civil service remains largely the same. |  |
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| The Establishment on 17:14 - May 29 with 789 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| The Establishment on 15:36 - May 29 by Catullus | Yes but the establishment isn't just the elected politicians, there's the civil service too and no matter who is voted in, the civil service remains largely the same. |
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| The Establishment on 21:11 - May 29 with 747 views | Kilkennyjack |
| The Establishment on 13:31 - May 29 by Catullus | Left wingers likeKilly always just claim Blair was a tory in red clothing. It's part of their tunnel vision, any despicable politician must be right wing see. They don't get that ALL politicians are as bad as each other. |
No i dont. |  |
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| The Establishment on 10:06 - May 30 with 695 views | onehunglow | Monarchy Oxbridge Landowners There ya go. |  |
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| The Establishment on 11:31 - May 30 with 666 views | controversial_jack |
| The Establishment on 10:20 - May 29 by felixstowe_jack | Nearly 8000 deaths in Wales which has a higher death rate than England despite a much lower population density and only 3% BAME population compared to England's 13%. The Bame population was hardest hit which makes Wales high death rate even more unexplained. Drakeford should go rather than sacking Vaughan guessing as health minister. |
5,569 deaths in Wales, which is lower than the UK average. a mortality rate lower |  | |  |
| The Establishment on 20:53 - May 30 with 597 views | Catullus |
| The Establishment on 11:31 - May 30 by controversial_jack | 5,569 deaths in Wales, which is lower than the UK average. a mortality rate lower |
The Welsh news reported total covid deaths as over 7000 several weeks back. Scroll down this and you'll see covid deaths in Wales reported as 7,880 at the 14th May. That would relate to over 167,000 deaths in the whole Uk if the rates were the same. Natinally though covid deaths are now put at 128,000. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk- |  |
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